About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: pale5218

The same thing happened on 9-11, just see who picks up the puts.
I don't think the airline's puts were ever picked up.

Never heard of this guy, but throwing it into the mix:

MGM’s Jim Murren and George Soros Are Co-Conspirators In the Mandalay Bay Massacre

www.thecommonsenseshow.com...

I want to point out that there is a faint trail of blood drops across Paddock's shirt, and it connects with a trail in the carpet at his shoulder and leads up to the revolver above him, and then there is also blood on the revolver. Where the trail ends is not clear, from the photo, but that is certainly odd and I cannot come up with a reason why that would happen if he shot himself.

It looks like someone with blood saturating and dripping from their hands held that revolver, had it above the body at some point, and perhaps even fired it...and then set it on the floor above the body.

One thought: Campos? Maybe after having put his hand on his injured leg?

I don't know, but I can't make immediate/obvious sense of that blood trail.

(Would love to post a link to the pic, but I think we are not supposed to.)

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: pale5218

The same thing happened on 9-11, just see who picks up the puts.
I don't think the airline's puts were ever picked up.

And the BP oil spill?

a reply to: judydawg

Wynn and some other casinos have had heavier security for a couple of years already.

Maybe this last week just exposed some of it.

Here's an article quoting Steve Wynn a year ago.

Metal detectors etc etc already there.

Vegas hotel security is largely a secret — but not at the Wynn

originally posted by: sled735
Have you all seen this yet? Due to copyright, I can't share anything here. I'm not even allowed to tell you what is in the video. You have to click on the link and watch it, and read the information from there. I think it's worth a look.

Check this out!

Thank you for sharing. That is an interesting angle to this whole situation. Definitely, food for thought.

You know the picture that we have of the crime scene is just not right. Those curtains should be black as someone else previously said and there should be thousands of rounds. Maybe the second room shows such and we do not know.

The thing written about rigor isn't true...it sets in after an hour and it doesn't stay at room temp. It goes away in ... I can't remember 2 hours? I'm a veterinary tech. So lots of animals.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: judydawg

Wynn and some other casinos have had heavier security for a couple of years already.

Maybe this last week just exposed some of it.

Here's an article quoting Steve Wynn a year ago.

Metal detectors etc etc already there.

Vegas hotel security is largely a secret — but not at the Wynn

Steve Wynn dropped Ray Kelly's name in an interview saying he was also involved in setting up some of the security measures now in place at Wynn Resorts. He did not seem to want to give too many details regarding the nature of some of those techniques. K2 Intelligence is the company Kelly is now involved with.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
I want to point out that there is a faint trail of blood drops across Paddock's shirt, and it connects with a trail in the carpet at his shoulder and leads up to the revolver above him, and then there is also blood on the revolver. Where the trail ends is not clear, from the photo, but that is certainly odd and I cannot come up with a reason why that would happen if he shot himself.

It looks like someone with blood saturating and dripping from their hands held that revolver, had it above the body at some point, and perhaps even fired it...and then set it on the floor above the body.

One thought: Campos? Maybe after having put his hand on his injured leg?

I don't know, but I can't make immediate/obvious sense of that blood trail.

(Would love to post a link to the pic, but I think we are not supposed to.)

So are you speculating the security guard who miraculous only suffered a small non fatal leg wound, may have been the actual Mandalay shooter...setting up the scene...shot himself in the leg...then alerted cops to the room and thus SWAT?

If not, your post certainly made that seem like a possible scenario, don't you think? Maybe he wasn't quite the hero after all?

It's weird they are not showing any casino and hotel surveillance footage of him during that weekend. It's tough to say if he was just a madman or there is a conspiracy.

Why does the daily mail have so many updates? Are they reliable? Here is something new:

One of his prositutes comes forward

a reply to: CynConcepts

I am speculating Campos and other men dressed as security were in on this as possible lookouts, stallers, and shooters.

There is more than one eyewitness account of men dressed in security jackets being chased by police and shot dead even!

And I also think Campos' story is stretched, strained, forced, and it's ever-changing.

Plus, he would be incredibly stupid to try to get in the hotel room door before he radioed for back up...and that is the official story, at this point.

Also, 200 rounds through the door in those photos...seems highly implausible. Only 8-10 bullet holes are visible.

Gah..the entire Campos story is beyond belief!


ETA: Not to be a broken record, but I do think it would be a clever plan for any *real culprits* to have security jackets on hand so that they would not arouse suspicion at that room, or with guns, and could maybe even blend in as first responders (like Campos) if anyone saw him/them.

a reply to: CynConcepts

Also, I wonder if Paddock was on to the set up, knew he was being made a patsy and managed to shoot Campos in the leg...and that was what went awry.

