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Vegas Shooter ACCIDENTALLY Killed Self- A Theory By Thomas Wictor

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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:43 PM
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Wictor is a sober-minded thinker, who's opinions and ideas are often worth examining (IMO).
From his twitter feed today, he lays out an interesting theory, which suggests Paddock may have accidentally killed himself.

I offer his thinking here only to add more material for the discussion and speculation as to what may have actually transpired in Paddock's hotel room.
HERE is a portion of Wictor's feed:



(8) It took me several days to conclude that the mass murder accidentally shot himself.
(9) The conspiracy theorists base their conspiracies on NOTHING.
(10) Here's how I came to my conclusion:
(11) "Why is the shooter's left foot under that rifle with a bipod?" was the question.
(12) When I looked at the photo, I saw that the murderer was lying ON TOP of a rifle.
(13) It appears that the murderer was cut down in mid stride.
(14) I've never heard cops express uncertainty like that.
(15) The death photo shows that the murderer shot himself in the mouth.
(16) He coughed out three gouts of blood and drowned on the fourth. His head is thrown back because he was trying to breathe.
(17) The police say that the murderer fired for ten minutes. Then a hotel security guard pounded on his door.
(18) The murderer fired through the door.
(19) The cops breached the door an hour later. The pools of blood were partially coagulated by that time.
(20) If the murder committed suicide, he did so in a weird place. Again, it appears that he was cut down in mid-stride.
(21) The cops say he had an escape plan and intended to live. So, @drawandstrike theorized that the murderer panicked.
(22) He heard the pounding on the door, fired a rifle, and then inexpertly gathered up several rifles to move to another position.
(23) So he gathers up several rifles.
(24) He's wearing gloves, and he's holding a hammer-less snub-nose pistol in his right hand.
(25) The rifles begin to slip, or he SLIDES ON SPENT CARTRIDGE CASES on the floor.
(26) He either tried to stop the rifle from falling, or he loses his balance.
(27) And he accidentally shoots himself in the mouth.
(28) The evidence supporting this is VERY STRONG.


twitter.com...




posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

with the weapons involved and the amount of brass dispensed is there other examples of this happening? I have personally been in close quarters with tons of brass and have lost my footing during combat door to door but most guys I know keep their finger straight and off the finger till ready to fire.

I am not trying to invalidate but asking for other examples of this if they are available.


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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:51 PM
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All I can say is

LoL.

He says that conspiracy theorists make their claims on nothing. Then spends time speculating a plot in which no one knows what went down, if the police flipped his body over, checked the gun at his feet, or any other thing that could have happened before the photo was taken.

Talks about speculation, then speculates.

Lol



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:54 PM
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you missed out 29 & 30...


(29) I'm not here to be a target, and I'm not on trial. If you don't agree with me, I DON'T CARE.

(30) I'm going to train you folks to be more like me. Keep your opinions to yourself unless asked.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Although I find it kind of strange he shot himself, I don't think it was an accident.

How would the gun wind up turned 180 degrees pointing at or actually in his mouth? I can't imagine a scenario where I'm carrying a gun, trip, and point it at my mouth.

Although it's called "hamerless" it still has a hammer inside the frame. Either way the gun isn't going off without a trigger pull.

I guess it is plausible. Maybe one of these video cameras we've heard about has the answer or if that paper really was a note.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:57 PM
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This guy offed himself because they were already at his door, and there was no way out.
I doubt seriously that he accidentally shot himself in the mouth.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: Rikku
you missed out 29 & 30...


(29) I'm not here to be a target, and I'm not on trial. If you don't agree with me, I DON'T CARE.

(30) I'm going to train you folks to be more like me. Keep your opinions to yourself unless asked.



29 and 30 has nothing to do with anything other then the author trying to validate speculation.... it should be disregarded if we are purely looking at point of view regarding the shooter and the shooting. If he expected his posts to not be looked at he shouldn't post it because people interested will post opinions why ask? He made his opinion public I didn't ask for his a third party posted it so F**K 29-30



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: Rikku
you missed out 29 & 30...


(29) I'm not here to be a target, and I'm not on trial. If you don't agree with me, I DON'T CARE.

(30) I'm going to train you folks to be more like me. Keep your opinions to yourself unless asked.



That's how Wictor rolls on Twitter.
He was asked...and he offered his theory.

I, personally, think it's possible...but don't subscribe to it as completely accurate.
Time will only tell if he is right or wrong.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:00 PM
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Im not positive, but it looked like he used a Derringer 45 to finish himself off. He wouldn't have had that gun out for any other reason, considering it's very limited range. I don't think suicide was his expected endgame, but it was a backup plan, and something likely happened to make him take his own life, be it equipment malfunction, injury, or a conscious



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:00 PM
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edit on 5-10-2017 by onthedownlow because: Double post



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: Brotherman
well his theory isn't convincing in the slightest and #30 shows thats he's a narcissist relying on naive 'twits' to fuel his delusions.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

If he had a plan and knew what he was doing, why would he panic? Being what looks like a completely thought out ordeal, he had to be prepared for the eventuality of the law intervening?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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I can agree that he may have panicked when the security guard arrived sooner than expected. A man so mathematically calculating assumed swat would take longer. Was it an accidental suicide?...no, statistically he would have calculated that he could not escape.

