About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: IAMTAT

On that note...if the tankers were intended targets, what property would have been destroyed? Who owns it and what details about property insurance might be relevant and interesting?

a reply to: xuenchen

Newton has been on the roster since before 2004, his picture wasn’t there though. The Bitsko guy was there in 2004 also but no picture, then disappears off the roster until the most recent one, still no picture.

a reply to: erikthegreen

And Campos had a radio...instead of radioing for backup first, he approaches the door and *maybe* tries to open it?

It is plausible...just not realistic or logical. In fact, it's madness.

originally posted by: rowdyrich
a reply to: xuenchen

Newton has been on the roster since before 2004, his picture wasn’t there though. The Bitsko guy was there in 2004 also but no picture, then disappears off the roster until the most recent one, still no picture.

Do you have links to where you found this info? TIA!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

That concert area is absolutely primo real estate.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I don’t know how to link anything but

Use wayback machine and put in Vegas K-9 units, they are archived there

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Boadicea

Possible photo of Campos...

Link

I noticed the story I linked to quotes Campos' "family members." Just a generic reference, no names. How did the media find them...no info given.

It's ridiculously vague.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: xuenchen
p.s.
other Members, focus on "Jesus Campos" and "security guard"
you are 3 or 4 steps away from figuring part of this out

ETA: Xuenchen, If you want to PM me anything, I will take it seriously!

I'm getting lots of PMs.

So far, you are getting closer than anyone else.

Do some "verifying" of "Jesus Campos".

Hint: What would you "verify" first ?

I'm shutting up now.

Why would you know anything?

Don't even ask.

You really don't want to know.

Oh good lord. You've got quite the fantasy life, huh?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Exactly, at this point, he has to know the shots were coming from here right?

Anyways, from Xue his whole involvement is suspect so we are apparently still way off....

Knock or attempted pry?

Explosion or not?

Why was he there alone?

Was there some large scale theft going on at the same time?

Feels like a scooby doo episode...

a reply to: roccodog

Thank you for sharing your thoughts... I sure hope you don't expect answers from me though! I'm asking questions and trying to figure this out myself!!!

Just because it has a bipod mounted on it, doesn't mean he can't just pick it up and fire from shoulder level. It's not a fixed mount to the floor.

True, he could pick it up... but did he? If he had, wouldn't the holes in the door be much higher? It seems to me that the location of the bullet holes in the door below the door handle would suggest he was either shooting from a ground position upwards, that he was kneeling and shooting straight ahead, or that he was standing and shooting downwards. Of those three options, it seems to me that shooting from the ground with a bipod mounted weapon would be the safest position for the shooter if someone on the other side of the door would fire back. I could be wrong though. Thoughts?

Also, firing it from the bipod on the floor would also mean he had to lay down on the floor to operate the weapon. Doesn't seem like the most comfortable position to do that...

I don't think comfort was a consideration. Perhaps safety was a bigger concern? It seems to me that laying on the floor would be his best option to avoid gunfire coming from the other side of the door.

...especially if he was reacting to someone coming in the door behind him WHILE he was shooting at the crowd. Also, with cameras not working as stated, how did he even realize someone had entered the room while shooting a very loud full auto weapon onto the crowd below? It's not like you would necessarily hear Campos opening the door after having fired thousands of rounds without hearing protection, would you?

There is nothing I've read stating that Campos entered the room -- only that he tried. I would also assume that the shooter would not have heard the door IF he was in the middle of shooting. However, IF the shooter did hear the sounds of Campos trying to open the door, I would also assume that he was not actively shooting at that moment.

200 rounds fired through the door? Then why did the police have to blow the door at all? It would have been hanging in splinters with 200 rounds from about what, 20 feet away?

We've all asked the same question. Perhaps the key card wasn't working? Perhaps because the door was barricaded?

If you've ever shot anything, you would know that 200 rounds of even 5.56 would shred any door to pieces. That would also infer that it was a belt-fed weapon, or he had to change either weapons or magazines somewhere between 4 and 7 times, all while Campos is cowering virtually unhurt in the hallway? Seems a little hard to swallow.

I can't speak to the firearms. I know what has been reported and documented. If you look at the pictures of the doors to the suite, you can see that the one door is intact. The other door is placed sideways across the entry, with the lower half virtually entirely hidden by the intact door, and only a few bullet holes visible. That's what we've got to work with.

The note having "ballistic information" on it seems weak, at best. Anyone who's ever fired a weapon system more than once or twice, especially if they own said system, will have some idea (if not exactly) the ballistics and performance of that weapon system at a given range. It simply has to do with familiarity of shooting/owning guns, which he is purported to have had.

That may be true... to one extent or another... but it seems to me that shooting downward from a distance is not necessarily common. Also, if he was in fact targeting the tanks, aim and trajectory would be far more important than shooting into a mass of people.

Lastly, if the tanks were indeed his real target...

