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Unionized Wal-Mart to Close

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posted on Feb, 13 2005 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by PistolPete

USAir is one of the biggest employers in Pittsburgh - for now. They're teetering on the brink. Partially due to poor upper management, partially to do with 9-11, and partially to do with an overbearing union. In spite of the fact Pittsburgh is going to lose it's "hub" status, and the company very well may close, the union is still stands pat on some issues that could help save their jobs. #ty benefits are better than being unemployed in a job market saturated with your former co-workers.


I actually had US Air in mind when I wrote that, Pete. I'm in Winston-Salem, NC, so am seeing their downslide from this end. A bad job that doesn't pay that well, or doesn't have the best conditions is still much better than having no job.




posted on Feb, 13 2005 @ 08:46 AM
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Weyburn & Prince Albert Saskatchewan Canada are also in the process of unionizing their Walmart Stores. This will only lead to the stores be closed down and in comes a Zellers, K-mart, or Target. The Tommy Doulgas socialistic mentality needs to be wiped out because human nature will & always does abuse the system.
Many of my closest friends work for SaskPower which is unionized. They make Homer Simpson look like hard working go - getter of the year. How can you justify paying someone 30 dollars an hour to push a broom? My buddies watch T.V. play x-box & play station, play cards, poker & crib during work. They only work 4 days a week, they are allowed automatic sick days which they can bank if not used and cashed in later for paid vacations. They get triple overtime when working holidays, full medical, dental, & optical benifits. It's just ridiculous. Some poor guy is out working on an oil rig actually working in 40 degrees below Celsius not including wind chill for 10-12 buck an hour while some sandwich maker who's been at the power plant is making 35-40 bucks an hour who is inside in a warm heated / air conditions cafeteria.
Unions are why all the manufacturing & industry jobs are going over seas to third world countries.



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 11:37 AM
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lets ban unions- we ban everything else around!

i too have had no GOOD experiences with unions - they kill the economy and the American work ethic. Which has largely disintigrated. geeze. almost any foriegener works harder now-a-days and you hear the Americans complain that their jobs are going to them. boohoohoo. perhaps if the unionized folks actually WORKED Americans could retain jobs and things would be produced here instead of going overseas.



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by launchpad

Not if the union is causeing the store to lose money- no law on the books requiring a store to stay open when losing money- please read the article. If nothing else they would stay open long enough (1 month) for the union to have formed and the accountants can show that they lost money- well then fine for the doors to close.

i would REALLY like to see a link to the "free overtime" - no such thing corporate wide if this ever occurs anywhere it is individual mangers abusing their authority. single occurances at individual stores does not make a corporation wide policy.



No-Pay Overtime

"They wanted us to do a lot of work for no pay," said Ms. Richardson, who worked from 1995 to 2000 at a Wal-Mart in southeast Kansas City. "A company that makes billions of dollars doesn't have to do that."

Biggest Cilvil Rights Case in History

The UFCW appears to have little relevance for Wal-Mart's workers, many of whom are using the courts to fight for their rights. They have filed dozens of lawsuits for unpaid overtime work, sex and racial discrimination and being forced to "work off the clock."



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 09:52 AM
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ok first off read your own links - i did. Once again someone who does a quick overview and jumps to uneducated conclusions. geese gimme a break

" she did not clock back in" sounds like laziness on her part on first perview but that maynot be the whole picture.

" Wal-Mart's policies forbid such work. " so as a company Walmart is against it - the paragraph goes on to say "some managers . . . . " like i said much earlier in this thread ======>it is the fault of (get this) "some managers . . . ." NOT WALMART. like duh.


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"Wal-Mart officials insist that the off-the-clock phenomenon is minimal considering that the company has 3,250 stores and a million employees in the United States. The officials say the company, based in Bentonville, Ark., has a strong policy against such work, a policy that is spelled out in the handbook distributed to every employee.

"Off-the-clock work is an infrequent and isolated problem, which we correct whenever we become aware of it," said William Wertz, a Wal-Mart spokesman. "It is Wal-Mart's policy to pay its employees properly for the hours they work."

Mr. Wertz said managers who required or requested off-the-clock work were subject to disciplinary action, including dismissal."
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i've been in countless Walmarts across this nation- how many employees do you see diligently working? or standing around chatting? my answer is the majority piss away the day dorking around and find themsleves behind at the end of the shift- Walmart along with an hourly wage expects somethings to be done (duh- i would too if they worked for me) so the employee gets paid for being present even when they are not working- then clock out leaving a job undone- manager comes along and says "finish your tasks"- employee too lazy to clock back in tries to "slap something together" but finds it takes longer than expected - in retrospect wants to blame Walmart for working extra time.

the suits are sure seem to be everyone jumping on the bandwagon- after all it IS the American way to sue someone for "nada" to avoid having to work.


i stick with what i have been saying all along



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 10:03 AM
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Unions are a thing of the past. They made sense 60 years ago when there were few regulations governing how employee's were treated.

But today Unions are a waste and cause more trouble than they are worth. Law governs employee rights and safety today. Todays standards for employee welfare is boderline excessive in some cases due to all the litigation and media attention. Employee's have never been so protected.

Unions need to go away. The only thing a Union does is sap money away from the employees and the employer with few or no benifits of any kind.

As much as I hate WalMart, I am happy they closed this store. The cost of the union was so great they coundnt operate. How does that help the people who worked there? They are unemployed now. GO UNION!

Unions should be outlawed.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 10:58 AM
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Unions serve a purpose in the right situations. However, any situation involving unskilled labor in the US or canada does not warrant a union. Labor laws are adequate for protecting those employees from the interests of the corporation.
On the other hand, when you are talking about skilled and professional positions, unions can be a great aid in making a fair workplace. To give an example, I work in retail, but I am a store manager. If you think companies take advantage of unskilled workers, you ought to get aquainted with how they take advantage of their management teams. Thye do this because there is little threat of their management teams forming a union, and if they did, well, it would just be time for a new team. Contracts at the time of hire are such that you are required to work any number of hours the company demands with little (or in the case of my current employer, no) compensation. During the holiday season, I was the lowest paid employee per hour in my store.
The only hope for better work conditions are improved labor laws, which, historically, have come about because of unions. California is a good example of how unions can affect labor laws for the good. So while I don't think unskilled laborers in walmart should have a union, I don't think they are a bad institution in the proper setting.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 11:13 AM
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Wal-Mart is the one's putting the managers in place, hence, it is their fault.

To say a worker is too 'lazy' to punch in for overtime is just plain moronic. No-one should have to scuttle around, off the clock, to do anything. If they are too slow to get their work done within the alotted time schedule, then you get rid of them. If it was Unionized, that employee would be written up, and a grievance filed. After 3 grievances, then they are out.

Wal-Mart is saying it is just a 'minority' of stores. This is Wal-marts figure. This figure is not including the 1000's who don't complain about it. Or of the 1000's of illegals that Wal-Mart had working for them, and just got busted for. They exploited these people, having them work seven days a week, for months at a time, knowing they would have nowhere to go to complain about it. In a unionized shop, this would never have happened.

peace




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