Security guard probably did save many more lives.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: Rikku
you missed out 29 & 30...


(29) I'm not here to be a target, and I'm not on trial. If you don't agree with me, I DON'T CARE.

(30) I'm going to train you folks to be more like me. Keep your opinions to yourself unless asked.



29 and 30 has nothing to do with anything other then the author trying to validate speculation.... it should be disregarded if we are purely looking at point of view regarding the shooter and the shooting. If he expected his posts to not be looked at he shouldn't post it because people interested will post opinions why ask? He made his opinion public I didn't ask for his a third party posted it so F**K 29-30


Really?

Is that the "logic" behind your "opinion".

Unbelievable



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: liejunkie01

originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: Rikku
you missed out 29 & 30...


(29) I'm not here to be a target, and I'm not on trial. If you don't agree with me, I DON'T CARE.

(30) I'm going to train you folks to be more like me. Keep your opinions to yourself unless asked.



29 and 30 has nothing to do with anything other then the author trying to validate speculation.... it should be disregarded if we are purely looking at point of view regarding the shooter and the shooting. If he expected his posts to not be looked at he shouldn't post it because people interested will post opinions why ask? He made his opinion public I didn't ask for his a third party posted it so F**K 29-30


Really?

Is that the "logic" behind your "opinion".

Unbelievable


Maybe I should have put conditions on my post so my "logic" and my "opinion" are off limits. Your probably a smart guy or girl, you use quotes to highlight words like some sarcastic ass hole. I guess I'll move along now.

I didn't know proverbial conditions on the internet are also the fabric of illusion lines drawn in imaginary sand on the internet meant something in real life. I am sorry for offending your tender self. I apologize for wasting your time.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:40 PM
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He brought everything but his kitchen sink. He could 't sit. back for his gun to cool, so he went to the next one. The O P forgot it was dark In there, so that didn't help his cause, any!



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT


Wasn't one of the perpetrators involved with that LA shoot out some time back, where they were both wearing body armor, suspected of accidentally killing himself when he tried to rack his weapon?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:43 PM
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Keep speculating away, I'm sure there's a reason this ambiguous mass murderer (supposedly) is headline news 24/7. Keep speculating on things that will change absolutely nothing about what happened so the real issues are ignored or put on the backburner. Also, keep arguing over gun legislating too.

"The news can't be trusted!" *continues to watch news waiting for new developments*


People have been speculating about JFK for 50 years and they're no closer to the truth today than when it happened. I don't see this case being any different personally. Just another distraction thrown on top of a mountain of them.
edit on 10/5/2017 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: liejunkie01

originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: Rikku
you missed out 29 & 30...


(29) I'm not here to be a target, and I'm not on trial. If you don't agree with me, I DON'T CARE.

(30) I'm going to train you folks to be more like me. Keep your opinions to yourself unless asked.



29 and 30 has nothing to do with anything other then the author trying to validate speculation.... it should be disregarded if we are purely looking at point of view regarding the shooter and the shooting. If he expected his posts to not be looked at he shouldn't post it because people interested will post opinions why ask? He made his opinion public I didn't ask for his a third party posted it so F**K 29-30


Really?

Is that the "logic" behind your "opinion".

Unbelievable


Maybe I should have put conditions on my post so my "logic" and my "opinion" are off limits. Your probably a smart guy or girl, you use quotes to highlight words like some sarcastic ass hole. I guess I'll move along now.

I didn't know proverbial conditions on the internet are also the fabric of illusion lines drawn in imaginary sand on the internet meant something in real life. I am sorry for offending your tender self. I apologize for wasting your time.


If I'm not mistaken, it seems that you are the offended one, or how did you put it "tender self". If I am also not mistaken, your replies to people in this thread only points to one A $$ hole here. Just saying.

You are not wasting my time, I'm sitting on my porch thumbing through ATS. It's beautiful outside here.

When looking into theories, especially theories where people claim that they are right and don't give a damn what people think, I personally like to bring logic into the equation. Unfortunately the equation that some think are fact, are nothing but mere speculation, such as the opinion piece in the op.

Oh, I am also of the male gender, not a snowflake, and I like to draw lines in the sand.
edit on 5-10-2017 by liejunkie01 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

so he accidentally placed the gun in his mouth. or is he saying that some did it for him.

that can't be because we all know that when someone commits suicide, they always shoot themselves twice in the back of the head, and the weapon disappears.


ETA: guess i should have read the numbered points, still it would be near about impossible for the barrel to go in his mouth unless he was one of those damn mouth breathers.

edit on 5-10-2017 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)




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