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reply posted on 3-8-2003 @ 03:07 AM by Mycroft
Originally posted by dragonrider
Mycroft, please read all the links I posted to you. There is a mountain of information there. Also, here are a few more...


Well, I've read the links and the only conclusion I can come to is that you're just not very picky about your sources of information. If there is something there, it's been lost among the dreck.

First, the article by Preston Nichols and Peter Moon...Susan DaRe is obviously suffering paranoid delusions, and the authors of that article are just feeding them. Do you really think HAARP could project a beam with such accuracy as to follow a moving car? If the motive of this attack is that her brother will inherit her half of the family business, why doesn't she just sell her half or designate someone else in her will? Don't you think there are easier, less expensive and faster ways to kill a person?

Chemtrails...pictures of contrails and cloud formations are not impressive. If you expect me to believe someone is releasing barium into the ionisphere (which doesn't even makes sense, planes don't fly that high) I'd want to see a spectral analysis, or some other proof. If it really is all that pervaisive, shouldn't we be able to detect the barium in ground samples?

The article by Time Rifat:

... Further to this, the British Army has long experience of using microwaves for murder and mind control in Northern Ireland. In 1977, the CIA contacted Margaret Thatcher and gave her all the details, elf frequencies, to induce cancer, paranoia (4.5 Hz), depression (6.66 Hz), manic rage (11.3 Hz) --- .


Cancer maybe, but paranoia, depression and manic rage? The British government wants to rule this population, using secret mind control technology to incite them to violence would produce the exact opposite of what they want. They want docile happy subjects, not revolutionary violent ones.

And the skywatch article...linking HAARP activity to gunmen attacking a church?! C'mon! There is always violence somewhere. This is not science.


reply posted on 3-8-2003 @ 06:56 PM by dragonrider
The U.S. Air Force itself claims that "The potential applications of artificial electromagnetic fields are wide-ranging and can be used in many military or quasi-military situations... Some of these potential uses include dealing with terrorist groups, crowd control, controlling breaches of security at military installations, and antipersonnel techniques in tactical warfare. In all of these cases the electromagnetic systems would be used to produce mild to severe physiological disruption or perceptual distortion or disorientation. In addition, the ability of individuals to function could be degraded to such a point that they would be combat ineffective.

"Another advantage of electromagnetic systems is that they can provide coverage over large areas with a single system. They are silent and countermeasures to them may be difficult to develop... One last area where electromagnetic radiation may prove of some value is in enhancing abilities of individuals for anomalous phenomena."

Existing evidence also indicates that exposure to environmental level 50 - 60 Hz EMFs (electro-magnetic-fields) may be an immune system stressor with the potential to cause hormone disruption and changes at a cellular level. Therefore, EMF exposure should be evaluated as a potential risk factor for people suffering from disorders with the common feature of unexplained chronic fatigue. CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME (CFS) is a general label used to describe a debilitating illness, the cause of which is still unknown. CFS is also referred to as CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome), CEBV (Chronic Epstein-Barr Virus) and ME (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis), as well as several other designations.

In a paper linking Chronic Fatigue Syndrome to prolonged exposure to Electromagnetic fields, published in August, 1999, the authors stated; "The evidence we have so far reviewed would suggest a link between EMFs and calcium levels, melatonin levels, protein kinase and ODC activity. Thus it is not unreasonable to conclude that CFS, which may be an indicator of metabolic disruption, is partly a manifestation of exposure to low level EMFs.

"As an indicator of the possibility that exposure to low level 50 - 60 Hz EMFs may play a role in chronic fatigue / immune system dysfunction, we must look for evidence that human exposure to these fields may cause changes at a cellular level, such as hormone disruption and calcium ion efflux, which may have the potential to adversely impact on the immune system." - NCRP DRAFT REPORT GUIDELINES (1995)

The biological effects of EMFs were examined in great detail by an expert committee of the US National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements (NCRP), a congressionally chartered organisation which was contracted by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in 1983 to conduct a review of the biological effects of ELF(extremely-low-frequency) EMFs.

Work was discontinued in 1986 due to funding cuts at the EPA, but resumed in 1991. In early 1995 the draft of the 800-page NCRP report was leaked to the New York based publication Microwave News, which published the report's findings in August 1995. The final report was supposed to be publicly available in early 1996, but has received such intense industry opposition to its findings that its final outcome remains uncertain. The Committee's membership was described by chairman Dr. Ross Adey as "carefully selected to cover the great majority of societal interests on this scientific problem, including power industry engineers, epidemiologists, public health specialists as well as molecular and cellular biologists".

