About the Vegas Killer... newest info

The 60 Minutes "interviews" was a total red herring opportunity.

Very well produced.



Also, gun sales don't happen at the major hotels.

There's hundreds of other locations in Las Vegas that make it easy and undetected.



And maybe somebody should consider another possibility about Paddock and Danley.

Like who they really are.

Go at something that hasn't been considered yet.



More later.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Boadicea

...all States require a permit for conceal & carry...

I believe 13 states have "constitutional carry", so residents are not actually required to get a permit to conceal carry.

Here's a thought: If ISIS killed Paddock before the massacre started, is it possible that this explains the broken windows? Some kind of limited exchange inside Paddock's room could easily have broken a couple of windows. The picture of the hammer didn't surface until at least a day or two later. Plenty of time for some FBI agent to go buy one at the local Home Depot and toss it on the floor of Paddock's room.

originally posted by: xuenchen


Like who they really are.

Go at something that hasn't been considered yet.

More later.

Is the stiff in the hotel room with all the guns just a burned spook?
And the security guard was too?
Is all this just to cover up a giant $#!+show of a blackop that went south?

a reply to: dashen

4 "people" don't exist as being presented by the MSM.

The "body" in the pics is not real.

Notice how the MSM framed the "no known motive" theme.

The actual motive and the people with the motive has been touched on, and they are not any of the 4 "people" that don't really exist.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

PLUS, they had the key card that Campos reportedly gave them. They spent time rigging the door with explosives when they could have just used the key card...that doesn't sound logical.

This is one thing that I do find believable.
SWAT would blow the door even if they had a key.
They use the noise of blowing a hole in a wall or otherwise gaining entry by explosive means to shock the intended targets. They train that way.

AND.... they live for that kind of stuff.

a reply to: xuenchen

Like Photoshop not real?
Like hologram not real?
Like that's a real body but not who they say it is not real?
is there somebody's blood soaked into the floor of that hotel room?
This story sounds far too absurd for people not to leak

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: MotherMayEye

PLUS, they had the key card that Campos reportedly gave them. They spent time rigging the door with explosives when they could have just used the key card...that doesn't sound logical.

This is one thing that I do find believable.
SWAT would blow the door even if they had a key.
They use the noise of blowing a hole in a wall or otherwise gaining entry by explosive means to shock the intended targets. They train that way.

AND.... they live for that kind of stuff.

It's a bit like Mythbusters. Why do they blow up stuff all the time? Because they can.

a reply to: dashen

The entire "crime scene" in the hotel is staged.



The crime scene outside and cross-corner from the hotel is real.

Be very careful what you believe on the MSM and press conference reports.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

So...it's THEhotel (now the Delano) at Mandalay Bay that has 43/44 floors (opened in 2004). The building the shooter was in is the 39 story original Mandalay Bay? The Four Seasons has the upper five floors (35-39) of that building?

Is that how you are understanding this?



I am going to post some links to plug into the waybackmachine, because I can't get them to be proper live links:

THEhotel at Mandalay Bay (Delano, now): en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/THEhotel_at_Mandalay_Bay

Mandalay Bay: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandalay_Bay (view a capture from 2008, it says 39 stories with the Four Seasons having the top 5 floors).

If that is correct, counting downward from the top five floors, it would seem to place the broken windows on the 29th floor, not the 32nd. It's impossible to count up from the ground floor because of the lower buildings around it.

Help me understand! This should be simple info to discern and it isn't.

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ETA:

The broken windows for reference:

Some of the latest news/articles:

Exclusive: Vegas killer described his unusual habits in 2013 testimony

He was a nocturnal creature who gambled all night and slept all day.

He took Valium at times for anxiousness, and had the doctor who prescribed it to him on retainer.

He wagered up to a million dollars a night, but wandered around glitzy Las Vegas casinos in sweatpants and flip-flops, and carried his own drink into the high rollers' area because he didn't want to tip the waitresses too much.

He said he was prescribed Valium "for anxiousness" by Nevada internist Steven P. Winkler. It was unclear how often he took the drug, but he estimated that he had 10 or 15 pills remaining in a bottle of 60 that were prescribed a year and a half earlier.

This is the same doctor that wrote the most recent prescription for Valium also.

