Illuminati Defector "Tells All"

Originally posted by FreeMason
I find it pretty stupid of you Dragonrider to tell me I speak of that which I do not know, when concerning Haarp, which is something you have NO CLUE of either.

Reading a bunch of theories and purported "Uses" of haarp, does not mean you are right, or even near accurate.

Haarp probably is little more than a weather research facility studying the annomalies of the Auroras and the like.

Actual manipulation of weather paterns, and targeted weaponry using magnetics, is far beyond our real capabilities, sadly though our minds run far ahead of reality.

....so, did you learn this version of HAARP while you were flying over Area 51?

A little research may just show you that the study of auroras is the furthest from the goals of HAARP.
Just observing?
ion.le.ac.uk...

A simple Google search will provide plenty of information if you don't want to bother with the links DR has provided.

-B.

Originally posted by Banshee
Remain skeptical, but at least take the time to read the information provided before you disregard a theory.

Mind control is covered in the seismic thread, as is scalar weaponry.

-B.

I looked at the thread, I read the first several pages and the last several pages. If there were something in there on mind control or death beams, I missed it. If there is any real proof of those applications beyond speculation, maybe they deserve their own thread.

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix

Originally posted by Seekerof

Any thoughts?

Yes.

At least, the Illuminatis have rights on one point. The basic human is a poor sheep who don't use ( or don't want to use ) his/her brain.

But as they stand up for Satan and not God, I can't agree with them. And when God will come back at home, those " powerfull and rich " peoples will be in deep troubles.

Let's hope these Illuminatis theorys are just BS and not facts.Otherwise, what a chaos it will be.

It is not BS. It is funny that all this is generally covered in the Revalation to John in the Bible concerning the Apostasy that is to come- all these nasty things will become common place in the near future.

We can't assume that a mindset that covets so much power can in any way be of the Good.

Magic can be a very dangerous thing in an innocents hand, let alone in one who willingly gives themselves over to Evil...Satan has had a plan to turn Man away from his purpose since the begining and these happenings are a fulfillment thereof.

How did this thread suddenly turn into a HAARP one?

Doesn't HAARP have its own threads?

is there a tie between haarp and illuminati's?

Originally posted by Outlaw
is there a tie between haarp and illuminati's?

Yes.

Nikola Tesla, who is the great grandfather of HAARP had early interaction with the Cabal (Edison, the Rockefellers, ect). This is where I found the name "Cabal" as it was mentioned in Teslas writings, to describe the Illuminati, as well as "The Dark Empire" or "The Evil Empire".

After Teslas death, many of his notes and other technical information vanished. It was very clear to the the Cabal just how valueable Teslas technology was, it was quietly spirited away, later to come to light in the 1940s and 50s.

Today, HAARP represents the quintessential secret weapon for the Cabal. For centuries, the key to the power of the Cabal has been to influence international politics, finances, and public sentiment from behind the scenes, and essentially make the public think that they wanted to do what the Cabal really wanted them to do.

With HAARP, this is vastly simplified, and simply shocking the population into submission without fear or uprising or rebellion is within thier grasp.

Originally posted by dragonrider
Mycroft, please read all the links I posted to you. There is a mountain of information there. Also, here are a few more...

Well, I've read the links and the only conclusion I can come to is that you're just not very picky about your sources of information. If there is something there, it's been lost among the dreck.

First, the article by Preston Nichols and Peter Moon...Susan DaRe is obviously suffering paranoid delusions, and the authors of that article are just feeding them. Do you really think HAARP could project a beam with such accuracy as to follow a moving car? If the motive of this attack is that her brother will inherit her half of the family business, why doesn't she just sell her half or designate someone else in her will? Don't you think there are easier, less expensive and faster ways to kill a person?

Chemtrails...pictures of contrails and cloud formations are not impressive. If you expect me to believe someone is releasing barium into the ionisphere (which doesn't even makes sense, planes don't fly that high) I'd want to see a spectral analysis, or some other proof. If it really is all that pervaisive, shouldn't we be able to detect the barium in ground samples?

The article by Time Rifat:

... Further to this, the British Army has long experience of using microwaves for murder and mind control in Northern Ireland. In 1977, the CIA contacted Margaret Thatcher and gave her all the details, elf frequencies, to induce cancer, paranoia (4.5 Hz), depression (6.66 Hz), manic rage (11.3 Hz) --- .

Cancer maybe, but paranoia, depression and manic rage? The British government wants to rule this population, using secret mind control technology to incite them to violence would produce the exact opposite of what they want. They want docile happy subjects, not revolutionary violent ones.

And the skywatch article...linking HAARP activity to gunmen attacking a church?! C'mon! There is always violence somewhere. This is not science.

