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Trump Rolls Back Obama’s Birth Control Coverage Rule

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posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: whywhynot

Yes it is.

I am being purposely pungent.

But there is absolute truth that people are lazy sometimes and all it takes is one magic night.

The fact it's easy to get birth control through your insurance has actually lowered abortions. There will be some percentage more increase if you take away the easyness of the system.

I personally don't care about anything but people lowering the strife they create having the decision before them to terminate a child. If it's 5 cents and there is viable proof it works it's ludicrous to not discuss it as a possible benefit to society whatever you believe.




posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 01:56 PM
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Bet they kept the Viagra handouts.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: luthier

Or perhaps I don't agree with said social contract and prefer any such contract to cover areas outside the control of an individual. For those areas that an individual can control, I prefer personal responsibility, not community responsibility.


Cool let's stop putting up traffic lights and guard rails I know how to drive..

Again your argument isn't logical

Your theory doesn't matter lazy people aren't having abortions. I will pay for it because it's real. Your make believe utopia doesn't exist.
edit on 6-10-2017 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth


But, you live in the UK! Maybe you should find another country, since you don't like their health insurance system!



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: UKTruth

Or perhaps you not sure where the self determination movement came from. ...


If you believe this discussion violates the principles of self-determination, then not only do you not know where it came from, you don't know what it is.


So your response is I know you are and what am I is all you have or have you ever read philosophy so you know where the words coming out of your mouth you think are so original came from?


No, my response remains the same.

I think it is a good thing that individuals pay for their own birth control
They (along with their partner) are responsible if they get pregnant.
They alone will be responsible for the decisions they make on abortion.

It's not hard to understand, and certainly does not require a discussion on self-determination or Calvinism


I so agree with you. Some would believe that they were just walking down the street and POW they were smitten with that terrible condition of pregnancy. It’s a choice people not a contagious disease. Pro-choicers let that choice sink in! You do it for fun & pleasure or to make a baby. Want to have fun, fine, but why should I pay for your fun. My fun is shooting, want to pay for my fun? I mean really.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: UKTruth

Or perhaps you not sure where the self determination movement came from. ...


If you believe this discussion violates the principles of self-determination, then not only do you not know where it came from, you don't know what it is.


So your response is I know you are and what am I is all you have or have you ever read philosophy so you know where the words coming out of your mouth you think are so original came from?


No, my response remains the same.

I think it is a good thing that individuals pay for their own birth control
They (along with their partner) are responsible if they get pregnant.
They alone will be responsible for the decisions they make on abortion.

It's not hard to understand, and certainly does not require a discussion on self-determination or Calvinism


I so agree with you. Some would believe that they were just walking down the street and POW they were smitten with that terrible condition of pregnancy. It’s a choice people not a contagious disease. Pro-choicers let that choice sink in! You do it for fun & pleasure or to make a baby. Want to have fun, fine, but why should I pay for your fun. My fun is shooting, want to pay for my fun? I mean really.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: intrepid
I can't afford insurance and obamacare didn't help that at all...
but what is "elective surgery"??
to me, it's surgery that really doesn't do much to promote the overall patient and which, might just pose unnecessary risk to the patient, like cosmetic surgery. yes, in some rare cases insurance will pay for cosmetic surgery, like for instance to repair a cleft palet..
does birth control promote the patients health?? I would say it does.
children that are spaced apart by a few years have a better chance of being born healthy, and the mothers are less apt to have complications both through the pregnancy as well as through the rest of their lives.
pregnancy draws alot of nutrients from the women's bodies and many women will be deficient in some of these nutrients for some time after giving birth. it's better to give the women a chance to build them back up before becoming pregnant again. deficiencies have been found to play a role in such birth defects as spina bifada.
also, is it healthy for adult men and women to have active sexual lives... I would say so.. which is why marriage has been such a big things in our history. sexual activity is a natural part of an adult human being. for them not to be can cause undue stress and anxiety in a marriage. again leading to unwanted side effects to one's health.

what I find myself asking is why should birth control not be treated in the same manner as any other preventative care that is included in our health insurance policies.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: whywhynot

Lol and the hypocrisy of pro lifers when a solution is found that lowers abortions.




posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth




Like i said - cover both areas. Ban abortions after 20 weeks (House has just passed the bill) AND make people pay for their own contraception.


When people pay their insurance premiums, they paying for their own contraception.


