About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Not pooled, squirted out the entry, onto his hand and gun, hence the smallish patch on his front and on the gun, it would be on his glove as well, but its not visible to us. We also don`t know if he was standing kneeling or leaning forward when he fired.

The real mystery is what everyone is so confused about, why did he do this? what was his motive?, I`m stumped. But not at the blood etc, no mystery and makes sense imo.

a reply to: CynConcepts
Here is why I think the story is weak---if he shot himself after the incident with the security guard and fell on his face, livor mortis would have already set in by the time they breached the door. His face would basically be black since there was almost an hour between the last shots and the breach.

If he was on his back when he fell, the back would be where the blood pooled and discoloration would show up where the body rested on the floor. Blood isn't still dripping from a body when the body has been dead for an hour.

I'm still patiently waiting for the autopsy report.

I'm still also waiting to see if the authorities compare the handwriting on the "note" to his and can confirm that it is his handwriting. Since he was an accountant, it should be an easy thing to find samples of him writing numbers on a page.

a reply to: xuenchen

I’ve argued since the first moments of the Vegas mass murder event that the killer had help…that someone funded, coordinated and planned the attack…and that it had all the hallmarks of a ISIS attack. That doesn’t mean it was. It just means it looks and smelled like one to me.

rootforamerica.com...

a reply to: judydawg
Important question:
Are you going to cling to that scenario no matter what?

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: CynConcepts


I'm still patiently waiting for the autopsy report.

Why do I doubt that we'll get the full results?

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: xuenchen

I’ve argued since the first moments of the Vegas mass murder event that the killer had help…that someone funded, coordinated and planned the attack…and that it had all the hallmarks of a ISIS attack. That doesn’t mean it was. It just means it looks and smelled like one to me.

rootforamerica.com...

In May 2017, ISIS threatened 3 cities. One of them was Las Vegas. Now we get this Trump campaign state official saying that there's a video that proves, Paddock was working with/for ISIS.

STORY: www.zerohedge.com...

(The above may have been pointed out already, since it's 2 days old, but these Vegas threads are moving FAST.)

a reply to: Phage

Nope...

a reply to: carewemust

Now this supposed video evidence could explain a lot!

ISIS claimed responsibility but they would anyway and I`ve yet to see any connection with Paddock to Islam,

Very interesting and would like to see this new video.

a reply to: abrown

Thank you!

That is odd... but it goes hand-in-hand with the hotel room photos being staged as well. I'm not discounting the possibility at this point.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: MotherMayEye



He also said for them to allow a guy to put up for 3 days a do not disturb sign was out of line

www.foxnews.com...

Yet when I was at the Mandalay Bay at the end of June for CLUS17 I had the DND sign on my door for the first 3 days I was there.

That is my normal approach for business trips.. DND from first day to middle day..

a reply to: dashen

This part does fit with what one of our posters was saying:

"Steven Craid Paddock" as he's been profiled and ID'ed to the public, does not exist. He was never, as you know him, in NJ or Vegas.

And I had a thought about this...

My theory is that this was a sting turned into an ambush. I think Paddock was working for the ATF or FBI or someone to set up weapons sales. He had all those weapons to display and say, "This is what we can get, how many do you want." And the cameras were there to record the transaction for the Feds. But the sting turned into an ambush when the "buyers" only wanted access to his room to do their dirty deed. (And they weren't alone... hence the reports of multiple shooters all over town).

But the Feds can't let their part be known, much less let the identity of their agent be revealed because it might compromise other connections or deals or something. So they identify the perp/victim as someone else who did basically the same thing, so by saying it was Paddock, the real identity of the agent is kept classified, but those "in the know" believe it because they know Paddock served the same purpose... but for some reason Paddock is now out of the game... maybe because Paddock recently died. The brother says he hasn't spoken to him for six months...

And it wouldn't surprise me if the girlfriend had access to his back accounts and credit cards and just kept spending her way back home to her family, never telling his family about his death....