Perhaps his first target, but not necessarily his only target.

...and he had ample time to set up this shooting (as it appears he did), then all he has to do is zero the weapon at the range which he obtained from Google Earth or any other such websites beforehand, and take those shots first.

Which it has been said that he did, according to the Las Vegas Review Journal.

This would not affect the trajectory into the crowd as he could either use one of the other rifles for that, or simply spray into the crowd to inflict casualties. At that point, he wouldn't have to aim at individuals, just hold the weapon generally on the crowd to hit victims.

Agreed, so most likely any calculations would have been for the targeting of the tanks from the bedroom window, as opposed to the targeting of the concert from the living area window.

a reply to: xuenchen

Are you saying the blast came from inside the room rather than at the front door?

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: Boadicea


If they waited for SWAT to respond (60+ minutes), why were the first four cops in the room two K-9 officers and two LVMPD Detectives?

Or am I missing something?

Do LV Detectives or K-9 roll with breaching charges? Are LV SWAT teams made up of adhoc units on scene?

I believe they would have been among the first in the room. Not necessarily "thee" first in the room. As near as I can tell, there were five cops in the stairwell intially, joined by five SWAT members, and another four officers -- so 14 officers total. At least that's what I've gotten from the police audio.

I'm still looking into all this...

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: KansasGirl



I'm not going to blow this wide open.

Somebody else has to connect the dots.

Why not? Why aren't you going to blow this thing open?

Why must someone else connect the dots?

Waiting for an actual answer......

originally posted by: rowdyrich
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I don’t know how to link anything but

Use wayback machine and put in Vegas K-9 units, they are archived there

Found it.

Sooo....

Currently, Bitsko is listed with the following bio and no pic:


Link

I can find no record of him at the waybackmachine.

I archived the most recent capture (March 2017) here:

archive.is...

But going back further...I still can't find him.

A sergeant who has done two stints on the force, but no mention of him until now...it's curious.

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I used this web address to find the captures at the waybackmachine for anyone else interested:

www.lvmpdk9.com:80/meet-lvmpd-k9-unit/index.php

a reply to: MotherMayEye

who is forcing LVPD to do a coverup?
will the new additions be same ones who will give "first hand accounts"

I watched an interview with Steve Wynn, Chairman & CEO of Wynn Resorts. He is familiar with this couple, and they were well known to employees and personnel in the casinos, restaurants, spas, and other facilities that offer a multitude of amenities to regulars such as them. He said they were as "vanilla" as anyone could be.

The only thing that stuck out to all was that in all the years of frequenting Las Vegas casinos, hotels, restaurants, etc. NOBODY ever noticed either one take a drink of alcohol.....not one time. Of course, lots of people do not imbibe, but it adds an extra dimension to the theory that he may have been radicalized to Islam.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: MotherMayEye

That concert area is absolutely primo real estate.

Well maybe. There were hotels that were there. They went bankrupt and were demolished. If I recall correctly the about two years ago the city purchased the lots and the last time I was out there they were clearing and building the venue. So its not exactly a hot location. The casino market is down right now.

originally posted by: queenofswords
I watched an interview with Steve Wynn, Chairman & CEO of Wynn Resorts. He is familiar with this couple, and they were well known to employees and personnel in the casinos, restaurants, spas, and other facilities that offer a multitude of amenities to regulars such as them. He said they were as "vanilla" as anyone could be.

The only thing that stuck out to all was that in all the years of frequenting Las Vegas casinos, hotels, restaurants, etc. NOBODY ever noticed either one take a drink of alcohol.....not one time. Of course, lots of people do not imbibe, but it adds an extra dimension to the theory that he may have been radicalized to Islam.

Seems an odd detail to *recall* considering this photo of him with a shot glass in his hand.

Maybe they are pushing a false radicalized/ISIS narrative?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Boadicea

One would think the door would have been shredded after 200 shots through it (although it didn't appear shredded), and no explosives would be necessary to open it...

I get that. I was just noting the discrepancies in the different versions.

Is it possible that the lower half of the door that's hidden behind the other door is shredded? I don't know, but it seems to me that if the weapon on the bipod were used from a ground position in an upwards position, that the bullets would be in the right place, and be very concentrated. I don't know that's what happened, but it seems consistent with what we're seeing.

...especially with the key card.

Unless the door that locks and unlocks was barricaded from the inside as reported. And if something were placed in front of it, that might explain why there are no bullet holes in that door.

Also, Paddock's body was positioned so that it was clearly visible at that doorway. Police were there for an hour and never saw it through any of the many bullet holes?

I don't see that. As I look at the floor plan and location of the door, the body is positioned to the right of anyone entering the suite. The officers would have to be well into the suite in order to see his body. I can't find the article and diagram you linked to this morning, but here's another diagram: New York Times

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Boadicea

Possible photo of Campos...

Link

Be careful believing anything from a local TV report.