During the Gulf War, electromagnetic waves such as ELF and HAARP were used for tracking maneuvers and other breakman trials (studies conducted to primarily assess weaponry, but not the effects on humans), both in the United States and the Gulf. These waves affect every aspect of the human brain from Neuroendocrine-Immunological to thought processes to body metabolism, and in general, encompass every symptom of Gulf War Syndrome.

Recently, unusual auroral patterns, disparity in the migratory habits of some animals and earthquake readings which coincide with transmissions from the HAARP facility have lent some credence to environmental concerns. For instance, Dr Elizabeth Rauscher, whose field is high-energy physics, has pointed to the possibility of catalytic reactions in the ionosphere as a consequence of this activity. Another physicist, Dr Daniel Winter, states that the high-frequency transmissions from HAARP could interact with the natural ELFpulses of the biosphere to cause unexpected side effects.

www.echoedvoices.org...



reply posted on 26-1-2004 @ 10:29 PM by JuanBond
This is the kind of stuff anybody finds when searching the Illumaniti - A person, either raised in a Illuninist cult, or a programmer somehow manages to escape the satanic fiends, and is now devoted to breaking all of us out of our complacent shells and rid us of our blindness and assisting others that have escaped.

Do you really think a group as "evil" as the Illumaniti allow one person who's escaped to survive? And can you really belive that the Illumaniti would not only let them live, but spread this information about them. Hitler didn't. Saddam didn't. Why should I belive that the Illumaniti themselves would. Unless it's misinformation, then I'd belive it, and that would make most of what we know about them a lie.

from the site:

It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates.

Uh...what? And may be the local branch of the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan will accept blacks.

also from the site

It controls the world traffic in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution

Ever notice that these three things are what most of the population of the US can't stand. Damn whores and smack, mudding up our nice lives...

again from the site

Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his Administration are Illuminists, and suggests that much of the world "elite" may be engaged in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy.

OK, the Bush thing I can belive, but the Homosexual thing...thats another story. If Nazi Germany was an earlier attempt at a NWO, then we can also assume that Hitler was a piece of that puzzle. Homosexuals were the first ones ordered killed in many cases - few people would object, just like today. Why the sudden change in methodology on this subject?

Although some of the things on the site sounded feasible, we've got to take these things not with a grain of salt, but with the entire damn block. To me, it didn't pass the test.

One more thing, ever notice that the Illumaniti is considered a satanist group...is it really because they are, or is it something more? Think about it. The United States is Christian for the most part. It'd be so much easier if they'd follow Pat Robertson's example and act like a good little christian, it's given him enormous wealth and control. Personally I think there's more to the Illumaniti than a satanistic group. Remember, religious symbology is a powerful thing...


reply posted on 27-1-2004 @ 02:05 AM by DeusEx
Originally posted by JuanBond
This is the kind of stuff anybody finds when searching the Illumaniti - A person, either raised in a Illuninist cult, or a programmer somehow manages to escape the satanic fiends, and is now devoted to breaking all of us out of our complacent shells and rid us of our blindness and assisting others that have escaped.

Do you really think a group as "evil" as the Illumaniti allow one person who's escaped to survive? And can you really belive that the Illumaniti would not only let them live, but spread this information about them. Hitler didn't. Saddam didn't. Why should I belive that the Illumaniti themselves would. Unless it's misinformation, then I'd belive it, and that would make most of what we know about them a lie.

from the site:

It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates.

Uh...what? And may be the local branch of the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan will accept blacks.

also from the site

It controls the world traffic in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution

Ever notice that these three things are what most of the population of the US can't stand. Damn whores and smack, mudding up our nice lives...

again from the site

Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his Administration are Illuminists, and suggests that much of the world "elite" may be engaged in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy.

OK, the Bush thing I can belive, but the Homosexual thing...thats another story. If Nazi Germany was an earlier attempt at a NWO, then we can also assume that Hitler was a piece of that puzzle. Homosexuals were the first ones ordered killed in many cases - few people would object, just like today. Why the sudden change in methodology on this subject?

Although some of the things on the site sounded feasible, we've got to take these things not with a grain of salt, but with the entire damn block. To me, it didn't pass the test.

One more thing, ever notice that the Illumaniti is considered a satanist group...is it really because they are, or is it something more? Think about it. The United States is Christian for the most part. It'd be so much easier if they'd follow Pat Robertson's example and act like a good little christian, it's given him enormous wealth and control. Personally I think there's more to the Illumaniti than a satanistic group. Remember, religious symbology is a powerful thing...


I must agree...but once you slap on your hip waders and wander throguh the crap, I'm sure that a few bits of flotsam and jetsam are BOUND to be true.

