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Trump Rolls Back Obama’s Birth Control Coverage Rule

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posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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Kids?

It's been fun, but I have to catch a flight.

See y'all later!




posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Peace. Sorry for the assault. I do value your opinion though it probably didn't seem so



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: DBCowboy

If you eat lots of bacon and get cancer, you should pay for the treatment out of your own pocket. I don't want to pay for your bad choices.


THANK YOU!

FINALLY!

8whew*

(it took long enough)

This is the result of government care. This attitude. This intrusion.

Back in the day, if I did something, I paid for it. I owned it.

Now?

Everyone can get into everyone's private business because everyone pays for everyone else. This is what I absolutely detest about universal care.



That may be the case, but it is the reality we are living in. Universal birth control is the lesser evil economically and socially speaking.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

I couldn't agree more.

Though it seems it also has exposed it's more important to pass moral judgement on the parent than to save the unborn child.

If the free pill prevents abortions I fail to see how it's any different than wanting to ban.abortions.

The end result is the end result. Your either for the reduction of abortions or not.

If the moral judgement is the focus it's a false statement to be prolife. At the very least it's an abstract. Pro life ecept when the parent is irresponsible about birth control.

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posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: luthier

There is certainly a fair amount of cognitive dissonance that's for sure.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: luthier




If the free pill prevents abortions I fail to see how it's any different than wanting to ban.abortions.


You have a very myopic view. Yes, access to affordable birth control will result in less UNEXPECTED pregnancies, and therefore less UNWANTED pregnancies.

Contraception prevents pregnancy. You have to be pregnant first to need an abortion. You know what they say about "an ounce of prevention"? "It's worth a pound of cure". Abortion is a cure to a mostly preventable situation.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: windword

I have a myopic view? That sounds a bit like an ad hom.

Especially when taking my statement out of context of the entire dialogue.

There is no difference for the end result. If you want to take away birth control being free abortions will go up.

Saying it's all on the mom doesn't matter if the child gets aborted if you care about the unborn.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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I think that the pro-life is just that pro babies, babies every where!! pro big families with 10-step ladders for kids! need someone to shovel your driveway for you, no worries, there's a thousand hungry kids in just your neighborhood who will jump at the chance to do it for a mc donald's cheese burgers! need to feel good about yourself, no worries, just walk down the street where you will find lots of crippled children sitting around holding cups for you to drop your loose change into and feel that much needed pat on the back you just gave yourself for such a kind act!! everyone knows that large populations of desperate people increases church attendance, decreases wages, and gives everyone more people to look down on and feel superior over.

if they just don't have sex bit worked for women there wouldn't have been so many large families around when I was growing up!!!
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posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 11:46 AM
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I have a myopic view? That sounds a bit like an ad hom.


It's a polite observation, made after reading several of your posts. An "ad hom" would have been me calling you a derogatory name.



Especially when taking my statement out of context of the entire dialogue.

There is no difference for the end result. If you want to take away birth control being free abortions will go up.


No, you got caught up in the side show irony of evangelical pro-life Christians taking away access to affordable birth control, which will reap the result that they, supposedly, fear the most, more abortions. Or for the conservatives, more anchor and welfare babies sucking off the public tit. It's seems that they are self fulfilling they own nightmares.

This rule doesn't change the fact that under the ACA, insured women are guaranteed their policy will cover birth control, even though their employer will not. The employer's religious freedom to deny employees minimum health coverage will burden women with having to file for public assistance, to get the benefits that they're paying for in their insurance premiums, and burdening the tax payer who will have to pay for the extra bureaucratic red tape.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: luthier



I have a myopic view? That sounds a bit like an ad hom.


It's a polite observation, made after reading several of your posts. An "ad hom" would have been me calling you a derogatory name.



Especially when taking my statement out of context of the entire dialogue.

There is no difference for the end result. If you want to take away birth control being free abortions will go up.


No, you got caught up in the side show irony of evangelical pro-life Christians taking away access to affordable birth control, which will reap the result that they, supposedly, fear the most, more abortions. Or for the conservatives, more anchor and welfare babies sucking off the public tit. It's seems that they are self fulfilling they own nightmares.