Just speculating, of course.

a reply to: tiredoflooking

Once the heart stops beating, blood collects in the most dependent parts of the body (livor mortis), the body stiffens (rigor mortis), and the body begins to cool (algor mortis).


 
The blood begins to settle in the parts of the body that are the closest to the ground, usually the buttocks and back when a corpse is supine. The skin, normally pink-colored because of the oxygen-laden blood in the capillaries, becomes pale as the blood drains into the larger veins. Within minutes to hours after death, the skin is discolored by livor mortis, or what embalmers call "postmortem stain," the purple-red discoloration from blood accumulating in the lowermost (dependent) blood vessels. Immediately after death, the blood is "unfixed" and will move to other body parts if the body's position is changed. After a few hours, the pooled blood becomes "fixed" and will not move. Pressing on an area of discoloration can determine this; if it blanches (turns white) easily, then the blood remains unfixed. Livor mortis is usually most pronounced eight to twelve hours after death. The skin, no longer under muscular control, succumbs to gravity, forming new shapes and accentuating prominent bones still further. The body then begins to cool.

At the moment of death, the muscles relax completely—a condition called "primary flaccidity." The muscles then stiffen, perhaps due to coagulation of muscle proteins or a shift in the muscle's energy containers (ATP-ADP), into a condition known as rigor mortis. All of the body's muscles are affected. Rigor mortis begins within two to six hours of death, starting with the eyelids, neck, and jaw. This sequence may be due to the difference in lactic acid levels among different muscles, which corresponds to the difference in glycogen levels and to the different types of muscle fibers. Over the next four to six hours, rigor mortis spreads to the other muscles, including those in the internal organs such as the heart. The onset of rigor mortis is more rapid if the environment is cold and if the decedent had performed hard physical work just before death. Its onset also varies with the individual's age, sex, physical condition, and muscular build.

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I became curious about the rigor mortis aspect. The above page has a lot more details on the specifics...but it does seem that even if the LE turned his body over...showing the discoloring on the neck means that he had to be dead at least 2 hours earlier according to known postmortem blood collecting.

Is it possible the security guard only had to turn the body over and then shot him him the mouth for the fresher blood to congeal in the next hour before anyone else entered? Hmmm...

Edit add:
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I am actually thinking after looking at the pic again that Paddock was dead already 2-4 hours before security guard arrived. If guard didn't shoot himself and Paddock was already dead...who did?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

The revolver actually looks like it's laying ON TOP of the trail of blood drops.

I have a redacted pic point ing this out and I am tempted to post it. But for now, if anyone is interested, let me know and I will happily share via private message.

a reply to: worsaw
I am kind of hung up on the windows too.

I was confused when all they kept showing were the 2 broken windows on the same floor, when the night of the incident they were showing a different picture of three open windows and on 2 levels.

I thought I had remembered it wrong when the next day, and since, the only pictures where the pictures of the 32nd floor. Until I found the original picture that I saw today in a YouTube video earlier today.

originally posted by: game over man
It's weird they are not showing any casino and hotel surveillance footage of him during that weekend. It's tough to say if he was just a madman or there is a conspiracy.

Why does the daily mail have so many updates? Are they reliable? Here is something new:

One of his prositutes comes forward

The Daily Mail says the note had phone numbers on it.
Has that info actually been released by officials?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I was confused when all they kept showing were the 2 broken windows on the same floor, when the night of the incident they were showing a different picture of three open windows and on 2 levels

I saw that too. Just once. And not since.

I haven't seen anyone else mention it since either -- until you.

a reply to: butcherguy

According to one report, quoting a CBS "60 Minutes" interview to air tonight, a K9 officer who was among the first to enter the room says he saw trajectory calculations on the paper.

I've also seen phone numbers, coordinates, random numbers, and just "numbers" reported.

a reply to: Boadicea
This video shows the original pictures they were showing the night of the incident.

The next day the these are the pictures they were showing.

*Courtesy of diggindirt.

www.businessinsider.com...

Something I find odd. At the GoFundMe page set up by Campos' self-identified co-worker, she registered the page under the name "Liliana Rodriguez," and in the "story" description, calls herself "Lilly." Why would she add an extra "L"? Why not "Lily" or even "Lili" true to her name?

Also, even weirder, the page is called "Because we all go home together." Go home where???

Maybe nothing... maybe something.