I wandered through this, and I'd like to point out a few things as well-

1. As set up by this Svali person, the organization is highly, highly unstable. even with all thsi betrayal, no man is an island. sub-cabals would form, yet there is no mention of this.

2. Not only is this degrading on morale, it is also frighteningly counterproductive. There are much, much easier ways to train killers from birth, and there are much better ways of maintaining control over a group.

3. I'm surprised that there are any surviviors of thsi group whatsoever. This 'dog eat dog' mentality would ensure that, at some point, someone would jsut gas/explode hundred of rivals, which is notoriously hard to hide.

Just my first thoughts.

DE


reply posted on 31-1-2004 @ 10:58 AM by Byrd
Originally posted by Seekerof

Any thoughts?


Rehash of some frequently disproved things.

Remember the claim that 1% of the population is involved in this Satanic cult. That would mean that 1 out of 100 people you see in the grocery store or meet in school or work with is involved in this. And they're ALL being closed-mouthed about being involved in Satanic ritual abuse and being abused?

That's a boatload of people. With 6,000,000,000 (six billion) people alive on the face of the planet, that would mean that there's 6,000,000 (six million) people "involved in the conspiracy."

And they've all been ritually abused and indocrinated and only a handfull of them show up to complain?

No. That's not believable. There's fewer people in the Mafia (who do a lot of things that the supposed Illuminati do) and there's all sorts of evidence for the Mafia.

The "secret bases" have been discounted again and again (remember the numerous research threads here that found these known bases didn't exist?)

The 'financial collapse/martial law' scenario has been around for years. Martial law has been declared in a lot of places -- and even was during our last great crisis (9/11)... and guess what? Nobody took over the US during that timeframe.

Culturally and historically, the "long line of Illuminati/Secret Mystic teachings" is just plain bogus. The REAL teachings of those ancient civilizations are somehow never mentioned in this "Secret Mystic Teachings." If you do some real document research (libraries and so forth) you will find that these things don't actually exist.

And that a lot ofthis material has a starting point in history... and it's within the last 40 years. Some elements (the Catholic Conspiracy Rumors) date back 400 years but mos of it is very modern.

And these people really have no idea of just how strong and weak the relative national military strengths are. Heck... read a few issues of Jane's Defense Weekly and you'll see just how bogus some of that information is.


reply posted on 31-1-2004 @ 11:44 AM by Malkavin
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by Seekerof

Any thoughts?


Rehash of some frequently disproved things.

Remember the claim that 1% of the population is involved in this Satanic cult. That would mean that 1 out of 100 people you see in the grocery store or meet in school or work with is involved in this. And they're ALL being closed-mouthed about being involved in Satanic ritual abuse and being abused?

That's a boatload of people. With 6,000,000,000 (six billion) people alive on the face of the planet, that would mean that there's 6,000,000 (six million) people "involved in the conspiracy."

And they've all been ritually abused and indocrinated and only a handfull of them show up to complain?

No. That's not believable. There's fewer people in the Mafia (who do a lot of things that the supposed Illuminati do) and there's all sorts of evidence for the Mafia.

The "secret bases" have been discounted again and again (remember the numerous research threads here that found these known bases didn't exist?)

The 'financial collapse/martial law' scenario has been around for years. Martial law has been declared in a lot of places -- and even was during our last great crisis (9/11)... and guess what? Nobody took over the US during that timeframe.

Culturally and historically, the "long line of Illuminati/Secret Mystic teachings" is just plain bogus. The REAL teachings of those ancient civilizations are somehow never mentioned in this "Secret Mystic Teachings." If you do some real document research (libraries and so forth) you will find that these things don't actually exist.

And that a lot ofthis material has a starting point in history... and it's within the last 40 years. Some elements (the Catholic Conspiracy Rumors) date back 400 years but mos of it is very modern.

And these people really have no idea of just how strong and weak the relative national military strengths are. Heck... read a few issues of Jane's Defense Weekly and you'll see just how bogus some of that information is.


Ok, lets play devils advocate.. Suppose what are saying is right, and none if this is true, great, wonderful, I dont want a secret society such as this to take over, unless Im a part of it of course. But lets say for an instant that it is all true, and you say to read in the libraries and read the magazines to debunk that all this is false. If this society is as powerful as they claim to be, and control as much as they claim, dont you think they would cover everything up? The mafia, as you compared it to, do not have governments in their pocket, they just have some police in their pocket, so of course they are not going to be as noticed. If there is any cases again them, of course they are going to be wiped for any record. Just a few thoughts I guess.
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