The U.S. Air Force itself claims that "The potential applications of artificial electromagnetic fields are wide-ranging and can be used in many military or quasi-military situations... Some of these potential uses include dealing with terrorist groups, crowd control, controlling breaches of security at military installations, and antipersonnel techniques in tactical warfare. In all of these cases the electromagnetic systems would be used to produce mild to severe physiological disruption or perceptual distortion or disorientation. In addition, the ability of individuals to function could be degraded to such a point that they would be combat ineffective.

"Another advantage of electromagnetic systems is that they can provide coverage over large areas with a single system. They are silent and countermeasures to them may be difficult to develop... One last area where electromagnetic radiation may prove of some value is in enhancing abilities of individuals for anomalous phenomena."

Existing evidence also indicates that exposure to environmental level 50 - 60 Hz EMFs (electro-magnetic-fields) may be an immune system stressor with the potential to cause hormone disruption and changes at a cellular level. Therefore, EMF exposure should be evaluated as a potential risk factor for people suffering from disorders with the common feature of unexplained chronic fatigue. CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME (CFS) is a general label used to describe a debilitating illness, the cause of which is still unknown. CFS is also referred to as CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome), CEBV (Chronic Epstein-Barr Virus) and ME (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis), as well as several other designations.

In a paper linking Chronic Fatigue Syndrome to prolonged exposure to Electromagnetic fields, published in August, 1999, the authors stated; "The evidence we have so far reviewed would suggest a link between EMFs and calcium levels, melatonin levels, protein kinase and ODC activity. Thus it is not unreasonable to conclude that CFS, which may be an indicator of metabolic disruption, is partly a manifestation of exposure to low level EMFs.

"As an indicator of the possibility that exposure to low level 50 - 60 Hz EMFs may play a role in chronic fatigue / immune system dysfunction, we must look for evidence that human exposure to these fields may cause changes at a cellular level, such as hormone disruption and calcium ion efflux, which may have the potential to adversely impact on the immune system." - NCRP DRAFT REPORT GUIDELINES (1995)

The biological effects of EMFs were examined in great detail by an expert committee of the US National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements (NCRP), a congressionally chartered organisation which was contracted by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in 1983 to conduct a review of the biological effects of ELF(extremely-low-frequency) EMFs.

Work was discontinued in 1986 due to funding cuts at the EPA, but resumed in 1991. In early 1995 the draft of the 800-page NCRP report was leaked to the New York based publication Microwave News, which published the report's findings in August 1995. The final report was supposed to be publicly available in early 1996, but has received such intense industry opposition to its findings that its final outcome remains uncertain. The Committee's membership was described by chairman Dr. Ross Adey as "carefully selected to cover the great majority of societal interests on this scientific problem, including power industry engineers, epidemiologists, public health specialists as well as molecular and cellular biologists".

During the Gulf War, electromagnetic waves such as ELF and HAARP were used for tracking maneuvers and other breakman trials (studies conducted to primarily assess weaponry, but not the effects on humans), both in the United States and the Gulf. These waves affect every aspect of the human brain from Neuroendocrine-Immunological to thought processes to body metabolism, and in general, encompass every symptom of Gulf War Syndrome.

Recently, unusual auroral patterns, disparity in the migratory habits of some animals and earthquake readings which coincide with transmissions from the HAARP facility have lent some credence to environmental concerns. For instance, Dr Elizabeth Rauscher, whose field is high-energy physics, has pointed to the possibility of catalytic reactions in the ionosphere as a consequence of this activity. Another physicist, Dr Daniel Winter, states that the high-frequency transmissions from HAARP could interact with the natural ELFpulses of the biosphere to cause unexpected side effects.

www.echoedvoices.org...

Originally posted by dragonrider
The U.S. Air Force itself claims that "The potential applications of artificial electromagnetic fields are wide-ranging and can be used in many military or quasi-military situations...

Dragonrider,

I'm still not convinced that HAARP is everything you claim, but clearly it's something more than just a communications enhancer. I also think you are extraordinarily non-selective in your sources of information.

I did, however find a document you may be interested in. The University at Maxwell Air Force Base prepared a report designed to discuss technologies of the future, their impact on military capabilities, and potential applications and tactics. It makes for fascinating reading, and this future speculation gives clues on technologies being worked on today.

www.maxwell.af.mil...

It's a large document, but there are sections dealing with weather control and ionospheric manipulation.

Originally posted by Netchicken
Yep, being a mormon and in the military means that your gullibility quotent is very high and are suseptable to taking orders without complaint or questioning.

You would make an excelent foot soldier for the Illuminati.