This rule doesn't change the fact that under the ACA, insured women are guaranteed their policy will cover birth control, even though their employer will not. The employer's religious freedom to deny employees minimum health coverage will burden women with having to file for public assistance, to get the benefits that they're paying for in their insurance premiums, and burdening the tax payer who will have to pay for the extra bureaucratic red tape.



That was a very poor attempt of a logical argument.

You literally said nothing to discredit what I am saying.

You just decided to add the political aspect.

I chose moral philosophy. Hey I like kant and Spinoza though what can I say.
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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 08:02 AM
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I wonder if restricting BC and abortion is an attempt to remove more women from the work force and making those jobs available for men and reducing unemployment. Remember the woman's role is to be barefoot and pregnant. It is difficult to hold a job or a career when you have 8, 10 or more kids at home. Of course males have to be fathers and take responsibility for all those kids and they will need insurance too.

We all pay taxes to support schools and prisons. Where do you want your money to go? $35,000 a year for jail for adults or schooling, food and medical care for children? Raising children to be criminals or your doctors, farmers, police officers, firefighters, plumbers, electricians, chefs etc.?

This attitude saves pennies in the short term and costs dollars in the long term.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: StunPrix
It's like your entire life revolves around taxpayer funded birth control and abortion. Sad that your man hate is so pronounced you're willing to carve up your own child and advocate others do not the same as some kind of power play. Who hurt you? Maybe if you got a job instead of posting ok the internet you could afford to murder your own children?

Hi, some people's lives actually do require birth control to live without suffering.

Not because it prevents pregnancy, but because it helps control certain medical conditions such as:
Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
Endometriosis
Amenorrhea
Menstrual Cramps
Premenstrual Syndrome
Primary Ovarian Insufficiency
Heavy Menstrual Periods
Severe acne

They also lower the chances for endometrial cancer, ovarian cancer, and ovarian cysts.

Does it surprise you that there are medical uses for birth control?



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: dothedew
if you have employer health care, you're paying for birth control coverage. Even if you're a man. Does that make a whole lot of sense to you.....?


everyone who has insurance pays for things that don't apply to them. that's how insurance works.

i'm subsidizing viagra and not getting use out of it myself. as well as a multitude of other things. and i'm fine with that.

this is just petty, anti-woman moralizing by christians who think they should get to control other people. it's BS.

I live in Oklahoma and once worked for a Mardel, whose owner is part of the family that owns Hobby Lobby and the companies are closely affiliated (same warehouses, etc).

They line their pockets with the cash they save by conning people by saying they are Christians and paying the lowest wages around. Getting around paying for birth control is just another cost-saving measure by them.

I was there more than 5 years and I got two raises. They begged me to stay when I had enough (which was when the manager said to go cover the register while I was helping a guest in a department. They don't care about their employees.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: LeoLeoMidWest




I wonder if restricting BC and abortion is an attempt to remove more women from the work force and making those jobs available for men and reducing unemployment.


There certainly are some evangelical factions with that sort of agenda, but the bigger picture depends on "economic slavery", and once children come into the picture, TPTB own you. You have to work now, you need a house mortgage, a car loan, medical insurance, your kids needs vaccinations and must be enrolled in some sort of educational programming. You'll need credit cards for clothes and school supplied, summer camp and band lessons.


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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Wardaddy454





How is birth control a right?


Under the Affordable Care Act, insured women are guaranteed access to birth control.






Which amendmant is this?



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 02:12 PM
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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 03:35 PM
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Next stop, repeal of Rove vs. Wade nd the elimination of abortion and the killing of unborn children.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: thepixelpusher

Ha, Ha - you think that will stop abortions. That's cute.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv


These are the kinds of people that afraid of Sharia Law! LOL



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:15 PM
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Trump's view of religious freedom is the right for religious people to take away freedoms from people they don't agree with. This is not freedom at all, but tyranny. Everyone, including religious people, should be free to make choices like this for themselves.

As another person posted, this isn't an abortion, it is birth control, which prevents unwanted pregnancies and thus prevents abortions. There are also health reasons to take birth control.
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