He described himself as being, at one point, the "biggest video poker player in the world."

"How do I know that?" Paddock asked rhetorically. "Because I know some of the video poker players that play big. Nobody played as much and as long as I did."

At the height of his play in 2006, he testified, "I averaged 14 hours a day, 365 days a year."

Paddock said he rarely drank alcohol when he gambled, because "at the stakes I play, you want to have all your wits about you, or as much wit as I have."

a reply to: xuenchen

There were a few things that I found extremely interesting in the records. Will have to look deeper into it later. Should I focus on looking into the companies listed on the documents or the specific people? Do you know where he supposedly lived in FL before moving to NV? Started looking at Orange County, fl records. Do we know if Eric has any sons?

originally posted by: Boadicea

"Paddock said he rarely drank alcohol when he gambled, because "at the stakes I play, you want to have all your wits about you, or as much wit as I have."

Ok...refraining from alcohol was based on needing to be sober for gambling. It wasn't a 'radicalized Islam' thing.

That makes more sense to me than him being "vanilla" and never seen drinking/known to drink -- even though I can see him holding a shot glass in the most widely shown photo of him.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: dashen

The entire "crime scene" in the hotel is staged.

The crime scene outside and cross-corner from the hotel is real.

Be very careful what you believe on the MSM and press conference reports.

I would say the same for your posts

a reply to: MotherMayEye

That rules out any police/SWAT moving the revolver.

Or that the police/SWAT turned the body onto the back.... wouldn't it?

I thought it odd that he said he saw "no wound to the head"... um... as opposed to a wound he saw on another part of the body where he did see a wound?

AND, it makes it even more suspicious that the trail of blood goes across his chest and meets up with the blood on the carpet. The revolver had to have been placed in that position after he was down. His hand is also not near it and I find it implausible/impossible that he had his arm across his chest, holding the revolver, while down and shot in the mouth, then lifted it to throw the revolver above him, then moved his arm back down by his side.

I'm not understanding that at all. At least when I try to figure it out in terms of a real event.... if I look at it as a completely staged event, then I just blame it on incompetence.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

So...it's THEhotel (now the Delano) at Mandalay Bay that has 43/44 floors (opened in 2004). The building the shooter was in is the 39 story original Mandalay Bay? The Four Seasons has the upper five floors (35-39) of that building?

YES.

I knew I read stuff about the 29th floor!

The police reported clearing out the Mandalay Bay’s 29th floor and then working their way up to the 32nd floor. A police Twitter post described reports of an “active shooter” near or around the Mandalay Bay casino.

NYT

AND

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said later that officers coordinated with security guards at the hotel to gather intelligence and learn that customers had complained about hearing shots from the 29th to the 32nd floors.

USA Today


This is very critical info to nail down, J&C...

There were many reports that mentioned the 29th floor.

a reply to: ad1220

Paddock's "Brother(s)" are not real.

The property he "owns" in Nevada are real, but not for purposes most people will think of right away.

originally posted by: Boadicea
I thought it odd that he said he saw "no wound to the head"... um... as opposed to a wound he saw on another part of the body where he did see a wound?

Good catch.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical



IF that is true and the Mandalay Bay building Paddock was in only has 39 floors -- with the Four Seasons owning the top five -- then the broken windows are on the 29th floor!

And it is very interesting that gunfire was heard on the 29th floor and it was closed off, by police.


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ETA: Holy crap.

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ETA2:

These windows are on the 29th floor in a 39 story building!!!



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ETA3:

AND....it makes a whole lot more sense than The Four Seasons having floors 35-39 in a 43 story building. The Four Seasons would have all the exclusive penthouse floors at the top...not some random floors near the top but not at the top.

originally posted by: ad1220
a reply to: xuenchen

There were a few things that I found extremely interesting in the records. Will have to look deeper into it later. Should I focus on looking into the companies listed on the documents or the specific people? Do you know where he supposedly lived in FL before moving to NV? Started looking at Orange County, fl records. Do we know if Eric has any sons?

I heard earlier that he lived on the East Coast of Florida near the Space Center... but didn't see any confirmation. He was supposed to have worked for Morton Thiokol (that made the SRB's for the space shuttle) , but the headquarters was located in Chicago... just throwing things out there.