Not true.
The nature of insurance is that you don't pay for your own treatment - risk is supposed to be pooled and lower premiums are for avoiding the risk of higher costs
The lunacy of putting birth control into health insurance is that it's no longer about insuring against risk, it's paying for an ongoing consumption.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: intrepid
I can't afford insurance and obamacare didn't help that at all...
but what is "elective surgery"??
to me, it's surgery that really doesn't do much to promote the overall patient and which, might just pose unnecessary risk to the patient, like cosmetic surgery. yes, in some rare cases insurance will pay for cosmetic surgery, like for instance to repair a cleft palet..
does birth control promote the patients health?? I would say it does.
children that are spaced apart by a few years have a better chance of being born healthy, and the mothers are less apt to have complications both through the pregnancy as well as through the rest of their lives.
pregnancy draws alot of nutrients from the women's bodies and many women will be deficient in some of these nutrients for some time after giving birth. it's better to give the women a chance to build them back up before becoming pregnant again. deficiencies have been found to play a role in such birth defects as spina bifada.
also, is it healthy for adult men and women to have active sexual lives... I would say so.. which is why marriage has been such a big things in our history. sexual activity is a natural part of an adult human being. for them not to be can cause undue stress and anxiety in a marriage. again leading to unwanted side effects to one's health.

what I find myself asking is why should birth control not be treated in the same manner as any other preventative care that is included in our health insurance policies.

A thought for you is that if you can’t afford a dollar a day for birth control and/or you can’t afford health insurance perhaps you can’t afford to have a baby.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

I was referring to tubal ligation. That's mostly a choice. Hell they try to give them away up here with a caesarean. My daughter had her son 2 years ago this way and they were like, "Want us to tie your tubes while we're in there?" Wtf? I thought you guys had to pay for that.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: luthier

Well by God, if luthier doesn't have a problem with it, I guess there's no reason for us to discuss why anyone else might have a problem with it... the world, it doesn't revolve around any one man's opinion. It's why we have clauses in our laws that permit moral exemptions and conscientious objections.


I am just saying you aren't doing well holding up a moral philosophy unless you love Nietzsche


You keep following slave morality and I'll be over here with the masters then, I reckon.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: whywhynot

Lol and the hypocrisy of pro lifers when a solution is found that lowers abortions.



Asking for someone else to pay for your fun is hardly a solution.
The much better solution is to pay for it yourself.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Sure and I will wait for an actual rebuttal.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: whywhynot

Lol and the hypocrisy of pro lifers when a solution is found that lowers abortions.



Asking for someone else to pay for your fun is hardly a solution.
The much better solution is to pay for it yourself.


Again your morality doesn't matter. It's false.

The numbers and results matter.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: intrepid
I can't afford insurance and obamacare didn't help that at all...
but what is "elective surgery"??
to me, it's surgery that really doesn't do much to promote the overall patient and which, might just pose unnecessary risk to the patient, like cosmetic surgery. yes, in some rare cases insurance will pay for cosmetic surgery, like for instance to repair a cleft palet..
does birth control promote the patients health?? I would say it does.
children that are spaced apart by a few years have a better chance of being born healthy, and the mothers are less apt to have complications both through the pregnancy as well as through the rest of their lives.
pregnancy draws alot of nutrients from the women's bodies and many women will be deficient in some of these nutrients for some time after giving birth. it's better to give the women a chance to build them back up before becoming pregnant again. deficiencies have been found to play a role in such birth defects as spina bifada.
also, is it healthy for adult men and women to have active sexual lives... I would say so.. which is why marriage has been such a big things in our history. sexual activity is a natural part of an adult human being. for them not to be can cause undue stress and anxiety in a marriage. again leading to unwanted side effects to one's health.

what I find myself asking is why should birth control not be treated in the same manner as any other preventative care that is included in our health insurance policies.

A thought for you is that if you can’t afford a dollar a day for birth control and/or you can’t afford health insurance perhaps you can’t afford to have a baby.


You do realize tht's an oxymoron right? Or are you saying that people that are broke shouldn't have sex?



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: whywhynot

Lol and the hypocrisy of pro lifers when a solution is found that lowers abortions.



If you can’t afford a dollar a day to pay for birth control you can’t afford to have a baby. Have your fun on your own dime not mine. Be responsible.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: whywhynot


Sex is a necessary physical function. It can be fun, but it's crucial for bonding, mental health and physical wellbeing. Pregnancy is a physical condition, preventable with contraception. Contraception is preventative medication. It's continual, not something that takes place just before sex, like putting on a condom. A woman takes the pill every day. An IUD is always in, an implant is always working. Contraception is not a night at the movies and dinner at Olive Garden "fun".



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

we are talking about health insurance plans here!!! you buy a health insurance plan, it will cover a wide variety of things that it will cover. you might not use that plan all year, or you such might use this little item here or that little item here. you might not have any kids, but have coverage for those kids' vaccinations. you might not be so old you that you have to worry about nursing home care, you might have perfect eyesight and not use the vision section of the plan. you might be female and never have to worry about postrate cancer!!!
but still it's there, you use what you need to, you pay for the assurance that if you need the coverage that is contained, your healthcare will be covered. other people will have the same plan as you do, but different needs. the more needs that are covered, the bigger the pool of money, the better the chance is that you will actually be covered if you need some very expensive healthcare in the near future!!!
you aren't paying for someone's birth control, you are paying for the assurance you have that your needs will be covered!!



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

If your are broke there are any number of things that a responsible person would not do.




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