Originally posted by AgentBlueBook
I'm a mormon and in the military, have a standing invitiation to join FREEMASONRY if I wished to, does that make me a potential candidate to become an ILLUMINIST???

LMAO!

while reading this article I just realized something. People always say that they hate the government and it sucks and whatever but its really not the government that is bad its the people in the government. The government is a good system its just the people we should hate

does that make sense?

This is the kind of stuff anybody finds when searching the Illumaniti - A person, either raised in a Illuninist cult, or a programmer somehow manages to escape the satanic fiends, and is now devoted to breaking all of us out of our complacent shells and rid us of our blindness and assisting others that have escaped.

Do you really think a group as "evil" as the Illumaniti allow one person who's escaped to survive? And can you really belive that the Illumaniti would not only let them live, but spread this information about them. Hitler didn't. Saddam didn't. Why should I belive that the Illumaniti themselves would. Unless it's misinformation, then I'd belive it, and that would make most of what we know about them a lie.

from the site:

It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates.

Uh...what? And may be the local branch of the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan will accept blacks.

also from the site

It controls the world traffic in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution

Ever notice that these three things are what most of the population of the US can't stand. Damn whores and smack, mudding up our nice lives...

again from the site

Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his Administration are Illuminists, and suggests that much of the world "elite" may be engaged in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy.

OK, the Bush thing I can belive, but the Homosexual thing...thats another story. If Nazi Germany was an earlier attempt at a NWO, then we can also assume that Hitler was a piece of that puzzle. Homosexuals were the first ones ordered killed in many cases - few people would object, just like today. Why the sudden change in methodology on this subject?

Although some of the things on the site sounded feasible, we've got to take these things not with a grain of salt, but with the entire damn block. To me, it didn't pass the test.

One more thing, ever notice that the Illumaniti is considered a satanist group...is it really because they are, or is it something more? Think about it. The United States is Christian for the most part. It'd be so much easier if they'd follow Pat Robertson's example and act like a good little christian, it's given him enormous wealth and control. Personally I think there's more to the Illumaniti than a satanistic group. Remember, religious symbology is a powerful thing...

1% of the popalation is in on this?

Lets see a seceret that only about 3 million people know of

I have never see three people keep a seceret much less 3 million

Originally posted by JuanBond
This is the kind of stuff anybody finds when searching the Illumaniti - A person, either raised in a Illuninist cult, or a programmer somehow manages to escape the satanic fiends, and is now devoted to breaking all of us out of our complacent shells and rid us of our blindness and assisting others that have escaped.

Do you really think a group as "evil" as the Illumaniti allow one person who's escaped to survive? And can you really belive that the Illumaniti would not only let them live, but spread this information about them. Hitler didn't. Saddam didn't. Why should I belive that the Illumaniti themselves would. Unless it's misinformation, then I'd belive it, and that would make most of what we know about them a lie.

from the site:

It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates.

Uh...what? And may be the local branch of the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan will accept blacks.

also from the site

It controls the world traffic in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution

Ever notice that these three things are what most of the population of the US can't stand. Damn whores and smack, mudding up our nice lives...

again from the site

Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his Administration are Illuminists, and suggests that much of the world "elite" may be engaged in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy.

OK, the Bush thing I can belive

, but the Homosexual thing...thats another story. If Nazi Germany was an earlier attempt at a NWO, then we can also assume that Hitler was a piece of that puzzle. Homosexuals were the first ones ordered killed in many cases - few people would object, just like today. Why the sudden change in methodology on this subject?

Although some of the things on the site sounded feasible, we've got to take these things not with a grain of salt, but with the entire damn block. To me, it didn't pass the test.

One more thing, ever notice that the Illumaniti is considered a satanist group...is it really because they are, or is it something more? Think about it. The United States is Christian for the most part. It'd be so much easier if they'd follow Pat Robertson's example and act like a good little christian, it's given him enormous wealth and control. Personally I think there's more to the Illumaniti than a satanistic group. Remember, religious symbology is a powerful thing...

I must agree...but once you slap on your hip waders and wander throguh the crap, I'm sure that a few bits of flotsam and jetsam are BOUND to be true.

I wandered through this, and I'd like to point out a few things as well-

1. As set up by this Svali person, the organization is highly, highly unstable. even with all thsi betrayal, no man is an island. sub-cabals would form, yet there is no mention of this.

2. Not only is this degrading on morale, it is also frighteningly counterproductive. There are much, much easier ways to train killers from birth, and there are much better ways of maintaining control over a group.

3. I'm surprised that there are any surviviors of thsi group whatsoever. This 'dog eat dog' mentality would ensure that, at some point, someone would jsut gas/explode hundred of rivals, which is notoriously hard to hide.

