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reply posted on 16-7-2003 @ 11:28 PM by MKULTRA
I don't think its learned helplessness, that is there the person refuses to do anything to change their circumstances even though its in their power. It would result in pasivity rather than action.

This is more classical conditioning, with a punishment structure built in instead of a reward structure. Eventually the punishment is removed as the person learns to obey for the reward of praise.


Hey Netchicken, sorry for not getting back to this issue sooner!!! Ok. Once you've conditioned passivity (the more traumatic, the better-- LH would fit that very well), you have basically re-set the organism's behavioral "baseline rate of responding": they simply stop refusing or doing anything. That's where I think the traumatic condition ends.

You can easily then condition anything you want them to emit (emotionally & behaviorally), with no resistance-- they've already unlearned resistance.

This advanced "higher order" conditioning process, in order to be most effective, must occur over a long period of time and with multiple trials. I agree with you, the Classical Conditioning paradigm that you describe (quite well!) would suit such a need.

Time is not the greatest requirement, because the person's memory, emotions, and environment are all being controlled by that point.

I think my point regarding Learned Helplessness was that it is probably the best (i.e. fastest & more effective) way to administer the initial traumatic reaction. It is by far not the only element to the person's conditioning process.

For one person to come up with this extremely detailed defector's story, they would need to have a facility with behavioral conditioning principles and some experience with trauma psychology. Either that, or this description is actually the truth That's where I'm at right now with it.


[Edited on 17-7-2003 by MKULTRA]


reply posted on 30-7-2003 @ 06:10 PM by Netchicken
3) Ah Mycroft, I did



reply posted on 31-7-2003 @ 12:29 AM by Mycroft
Originally posted by Netchicken
3) Ah Mycroft, I did


You're right, Netchicken. I failed to give credit where credit is due. You and others have expressed scepticism, but even in doing so this writer gets too much credit.

Originally posted by CoLD aNGeR
Pretty intersenting, a bit disturbed, but there is truth enough on that, anyway do not forget those are the smarter people on earth, i do not think they will leave somebody from them alive, after this, i think is a bit disinfo as well, but it says a lot of logical stuff that i can´t deny.
Keep up the good work mate!


What's logical about it? Svali would have us believe that the Illuminati, a super-elite organization that secretly rules the world has created a system where the "elite" suffer all kinds of abuse.

C'mon! People that make rules make rules that favor themselves. That's human nature. We're supposed to believe that they purposfully set up a system where their own kids get tortured and sold into child porn and prostitution just for money? Does that make any sense?

On top of that, the Illuminati who's members include Rockefellers and Rosthchilds is so hard up for money they need to put their own children into prostitution? Tell me they're proffiting from prostitution, I can believe that, but being the prostitutes themselves? Absurd.

Originally posted by MKULTRA

Everything that she said can pretty much be supported by David Icke's writings. The facts as both people present them are consistent.


Yeah, but consistent of what?

Originally posted by MKULTRA

Assassin Training
Svali: "Here is how it is done (how it was done to me):

[1] When the child is 2 years old, place them in a metal cage with electrodes attached. Shock the child severely.

[2] Take the child out, and place a kitten in its hands. Tell the child to wring the kitten's neck. The child will cry and refuse...

...This torture scheme is capitalizing on something that is known in psychological literature as a general principle of conditioning theory: Learned Helplessness.



Yeah, you can really mess someone up this way, but can you produce a world leader? A trusted conspirator? Are you serously suggesting the people that secretly rule our lives have been conditioned to "learned helplessness"?!

These techniques will not produce a world leader, or even a reliable foot soldier. It will produce a sociopath that will have a hard time completing high school and staying out of jail or a mental hospital.

Originally posted by dragonrider

A very good question.

Keep in mind, the only reason the Cabal has control is because they are able to keep the population snowed as to the truth about "the man behind the curtain". Thier greatest fear is an armed uprising of the general population.


If they're so secret, how is it that you know what their greatest fear is?

Originally posted by dragonriderTo this point the Cabal has had control over the general public to the greatest extent possible without tipping off the public and risking such an uprising. However, that is about to change with the advent of new psychotronic technology, such as we have been tracking from HAARP.


HAARP? Is that this HAARP?

www.haarp.alaska.edu...


reply posted on 31-7-2003 @ 12:51 AM by dragonrider
Actually HAARP would be this...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The U of Alaska web site is where they turned the pilot station over to a university to give it legitimacy as a "research project".

THIS is the REAL HAARP..

Dr. Kanavy noted the "large amount of data, both animal experimental and human clinical, to support the existence of chronic, non-thermal effects." These effects include behavioral aberrations, neural network perturbations, fetal (embryonic) tissue damage (inducing birth defects), cataractogenesis (cataracts), altered blood chemistry, metabolic changes and suppression of the endocrine and immune systems. There were also cases of sudden and unexplained mutations in frogs and wildlife in the radiation paths of ELF installations. It was only a matter of time before the public outcry would prohibit ELF transmitters.

www.viewzone.com...

