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What would the world be like under hardliner Muslim rule?

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posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by Amuk
Great. Its good to hear you FINALLY say it. Was that so hard?

NO.
but it is hard for me to express my thoughts,
especially in another language.
so sometimes it comes to a few misunderstandings.
especially on this kind of forums.



This might be hard for you to understand but I dont have a problem with them fighting us. Hell if the shoe was on the other foot I MIGHT be fighting too. But I would NOT be doing the things I have described (targeting innocents)

me neither.
but we are not living there.
we are not fighting there.
and we havent seen what they have seen.
i do not approve of killing innocents, but they probably dont care anymore.
i really dont know what makes a man such an animal to do things like that.
i have seen some serious attrocities against civil population in wars in ex-yugoslavia, and you wouldnt belive that things like that can be done by a man.



No. I said that because you have NEVER MADE ONE POST condemning those actions, and getting you to AT LEAST say its not right took what, 4 pages?

ok, ok.
better late then never, right?
im glad we made some progress here,
even if after four pages.



So would I. The difference is I would not machinegun down a school house full of the enemys kids, be-head innocent aide workers,etc.
If the USA was invaded tommorow by, lets say Russia. I would fight them to my dying breath but I would not TARGET a school full of their children.
Can you not see the difference?

yes i can see the diffrence.
but,
what would you do, if they killed your children and your women and your brothers and sisters?
what would you do, if they bombed down your schools, killing your children and your future?
just a hypothetical question.
would you pay back?




posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
yes i can see the diffrence.
but,
what would you do, if they killed your children and your women and your brothers and sisters?
what would you do, if they bombed down your schools, killing your children and your future?
just a hypothetical question.
would you pay back?


No. I would not target women or children.

I have been in war and didnt target innocents then. Innocents will ALWAYS be killed in war, but one sign of the good guys is they TRY to avoid it, not target a school and machinegun school children.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 04:32 AM
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this question is just a ploy to show the 'lesser of two evils' and that we should be 'thankful for what we have right now'. Both options are pretty bad in my opinion and I wish for the expedient return of the bi-polar world.

I suppose it's like saying that if you are kid would you prefer your father to beat your brother and sisters or molester them? they are both evil, wrong and illegitimate option.

thanks,
drfunk

[edit on 14-2-2005 by drfunk]



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by drfunk
this question is just a ploy to show the 'lesser of two evils' and that we should be 'thankful for what we have right now'.


Damn you caught me.

When I was sitting in on the NWO meeting with the other Reptilians I told them you would see through it



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 04:36 AM
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Originally posted by drfunk
this question is just a ploy to show the 'lesser of two evils' and that we should be 'thankful for what we have right now'. Both options are pretty bad in my opinion and I wish for the expedient return of the bi-polar world.

I suppose it's like saying that if you are kid would you prefer your father to beat your brother and sisters or molester them? they are both evil, wrong and illegitimate option.

great post doctor!
i couldnt agree with you more!
you have said in one post what i was trying to explain in almost 4 pages of posting!
that is called efficiency!



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by drfunk.
I suppose it's like saying that if you are kid would you prefer your father to beat your brother and sisters or molester them? they are both evil, wrong and illegitimate option.


Really?
Since BOTH are evil I am sure you should have plenty of post condemning BOTH right? Unless you just prefer molesting to beating


Where are your posts on the Evils of the Taliban?

I can show mine on the evils of the Bush admin.

[edit on 14-2-2005 by Amuk]



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 04:48 AM
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Being Muslim as a total world religion..
Well, if all were muslim a lot of people would have sore knees.
Dallas



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 04:48 AM
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you bet the taliban are evil, any religious state is wrong. There should always be a seperation of church and state and the government should be secular.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by drfunk
you bet the taliban are evil, any religious state is wrong. There should always be a seperation of church and state and the government should be secular.


Damn Doc we finally agree


That was the whole point of my thread was just to point out to those who seem to think of them as innocent victims just what monsters they were.

