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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:14 PM
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www.nytimes.com...





A Frantic Search for the Gunman
[The account below is based primarily on recordings of police communications, captured by Broadcastify.com and some individuals.]

At 10:08 p.m., an officer on the scene sounds the alarm. “We got shots fired,” he says. “Sounds like an automatic firearm.”
There is confusion over the next few minutes as officers arrive to scenes of death and mayhem.
“It’s coming from upstairs in the Mandalay Bay. Upstairs in the Mandalay Bay, halfway up I see the shots coming from Mandalay Bay, halfway up.”
“We have an active shooter — we have an active shooter inside the fairgrounds!”

At 10:12 p.m., the scale of the attack becomes more clear as an officer, using law-enforcement shorthand for gunshot wounds, reports in an agitated voice: “We have multiple casualties. G.S.W.’s in the medical tent. Multiple casualties!”
But the confusion over the source of the gunshots continues:
“Shots are coming from Gate 7.”
“We’re in front of Mandalay Bay. We’re trying to see where the shots are coming from. If anyone can advise if they’re coming from Mandalay.”
“It sounds like it’s either Mandalay or Luxor, we cannot tell.”

At 10:13 p.m., the manhunt begins to focus.
“It’s coming from like the 50th or 60th floor, north of the Mandalay Bay! It’s coming out a window.”
“We’re seeing local flashes in the middle of Mandalay Bay on the north side, kind of on the west tower but towards the center of the casino, like one of the middle floors.”
The gunman had smashed two windows that have a broad view of the festival ground, the sheriff said later at a news conference.
Even with pandemonium on the streets, one officer has clearly identified where the shooting is coming from:
“I’m inside the Mandalay Bay on the 31st floor, I can hear the automatic fire coming from one floor ahead, one floor above us.”
“Repeating, just be advised it is automatic fire. Fully automatic fire from an elevated position. Take cover.”
“That is correct, it’s fully automatic fire. I’m right below it.”
Outside, frustration grows.
“We’re taking gunfire. It’s going right over our heads. There’s debris coming over our heads. We’re pinned down here with a bunch of civilians.”
“We can’t worry about victims, we need to snuff the shooter before we have more victims! Anybody have eyes on him, on this shooter?”
“Hey officers, please stay calm, just relax, we’re trying to get this set up.”

By 10:20 p.m., there are some indications the shooting has stopped, although it is not clear.
“It’s been awhile since we’ve heard any shots. Does anybody have eyes on the shooter?”
A later transmission indicates that the shooting may have ended about 10:25.
At 10:24 p.m., officers report from the stairwell just outside the gunman’s door.
“I’m on the 32nd floor. The room is going to be 135.”
“It’s room 135 on the 32nd floor. I need the SWAT.”

At 10:28 p.m., as SWAT teams gather on the 32nd floor and the 29th floor, where there have been erroneous reports of another gunman, an officer says that a hotel security officer has been shot.
The gunman was at one point in a large suite on the 32nd floor, with windows facing the concert grounds. The diagram below shows the typical floor plan.
Over the next 50 minutes, officers secure the floor and ready several SWAT teams.

At about 11:20 p.m., they explode a door-breaching device, and enter to find the suspect dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. The man, who was later identified as Stephen Paddock, 64, had an arsenal of firearms in the room, officials said.




Comments and questions
So according to this the firing went on for 12 or 17 minutes

There were at least three statements saying the firing was coming from somewhere other than the 32nd floor

.“We’re in front of Mandalay Bay. We’re trying to see where the shots are coming from. If anyone can advise if they’re coming from Mandalay.”
“It sounds like it’s either Mandalay or Luxor, we cannot tell.”
But the confusion over the source of the gunshots continues:

“Shots are coming from Gate 7.”

At 10:13 p.m., the manhunt begins to focus.




“It’s coming from like the 50th or 60th floor, north of the Mandalay Bay! It’s coming out a window.”


“We’re seeing local flashes in the middle of Mandalay Bay on the north side, kind of on the west tower but towards the center of the casino, like one of the middle floors.”




The gunman had smashed two windows that have a broad view of the festival ground, the sheriff said later at a news conference.


Questions

I wonder when did we notice the broken windows

What were the Swat doing for an hour on the 32nd floor from 10:28 to 11:20

If Paddock shot 200 rounds through the door at this mysterious security guard when was that seen if the door was blown up




posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: DBCowboy

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Its a thing, a bit counter intuitive but a thing


From that link, there is this VERY telling quote,

reports of the ability of antianxiety drugs to disinhibit suppressed behaviors


If he had some form of psychopathic traits he was suppressing prior to being prescribed the diazepam, then it is plausible taking it resulted in him having the inability to continue to suppress those psychotic tendencies. That could have made that condition worse, and his ability to act out those more realistic. As we (unfortunately) have seen in Vegas.




edit on 10/8/2017 by Krakatoa because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

But then how was there blood on his chest for the revolver to sit in?

He was shot in the mouth and all the blood on his face trails upward on his face, off the top of his head and onto the floor. Why would there ever be a pool of blood on his chest?