There's been speculation about electromagnetic pulse weapons being used to jam communications in Kosovo since March 24. This has included theories about pulsing both hemispheres (east and west) simultaneously. If this is true, it is not showing up in earthquake patterns. The HAARP testing, however, affected the pattern immediately.

In addition to a volcanic eruption in India preceding the 6.8 quake, Mt Cameroon in Africa erupted March 29. I am certain other volcanic eruptions will follow but the information comes in slowly. The Taal volcano in Indonesia is high on the "most likely to erupt" list, along with Mts Popo and Vulcan del Fuego in Mexico.

MARCH 28 - THE DAY AFTER HAARP
HIGH-FREQUENCY ACTIVE AURORAL RESEARCH PROJECT (HAARP)
Testing On March 26 & 27

Following is a spread of earthquakes greater-than-4 magnitude for the day after HAARP testing. It is scattered from the expected pattern with a number of quakes in a circle of northern latitudes, between 50N and 85N. The original HAARP installation is in Alaska within this band. Generally, I find patterns in earthquakes that correspond with predictions made with the TimeStar grid.

www.seizethemagic.com...

Enter HAARP. The assumed notion that the project known as HAARP (High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) is descended from Tesla's work, is something of an absurdity with reference to Tesla's previous affirmation. Since the HAARP Project's exclusive purpose relies on the existence and function of the ionosphere, and has nothing to do with the grounded circuits of Tesla — it is clearly NOT Tesla technology. This really should have been quite obvious to any researcher or author if they had simply read any of Tesla's work concerning his wireless — even without the bold statements of this 1919 article, but, alas, due the popularity of Tesla, and the recently published books and videos about HAARP, this bogus association between Tesla and HAARP has become "matter of fact" to the misled and uninformed.

Why would these authors writing about the HAARP Project make such gross mistakes — mistakes which destroy the credibility of any other statements they have made concerning the technology? One might suggest that because these people are journalists and movie makers, and not radio technicians or electrical engineers, that we are supposed to forgive their glaring errors. But a good journalist is expected to present the truth as clearly and as disinterested as is possible. And, a good (ethical) journalist would not overlook the facts, in favor of a sensational presentation. Most of the associations today concerning Tesla and sinister military technologies come from later statements made by Tesla — long after his direct involvement in experiment with wireless. Speculations and predictions by Tesla such as microwaves, TV, beam ray technologies (the Tesla Death Ray), cosmic-ray motors, interplanetary communications, and wave-interference devices (the "Tesla Howitzer" and the "Tesla Shield") have been given authority over the actual physical experiments by Tesla. Most of these conjectures were revealed by Tesla in his aging years at "birthday press conferences" as he was shut out by the daily media sometime after 1920. But, these are the statements that so capture the attentions of readers and viewers, and are the ones which the so-called "underground media" gleefully disseminate. Gloom and Doom is the status quo here, and while the truth may be stranger than fiction, it is apparently quite boring.

www.borderlands.com...

How do I know about the Cabal? I do my homework, thats how.


reply posted on 1-8-2003 @ 08:38 AM by dragonrider
When you say "psychotronic technology" do you mean HAARP is a mind control device? Or do you just mean it has an effect on minds?

And it's also a secret military weapon capable of bouncing death beams off the ionosphere, jamming enemy communications, and it's responsible for earthquakes and volcanic eruptions too?

Yes, that is exactly what I mean. Myself and numerous others have been tracking these exact affects of HAARP for about 4 months now. Please review this thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As we are about the only group online to complete this long of a study on HAARP and associated affects.


I find it hard to believe that if it did all that, that the military would turn it over to a university. Even if it is just a pilot model.

Its called disinformation and obfuscation. You give a small pilot project, possibly even something totally different from the main project, with its wings clipped so it cannot do what the main project is designed to do, and put it forth into the public light. People stop by and see that, and think that there is no danger... meanwhile at the other 4 HAARP facilities in the continental US, they are proceeding as normal.

Besides, my information does not just come from the web. I am an environmental geologist, working for the government, in close contact with the military environmental divisions. Several contacts have been to HAARP facilities for environmental projects, and they have shared that what is put forth to the public is in fact a cover story, and HAARP is FAR more dangerous than what you see on the U of Alaska website.


reply posted on 1-8-2003 @ 06:18 PM by dragonrider
Mycroft, please read all the links I posted to you. There is a mountain of information there. Also, here are a few more...

