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About the Vegas Killer... newest info

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posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye


On that note...

The NYT article you provided with the floor plan has a panorama photo of a similar hotel room taken from the Mandalay Bay website, and they flipped it to "match" Paddock's room:


Someone's really trying to obscure facts here. I just don't know from what to what. Grrrrr!




posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Please go read the whole article, lots if things in there just like 9-11. I never believed that whole story either. My idea of what happened on 9-11 is not the usual belief. I would never hear the end of it if I posted what I really thought...



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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edit on 9-10-2017 by judydawg because: Double Post



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Here are the 5 and what we know so far:

1) MGM (Mandalay Bay owner): Beginning with more than $200 million in insider selling from MGM Officers and Directors in September, MGM’s share price began to drop the week of 9/11/17. (*NOTE: Remember this date…its important and you will see it many times). MGM would drop 11% in total as put options rose some 30% in price.

2) AOBC (formerly Smith and Wesson…now American Outdoor Brands), one of the biggest firearms manufacturers in America, began to rise on 9/11/17, with large increases in volume in both stock and options. AOBC shares would spike as much as 23% from its 9/11/17 lows to just after the attack.

3 RGR (Sturm Ruger), another of America’s largest firearms manufacturers, also began to rise on 9/11/17, also with large increases in volume on both stock and options. RGR shares would jump as much as 21% from its 9/11/17 lows to just after the attack.

4) OSIS (OSI Systems), the global leader in baggage, shipping and people detection systems (airports and now MUCH more, like hotels/casinos), also began to rise on 9/11/17, also with large increases in volume on both stock and options. The shares of OSIS would rise as much as 16% from its 9/11/17 lows to just after the attack.

5) OLN (Olin Corp) makes Winchester ammunition. Beginning on 9/11/17 their shares began to rise on a large increase in volume and a HUGE increase in call option purchases (so far I’ve found more than 6000 “calls” were purchased in OIH the week prior to the attack, with someone making a ton of money). The shares of OLN would soar as much as 23% from their 9/11/17 lows to just after the attack.



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

No the wall hasn't had paint removed etc...the same digital mess can be seen on the curtains and on the sofa
probably due to enlarging the pic



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: judydawg

I've heard about this. More 9/11-type stock manipulation. The stock prices for gun makers always spike when a mass shooting or other event starts up the Second Amendment debate again. A large-scale purchase just before this shooting would be suspicious, just like the large-scale short-selling of airlines just before 9/11 was suspicious.



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: judydawg


My idea of what happened on 9-11 is not the usual belief. I would never hear the end of it if I posted what I really thought...


I'd love to hear your thoughts about 9-11 if you want to PM me! I don't really have any hard theories. I just know that 99% of the theories I hear don't ring true for me for one reason or another...



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: dashen

This part does fit with what one of our posters was saying:

"Steven Craid Paddock" as he's been profiled and ID'ed to the public, does not exist. He was never, as you know him, in NJ or Vegas.

And I had a thought about this...

My theory is that this was a sting turned into an ambush. I think Paddock was working for the ATF or FBI or someone to set up weapons sales. He had all those weapons to display and say, "This is what we can get, how many do you want." And the cameras were there to record the transaction for the Feds. But the sting turned into an ambush when the "buyers" only wanted access to his room to do their dirty deed. (And they weren't alone... hence the reports of multiple shooters all over town).

But the Feds can't let their part be known, much less let the identity of their agent be revealed because it might compromise other connections or deals or something. So they identify the perp/victim as someone else who did basically the same thing, so by saying it was Paddock, the real identity of the agent is kept classified, but those "in the know" believe it because they know Paddock served the same purpose... but for some reason Paddock is now out of the game... maybe because Paddock recently died. The brother says he hasn't spoken to him for six months...

And it wouldn't surprise me if the girlfriend had access to his back accounts and credit cards and just kept spending her way back home to her family, never telling his family about his death....

So maybe the real question to be answered is who ambushed the Gman? Who really planned and executed this rampage?

I've been considering a scenario like this, and I think it fits. Possibly better than the arms-dealer theory. The Feds would cover it up just to try to hide their mistake. Either Paddock is a wholly phony identify (in which case, the brother is equally fake), or else he's real, and the Feds have decided to throw him under the bus and are retroactively trying to make him some kind of psycho wackjob.



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan


The stock prices for gun makers always spike when a mass shooting or other event starts up the Second Amendment debate again.


You're right -- and that's something we have to keep in mind when thinking about these events. We do expect firearm sales to increase whenever the masses feel threatened, and events like this make the masses feel threatened. The increased sales are just a natural and expected result or consequence of the event.

Earlier I used the example of an ATS thread a week or so ago about someone on another board "predicting" the Vegas shooting... basically someone claiming they had inside knowledge that Michael Chertoff was going to stage an event in order to sell his security equipment to Casinos. Maybe he did -- I sure don't know. But I do know that Chertoff selling more equipment would have happened after such an event whether he was the mastermind of the event or not.



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Except the weapons were all his own personal weapons purchased from legitimate dealers and registered to him. Why on earth would anyone be arms dealing or whatever with readily easily traceable LEGAL guns?