So maybe the real question to be answered is who ambushed the Gman? Who really planned and executed this rampage?

a reply to: Boadicea

but any theory would have to take into account the seeming insider trading in the month leading up to this rampage.
it would seem some in MGM were "in the know"

a reply to: gps777

Wha?

How long do you think he was standing up after he shot himself in the mouth? He would have fallen virtually immediately. There is zero blood on the floor around his shoes.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this because your explanation defies the laws of physics and doesn't mesh with what the photos show.

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Boadicea

but any theory would have to take into account the seeming insider trading in the month leading up to this rampage.
it would seem some in MGM were "in the know"

Unless the insider traders were part of the planning and execution of the rampage, then they would probably only be hearing rumors or even threats of "something" but not have any real clue as to specifics.

To that extent, qui bono? Security. And security comprises both humans -- security guards -- and machines -- like metal detectors and alarms and what not. There's some competition, eh?

Did you see the thread last week in which a 4chan poster (if I remember correctly) said something big was going to happen in Vegas so that Chertoff could sell his security machines? Well... who would be likely to start such a rumor? Maybe the folks who were really going to do the deed and wanted to implicate their competition beforehand??? Like the security guards and the unions trying so hard to unionize every casino in Vegas? The same security guards implicated in this crime?

I think we're looking at two different coverups -- one the FBI sting in the hotel room, and two the shooting rampage all over the Strip.

a reply to: xuenchen

hey, the 4chin autists are questioning the existence of our hero Mr Campos.

Like why have there been no interviews?

surely CNN would have thrown him a parade?
The President would have shaken his hand, no?
200 rounds shot at him and was hit once in the leg?
in a hallway?

a reply to: carewemust

In May 2017, ISIS threatened 3 cities. One of them was Las Vegas. Now we get this Trump campaign state official saying that there's a video that proves, Paddock was working with/for ISIS.

Someone posted links showing the the CEO of MGM and someone else had made large donations to CAIR and Soros-funded organizations. It's possible, but it just doesn't ring true to me. Never say never, of course, and I'll keep it in mind (along with a jillion other possibilities) but I'm just not seeing it.

Rather, since the Feds have already been playing games about this (like everything else), I don't trust anything coming from any federal quarters... Even if a video comes to light, I would be more likely to believe it was totally staged and/or photoshopped.

But something I found interesting in the article is that it claims the photos of the hotel room are reversed, and that the body was actually on the other side of the room. It wasn't said how they know that, or how they would know that.

My hubby isn't happy at all that I spent all weekend on this thread.

What does he do on the weekend?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Boadicea
And from the pics, it would seem that no one else is in there but the photographer... and there should be cops everywhere.

There is a person in one photo:

Foot and leg on the left...not a uniformed officer.

ETA: On second thought...that might not be a person. My first thought was that it was.

The wall to the left of the curtains has paint removed, looks like it was shot...right? Unless it's sone kind of digital artifact.

If the wall is shot up....how? I thought that the cops didn't exchange gunfire with him? They breached the room and he was already dead, according to their story. So when did that wall get all shot up?

a reply to: opethPA

Not only that, most hotels now offer extra points if you do that and call it green choice. If they get an opportunity to not perform service on a suite they snatch it up.

originally posted by: Boadicea
But something I found interesting in the article is that it claims the photos of the hotel room are reversed, and that the body was actually on the other side of the room. It wasn't said how they know that, or how they would know that.

On that note...

The NYT article you provided with the floor plan has a panorama photo of a similar hotel room taken from the Mandalay Bay website, and they flipped it to "match" Paddock's room:

The image is flipped from its original perspective to match the orientation of the gunman’s suite.

Link


ETA: On second thought, I don't think the gunman photos are reversed. When I return the NYT version to its original orientation, the patterns on the striped and giraffish-print chairs matches better with Paddock-room photos.