As we drove to her house after dinner, I began the electromagnetic study. I first tuned in to an 1080-MHz signal that I had been studying for a month. I noticed that when I got close to her car, the signal would appear. When she got well ahead of us, the signal would disappear. It was as if the transmitter for that signal was in her car. I knew this was not the case, because I'd been picking up this same signal all across the Northeast and it couldn't possibly have been transmitted from her car. There was no question that the 1080-MHz signal was being directed at Susan.

As soon as we arrived at her house, I began the electromagnetic survey at that location. I immediately found the 1080-MHz signal and also found the 435-MHz signal that routinely emanates from the vicinity of Montauk.* I also found a strong ELF (extra-low-frequency) broadcast that was as low as my equipment can pick up (about 50 to 400 kHz). I videotaped the entire display of different signals.

The Montauk signal at 435 MHz was particularly interesting because whenever I pick it up from Montauk, it is usually broken into pieces. If the pieces were put together, it would make up a signal like the one I was viewing in Maryland. As Susan moved in and out of the house, I noticed subtle changes in the scope pattern for the 435-MHz signal. I had her walk around, and wherever she would position herself, a subtle change would show up on the scope and be noticeable on the receivers as well. Next, I tuned back into the 1080-MHz signal and tried the same thing. I noticed that if she sat still in the car, the 1080-MHz signal faded out. If she moved around, it came back.

Susan then showed me a report by Dr. Peter Moscow. He is the president of the U.S. Psychotronics Association and is an excellent bioelectric magnetic researcher. He is involved with Wilhelm Reich's work and radionics, and I was already familiar with him. His report indicated that she had brain damage and had been exposed to aberrant electromagnetic fields such as ELF and VLF fields. I had definitely picked up the aberrant electromagnetic fields (the 435-MHz and the 1080-MHz signals).

www.wealth4freedom.com...

Precisely modulated microwave radiation is used to influence brain function. Human behaviour and reactions can be entirely controlled by using pulse modulated microwave EM radiation. Pulse modulated microwaves are useful as the carrier for the mind control signals as they are able to pass through the skull, which is rather resistant to low level EM.

www.bariumblues.com...

APPLICATION OF MILITARY FREQUENCY WEAPONRY

According to a 1982 Air Force review of biotechnology, ELF has a number of potential military uses, including "dealing with terrorist groups, crowd control, controlling breaches of security at military installations, and antipersonnel techniques in tactical warfare." The same report states:

"Electromagnetic systems would be used to produce mild to severe physiological disruption or perceptual dis- tortion or disorientation. They are silent, and counter- measures to them may be difficult to develop."

www.geocities.com...

The UK Government is now spending £2.5 million to fully implement a nation-wide deployment of CIA mind-control technology. The TETRA system pulses at 17.6 Hz broadcast at 400 MHz which is essentially the Pandora Project funded by the CIA in the late '60s and early '70s. Dr Ross Adey, the chief researcher on the Pandora Project has released a video to leading UK researchers which proves that not only does the TETRA system cause ELF zombification by massive release of calcium ions in the cerebral cortex and the nervous system, but the activated calcium ions also cause massive hormonal disturbances which lead to frenzied imbalances, emotional and physical states.

www.trunkerton.fsnet.co.uk...

Even more prominent among HAARP's unpublicized but thoroughly documented agendas than "mind/mood-control" and "psychological warfare" applications is that of WEATHER CONTROL.

Certain HAARP transmissions are FULLY capable of implementing MAJOR effects upon weather systems worldwide.

As was demonstrated by the great scientific genius Wilhelm Reich (SEVERELY persecuted by the United States' fascist government in the 1950s), some of the same electromagnetic frequencies and energies which impact weather conditions (termed "orgone" energy by Reich) ALSO have a dramatic effect upon emotional and psychological states of human beings (and other life forms).

HAARP has been designed and deployed ever since it's earliest days to be a "kill several birds with one stone"-type technology.

skywatch.iwarp.com...

These are just a handful of what is available regarding the potential psychotronic uses of HAARP.

In addition, there is known, documented instances of just how deadly HAARP can be even in non-intentional use: my military contacts spent over a year assigned to the HAARP project for environmental mitigation, and visited each HAARP facility in the US as well as the one in Pine Gap Australia... it seems that each HAARP facility has an odd problem with entire flocks of migratory birds (many of them endangered) falling out of the sky dead as they fly through the transmission pathway.

In addition in the 90s, a technical team was killed at the gakona facility (actually the facility further north, possible in Poker Flats) when the array was powered up to full output while the team was still on the premesis. (HAARP facilities are actually unmanned in operation, as the EM radiation will kill most all vertebrate life forms on the site. HAARP operations in Alaska are remotely controlled from a control center at Elmendorf AFB, or from DC) My contacts spent a good deal of time investigating this incident and finding a plausible justification for the deaths of these people.

FM, once again you speak of what you do not know... read the above, as well as the multitude of links already on this thread before you embarrass yourself again.
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