I dont agree with going into Iraq but I wont shed a tear over the Taliban or OBL and AQ



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by drfunk
you bet the taliban are evil, any religious state is wrong. There should always be a seperation of church and state and the government should be secular.


I'll rather have the cathloic church running the government. Then have captialism pigs running it. These captialism's print money out of nothing, the force everyone to work 5 days a week, then force them to take out loan's if they want a home to live in. Then force them to pay interest which is just tax in disguise. They control and manuplate the society.

Jesus threw out the money changers, i'm sure the church will flow the example of jesus.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by TheTruth123

Originally posted by drfunk
you bet the taliban are evil, any religious state is wrong. There should always be a seperation of church and state and the government should be secular.


I'll rather have the cathloic church running the government. Then have captialism pigs running it. These captialism's print money out of nothing, the force everyone to work 5 days a week, then force them to take out loan's if they want a home to live in. Then force them to pay interest which is just tax in disguise. They control and manuplate the society.

Jesus threw out the money changers, i'm sure the church will flow the example of jesus.



I'd rather kiss Bush's arse than have the greedy catholic church run my country! those bastards are capitalists of human misery, religion is the opiate of the masses and in my country the catholics run many hospitals and capitalize on human pain, then the rich die and leave the church their land. They own half of the Sydney CBD apparently and this sickens me.

If the Catholics ran the country the pope would have divine rule, he can't be wrong and he would be no better than a dictator that believes he speaks the word of god.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by Amuk
Oh wait you ONLY condemn the USA you say you
will NOT condemn the Taliban for their actions.

taliban dont go around the world, claiming other
peoples oil and conquering other peoples lands,
or do they? i think there are far worse enemies
of the world than taliban,


Hmmmm ... claiming other people's oil and conquering
other people's lands ... that was SADDAM. Yes, he was
bad. He did all that. Thankfully the Coalition went in
and liberated Kuwait from his takeover and we gave
the oil fields back to Kuwait where they belonged.
Now the Coalition of the Willing has given the Iraqis
their oil fields back, out of the hands of Saddam and
the corrupt U.N. Oil for Food bunch who were robbing
the Iraqis of billions of their oil money. Once the idiotic
insurgents stop blowing up the oil fields which have been
given back to the Iraqis, and once the insurgents stop
murdering the Iraqis on the streets (barbers and bakers
were their favorite targets this week), then the Coalition
can leave knowing that the Iraqis can handle their country
and their security by themselves.

The only reason the Taliban didn't go around conquering
other lands was because they were too stupid and didn't
have enough brains to be international criminals like
Saddam was. The Taliban would not allow women to get
an education, would not allow women to learn to read,
would not allow women out of the house without their
burkas, would not even allow women to walk at a fast
pace because that was 'drawing attention' to themselves
and walking fast was punishable by whipping and death.
The Taliban stole girl children from parents and raped them
and passed them around to be raped. Upon returning the
used daughter to the family, the families would kill them
because the little rape victim 'dishonored' them.

STUPIDITY. When you condem half the population to ignorance,
and the other half of the population to perpetuating that ignorance,
you won't be able to raise the people up at all. The Taliban were
really a suicidal bunch ... they were killing their own people through
perpetuation of ignorance. Goodbye to bad trash.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 07:55 AM
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i just wanna say has anyone here ever been to one of these muslium countries before the u.s. has com in and really messed things up?? and u know what, if some dude goes and rapes somebody why not stone him?? if someone kills someone why not blow his head apart with an AK-47?? we excute people, why cant they?? and with the freedom of women, if u actually went to one of these countries before u.s. OCCUPATION u would see that women hav a lot more freedom than the media leads us to belive....dont base ur arguement on someone elses information, use what u have seen from firsy hand experience.........

one man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by firestarter666
u would see that women hav a lot more freedom than the
media leads us to belive....one man's terrorist is another
mans freedom fighter


Tell me that you don't really believe this.
Women
who were lucky enough to survive the Taliban have been
on TV and have been interviewed in newspapers... telling
about being beaten for walking too fast in their burkas,
being beaten for having their burka 1/2 an inch too short
so an ankle bone showed, not being allowed to learn to
read, not being allowed to go to the doctor with a sick
child because there was no male escort to take them
(they were expected to allow the child to die rather than
take them to the doctor and 'dishonor' the family by
being outside without a male family member), men and
women being put to death because they had a family
picture taken (photos were not allowed by the Taliban
because it was 'EVIL')... the list goes on and on and on.