Just my first thoughts.

DE

Hitler was indeed a pawn for the Zionists.

Some say he was decieved by a 'Tibetan Black Magician' into practicing the dark arts himself. "The man with the green gloves" or something like that.

I love how they say they dont give their name to protect them, but they basically give away their entire job profile, so they are easy to find

"Svali" is the pseudonym of a woman, age 45, who was a mind "programmer" for the cult until 1996. She was the sixth head trainer in the San Diego branch and had 30 trainers reporting to her"

Hmm, how many 45 year old women in San Diego do they have working there that fit that profile, or used to work there?

Originally posted by Seekerof

Any thoughts?

Rehash of some frequently disproved things.

Remember the claim that 1% of the population is involved in this Satanic cult. That would mean that 1 out of 100 people you see in the grocery store or meet in school or work with is involved in this. And they're ALL being closed-mouthed about being involved in Satanic ritual abuse and being abused?

That's a boatload of people. With 6,000,000,000 (six billion) people alive on the face of the planet, that would mean that there's 6,000,000 (six million) people "involved in the conspiracy."

And they've all been ritually abused and indocrinated and only a handfull of them show up to complain?

No. That's not believable. There's fewer people in the Mafia (who do a lot of things that the supposed Illuminati do) and there's all sorts of evidence for the Mafia.

The "secret bases" have been discounted again and again (remember the numerous research threads here that found these known bases didn't exist?)

The 'financial collapse/martial law' scenario has been around for years. Martial law has been declared in a lot of places -- and even was during our last great crisis (9/11)... and guess what? Nobody took over the US during that timeframe.

Culturally and historically, the "long line of Illuminati/Secret Mystic teachings" is just plain bogus. The REAL teachings of those ancient civilizations are somehow never mentioned in this "Secret Mystic Teachings." If you do some real document research (libraries and so forth) you will find that these things don't actually exist.

And that a lot ofthis material has a starting point in history... and it's within the last 40 years. Some elements (the Catholic Conspiracy Rumors) date back 400 years but mos of it is very modern.

And these people really have no idea of just how strong and weak the relative national military strengths are. Heck... read a few issues of Jane's Defense Weekly and you'll see just how bogus some of that information is.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
The Illluminati shouldn't have Headquarters with an address.

It is a gathering of ideas and minds.

It is all around you.

So we are Illuminati?

If shes telling the truth about the Masonic Temple in Alexandria, I guess I'm screwed, I live less than 5 minutes from it.

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by Seekerof

Any thoughts?

Rehash of some frequently disproved things.

Remember the claim that 1% of the population is involved in this Satanic cult. That would mean that 1 out of 100 people you see in the grocery store or meet in school or work with is involved in this. And they're ALL being closed-mouthed about being involved in Satanic ritual abuse and being abused?

That's a boatload of people. With 6,000,000,000 (six billion) people alive on the face of the planet, that would mean that there's 6,000,000 (six million) people "involved in the conspiracy."

And they've all been ritually abused and indocrinated and only a handfull of them show up to complain?

No. That's not believable. There's fewer people in the Mafia (who do a lot of things that the supposed Illuminati do) and there's all sorts of evidence for the Mafia.

The "secret bases" have been discounted again and again (remember the numerous research threads here that found these known bases didn't exist?)

The 'financial collapse/martial law' scenario has been around for years. Martial law has been declared in a lot of places -- and even was during our last great crisis (9/11)... and guess what? Nobody took over the US during that timeframe.

Culturally and historically, the "long line of Illuminati/Secret Mystic teachings" is just plain bogus. The REAL teachings of those ancient civilizations are somehow never mentioned in this "Secret Mystic Teachings." If you do some real document research (libraries and so forth) you will find that these things don't actually exist.

And that a lot ofthis material has a starting point in history... and it's within the last 40 years. Some elements (the Catholic Conspiracy Rumors) date back 400 years but mos of it is very modern.

And these people really have no idea of just how strong and weak the relative national military strengths are. Heck... read a few issues of Jane's Defense Weekly and you'll see just how bogus some of that information is.

Ok, lets play devils advocate.. Suppose what are saying is right, and none if this is true, great, wonderful, I dont want a secret society such as this to take over, unless Im a part of it of course. But lets say for an instant that it is all true, and you say to read in the libraries and read the magazines to debunk that all this is false. If this society is as powerful as they claim to be, and control as much as they claim, dont you think they would cover everything up? The mafia, as you compared it to, do not have governments in their pocket, they just have some police in their pocket, so of course they are not going to be as noticed. If there is any cases again them, of course they are going to be wiped for any record. Just a few thoughts I guess.