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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I've been considering a scenario like this, and I think it fits. Possibly better than the arms-dealer theory. The Feds would cover it up just to try to hide their mistake.


Exactly! The Feds can't afford to have this public knowledge -- pride and arrogance alone would be enough for them to cover it up. But I think this ain't over for the Feds by a long shot! Just the beginning. If the Feds were recording the meeting (hence the cameras), then they know who the real killers are and the real motive and exactly how this went down. So their investigation for arms sales has now turned into a full blown terrorist attack investigation. And the real killers most likely thought they were just ambushing some shady gun enthusiast, but now realize that the feds know a whole lot more than the killers wanted them to know or expected them to know. So basically the Feds are not just covering for the sting gone sideways, but for a whole lot more.


Either Paddock is a wholly phony identify (in which case, the brother is equally fake), or else he's real, and the Feds have decided to throw him under the bus and are retroactively trying to make him some kind of psycho wackjob.


If there weren't public records for Paddock, I would really be wondering if he were made up out of whole cloth... but it seems there was such a person. There's no way they could get away with it if he were still living; but if he had just recently died, then they could say what they will and who's to contradict them?

And maybe that's why the brother was so weird. He hadn't talked to his brother for six months (or so he said). Maybe he knows just enough about what his brother was up to that he knew there was more to the "official" story than was being said... but he doesn't know enough to know what really happened. Or maybe the Feds just told him, "This is the story and you better stick to it."



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:27 AM
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To elaborate: In this scenario, the buyers/ambushers were ISIS, and Paddock had supposedly converted as part of the sting. The girlfriend would likely be some kind of intelligence asset (either US or Fillipino).

One of the more interesting claims made over the weekend was that most major casinos use back-scatter X-ray technology to monitor their casino floors. This allows them to see hidden weapons (and also cheating devices like card-counting computers). This means that there is no way Mandalay Bay's security didn't know that Paddock was hauling a crap-ton of guns up to his room. They would have seen them in X-rays of his suitcases. That they didn't call the police on him days before only makes any sense if the FBI had already told this was going to happen.

Now, let's assume that ISIS has smelled a rat and realizes this is a setup. They show up dressed as security guards, because that's about the only way they'll be able to walk around the casino carrying guns and not raise an alarm. They kill Paddock and stage the shooting, with one or more shooters strategically placed in the crowd, and possibly one guy shooting from Paddock's room. (I remain unconvinced that any shots actually were fired from his room.) The guy who killed Paddock -- or one of them, at least -- got wounded during the confrontation. He runs into the real police while escaping, but since he's dressed as a security guard he's able to con his way out of it and escapes.



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: ad1220
a reply to: xuenchen

Check out property records (tax assessor) in Clark county & Washoe County, Nv.


Already have.

There's a reason for that and people are not going to understand the reason yet.




posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:31 AM
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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Except the weapons were all his own personal weapons purchased from legitimate dealers and registered to him. Why on earth would anyone be arms dealing or whatever with readily easily traceable LEGAL guns?


Have police or FBI confirmed that?

I don't doubt it, but I'm wondering how they would know that because as far as I know Nevada doesn't require registration of firearms. Maybe the Feds do, though. I was under the impression they could only go by background checks for purchases. I don't know though so I'm happy to be skooled.



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: ad1220
a reply to: xuenchen

Check out property records (tax assessor) in Clark county & Washoe County, Nv.


Already have.

There's a reason for that and people are not going to understand the reason yet.



Because When monsters plan a massacre like this they set themselves up to suck every shekel out of the opportunity



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Except the weapons were all his own personal weapons purchased from legitimate dealers and registered to him. Why on earth would anyone be arms dealing or whatever with readily easily traceable LEGAL guns?

The Fast & Furious program used straw-purchased guns. It's definitely a real thing. The Mexican drug gangs that bought their guns this way want military-grade gear, not crappy handguns confiscated from the guy who knocked over the liquor store.

Hell, if Stephen Paddock was a government agent, then he might well have been a part of F&F! It would explain the conflicting reports about his weapons: that he'd been acquiring guns "for decades," but all the weapons that have been found were acquired fairly recently (with the last year or so). The explanation for this discrepancy is that the older guns are long gone.
edit on 9-10-2017 by AndyFromMichigan because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: dashen



hey, the 4chin autists are questioning the existence of our hero Mr Campos


4chan is for conspiracy chumps

People off their meds, whose tin foil is too tight

Stick to mainstream new organizations , confirm everything



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

On 9-11 follow the money and who owned the twin towers.

I see this lining up the same,.



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Well they've confirmed the only guns they have been unable to trace are ones he purchased at gun fairs etc. All the others have been traced whether through background checks. He purchased from Texax Nevada Utah and California with most being purchased all from one store Sportsman's Warehouse,all States require a permit for conceal & carry with California requiring handguns and assault weapons to be registered but you're quite correct, I used the wrong word registered...I'm English forgive me
what I meant was they were purchased in his own name with background checks and therefore easily traceable apologies
edit on 9-10-2017 by PhyllidaDavenport because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 9 2017 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: firerescue


Well I'm certainly not going to link to infinite Chan



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