The Taliban were terrorists against their own muslim people.
To insinuate that the Taliban were 'freedom fighters' is sick.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by firestarter666
u would see that women hav a lot more freedom than the
media leads us to belive....one man's terrorist is another
mans freedom fighter


Man made buffoon... You have no idea of what you speak about.

See Flyer's Fan's post.... I remember seeing those videos and interviews too.
People under Taliban 'oppression' weren't allowed to even read any books unless it was the koran, storming into their houses and taking everything they saw that was so called 'evil' then beating one of the family members sometimes even killing all but one so the survivor could go around telling their story as a way to keep the people in line (I say afraid because thats a tyrant's method)

This isn't "freedom" fighting, this is oppression of the human spirit and body.
How do you call any of these things FREEDOM?

Maybe your from another planet and freedom fighting is the opposite of freedom fighting here. I'd like think this is so, but i'm pretty sure it's not, sadly.



Flyer's fan wrote:
Women who were lucky enough to survive the Taliban have been
on TV and have been interviewed in newspapers... telling
about being beaten for walking too fast in their burkas,
being beaten for having their burka 1/2 an inch too short
so an ankle bone showed, not being allowed to learn to
read, not being allowed to go to the doctor with a sick
child because there was no male escort to take them
(they were expected to allow the child to die rather than
take them to the doctor and 'dishonor' the family by
being outside without a male family member), men and
women being put to death because they had a family
picture taken (photos were not allowed by the Taliban
because it was 'EVIL')... the list goes on and on and on.

The Taliban were terrorists against their own muslim people.
To insinuate that the Taliban were 'freedom fighters' is sick.



How very true this is, all the people who died under the Taliban didn't volunteer to, they were just leading their own lives and because a bunch of thugs didn't like how they were living decided they be the ones in charge of the taking of another person's life.

How this is freedom fighting is beyond me, that persons pov is totally ass backwards.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 10:52 AM
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u hav no idea what ur sayin....u can only base ur arguement on what the media has to say, hav u ever considered that those women could be lyin to spread propigianda for the u.s.??? and no i did not say that the taliban was good, i stated a general quote.... u sould really get a grip




posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 11:02 AM
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I hope you are just a troll and that you don't really
believe what you are posting. Because if you really
believe it.... I feel sorry for you.


I'm outta' here. This is pointless.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 11:38 AM
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u know what flyer....im right and u just cant accept that....
and im not a troll, im ur mom...lol



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by firestarter666
u know what flyer....im right and u just cant accept that....
and im not a troll, im ur mom...lol


Well mommy you better put that burka back on, get into the house and quit interfering in mens business before we beat you with a stick


Don't worry flyer even the most of the staunchest muslim supporters agree that the Taliban was INSANE.

So firestarter666

I guess YOU have been to Afghanistan and have seen this wonderful womens paradise with your own two eyes? Remember now if they catch you looking at their women they will kill you BOTH


One of the people at our DoJo and several folks around here HAVE been there and paint a slightly different picture than you. Not to mention THOUSANDS of journalists and and aid workers and hundreds of thousands of refuges

But of course they are all probably shape shifting Reptilians on the NWO payroll to spread disinformation in our backwoods town.



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 01:11 PM
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lol...

but u know that they r lyin, if someone paid u to lie i know u would..... if people believe that the people over there were being treated like u say then there would be support for the war.....if the public believes that the war is justified then people will support it....

but plz dont take this the wrong way, the government over there was by no means good or richeous, just not some bloody group of people sperading fear and death...



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