I don't feel like that explanation makes sense unless I missed where he was shot in the chest at some point, too.


If he was shot in the back, especially from close range, the chest wound could be the exit wound? Would we expect to see the shirt more ripped up if it were an exit wound? I don't know. And if he were turned over while still bleeding out, then we'd see the blood pool. And if the chest wound were the first wound, with the second through the roof of the mouth later, then the killer would have to turn the body over to get that shot. Or am I missing something?

Lots of "ifs" in there, I know. But that's just it -- we don't know so much, like when he was shot, when he was rolled over, when he actually died...
edit on 8-10-2017 by Boadicea because: formatting



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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its been a while already, when is the shooter autopsy report coming out?
if ever?



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: dashen

Yeah, we need more things to second guess about. New things.


edit on 10/8/2017 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

Possibly

Its all hand waving to be honest. We know nothing, and he blew his brain out, so looking at it is a wee bit difficult.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: Phage

dont we?



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:28 PM
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Sorta new her so hope this works. Found this youtube video. It's strange but interesting.




posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Your explanation requires a second shot from behind (or from the front).

I think the explanation I was referring to was an attempt to explain the blood trail with only a single gunshot to the mouth.

If there was another gunshot wound (entrance or exit) in the chest area....then, yes, I could see the trail having been made by moving the gun off his chest.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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originally posted by: rowdyrich
a reply to: Boadicea

What they are talking about is the skin by the Adam’s apple, it just happens to look like a 13



I used to volunteer in an old folks home but not once in my life have I ever seen an old person's neck skin look like an MS-13 tattoo.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Way too much DRAMA here for me today!!

It's like a game of CLUE, or a treasure hunt for kindergartners.

Dude, if you really knew something for certain you'd be in questioning by the feds, or they'd be chasing you around your basement trying to kill you! You wouldn't be here on ATS!

You're just playing a game with people trying to lead them, one bread crumb at a time, to YOUR theory about what happened.

Give the cryptic stuff a rest, would ya? This is just silly.

Dump some facts and quit with the sinister innuendo! If you know something, say what it is. If you don't, fine, say that too, but quit playing games.

P.S. I normally read your stuff, but today the content is just irritating like a flat tire when you're late for work.

C'mon, man!



Thank you! Yes.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Willtell


I wonder when did we notice the broken windows


Good question. Looking at the pics from that night, it may have been difficult to see from any distance. But someone should have seen or heard falling glass. And I would think that the force need to break the glass to begin with, and then knock it out, would have caused some commotion as well.


What were the Swat doing for an hour on the 32nd floor from 10:28 to 11:20


That's a damn good question.

Have you seen the report from the Australian guy who claimed to be staying in room 134 right next door to Paddock? He said his entire floor was a crime scene, a security guard was killed in a gunfight with police, but he escaped and hid in the bushes... There has been considerable effort in mainstream sources to discredit him. So take it for what it's worth.

ETA: A gunfight might keep them busy for a little while, no? Might account for some of that missing dead time.
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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: MysticPearl


I used to volunteer in an old folks home but not once in my life have I ever seen an old person's neck skin look like an MS-13 tattoo.


Exactly!!! I thought maybe I was the only one making that connection, because I didn't see anyone else mention it at all! I gotta wonder now if someone started that as a joke and others took it and ran with it...



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:50 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: gps777

That sounds as reasonable as other explanations.

Thank you for adding that here -- much appreciated!


But then how was there blood on his chest for the revolver to sit in?


Because blood is a fluid and would have spurted and ran down onto his hands/gloves and the gun when he put it in his mouth and fired, if this was the final resting place of his hand on his torso and gun, that the SWAT tossed and moved to disarm as per their training 101.

No mystery there, none that I can see.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea




I gotta wonder now if someone started that as a joke and others took it and ran with it...

Inconceivable.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: abrown

Can you give those of us who can't watch videos a brief description of what it's about? And maybe a little more about what you think of it? Please -- and thank you!



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Okay -- glad you found the disconnect! It's probably my fault -- I confuse myself sometimes. Doesn't help that I try not to look at or think too much about those pics... no more than absolutely necessary for the discussion at hand!!!



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:59 PM
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Besides being another strange youtube video, the maker basically does a photoshop unmasking thing that removes most of what's in the picture to try and show how it was photoshopped. It's kind of hard to explain what he does but you end up with a picture of just Paddock.
edit on 8-10-2017 by abrown because: (no reason given)


I should add its the picture of Paddock and his girlfriend.
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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 11:00 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: dashen

Yeah, we need more things to second guess about. New things.


That made me laugh -- thank you!

And with that, I'm going to bed and try to forget all of this for a while. My hubby isn't happy at all that I spent all weekend on this thread. I told him it was for national security purposes, but somehow he wasn't impressed... go figure!



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 11:10 PM
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If this supposed tattoo on his neck is not just skin and illusion of light and shadow and the body double guy dead pictured on the floor as a scapegoat fall guy, I gotta say they did a perfect body double but how amateurish to leave out the glaring obvious to all with a 13 tattooed onto the neck. Elaborate professional fail? or just a bad photo?



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