About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: Boadicea
About two "thousand feet away", beihind the venue, slightly off angle to the venue itself. Has anyone yet considered those were ricochets? Theres probably a number of those down range, considering how many rounds he fired.

Caibre, .308 is fully capable of reaching beyond that, even by ricochet.

I agree he didn't 'target' those specifically in order to start them burning. He didn't appear to have tracer, armor piercing, or incendiary ammunition. Military ammunition includes API, (A)rmor (P)iercing (I)ncendiary rounds. They employ a copper jacket, hardened center steel penetrator, and explosive tipped incendiary mix for just that purpose.

Even armor piercing bullets alone might have accomplished that, because when they strike steel they shower sparks.

That there is only two bullet impacts on the tanks shows he didn't try very hard, he had the wrong ammo (he would know this), thusly would have to fire many more rounds at the tanks hoping to start a leak and strike sparks to ignite the fuel. Which was kerosene anyway and not likely to ignite from just civilian ammunition. (lead , covered by copper full metal jacket).

Imo, those impacts on the tanks were from ricochets.

And lastly again, bullet drop is not material to the kind of firing he was undertaking (into the venue) with those arms, at those range, under those conditions.

I see we're still defending the police statement that the 'note' wasn't a 'note'

Can't really tell can we.

a reply to: Boadicea

Link to story archive

That archive was from Oct 4.

Haven't had a chance to compare for changes yet.

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: xuenchen

CAMPOS was the second shooter???

No.

a reply to: Boadicea

You're warm.

Get to the next step.

a reply to: firerescue

The Las Vegas casinos and hotels have lots of security people that rotate between different casinos.

Most are surveillance contractors or corporate security employees.

Many are plain clothes undercover.

Lots of theft happens in the casinos.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: MotherMayEye

friends4lvk9.com...

Do you see it yet?

Next step is to try to find older pages of that website.

Like waybackmachine.

Verify the same names and pictures and "information" are there from maybe a month ago.

a reply to: xuenchen

I wish I was that savvy to find out when pages were updated and how long they've been up. Someone should know.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Boadicea

Link to story archive

That archive was from Oct 4.

Thank you! Here's the quote from the archived version:

Paddock had somehow blocked stairwell doors leading to the hallway outside of his room, Hickey said, meaning Campos had to take the elevator on his quest to find the source of the gunfire that was killing dozens below. The door to the room itself was also barricaded, Campos found when he tried to open it, just before the bullets came through the door.

Nothing about knocking on the door.
And there is nothing about "200 shots" at officers in this version; only this:

Police officers who subsequently approached the room received gunfire and backed off until SWAT responded, Lombardo said.

The police audio has nothing about this. Rather, when police officers first arrived, they were told to wait for SWAT.

Does anyone know if the Broadcastify audio is complete? Are there other channels officers could have been communicating on that were not known/recorded?

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: firerescue

The Las Vegas casinos and hotels have lots of security people that rotate between different casinos.

Most are surveillance contractors or corporate security employees.

Many are plain clothes undercover.

Lots of theft happens in the casinos.

Yes, this.

And, no way does every police/SWAT/security guard person know each other in Las Vegas. And they probably wouldn't think much of not recognizing a security guard.

Besides, ordinary people wouldn't know the difference between a real security guard, a nice one, a bad one, or a fake one just wearing a security jacket. And any *real shooters/accomplices* would not want to be ID'd by any ordinary person either.

a reply to: xuenchen

Talking Blackwater?

a reply to: Boadicea

So what about "Jesus Campos" should people be concluding now ?

You're close.

But not many are seeing it.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Boadicea

You're warm.

Get to the next step.

Grrrrrrrr!!! I'm trying!!!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye

If he was using that gun right there on the bipod, angled slightly upwards, perhaps he had it set up on the floor at the other end of the hall leading into the room, would that keep the bullets within that limited range? Maybe somewhere between the door knob and the floor?

Also, the doors along the corridor are recessed -- fairly deep. At least a foot -- maybe 14 or 16" even. It seems reasonable to me that the security guard could have pressed himself into one of the recesses and escaped the gunfire. And especially if the range of fire was relatively limited to the center of the hall, as it appears.

The security guard also reportedly has a key card for entering the rooms. I'm assuming a universal card, not just for the gunman's room. He could have opened a room door and entered for all we know -- either trying to escape the gunman or escape the police!

Just because it has a bipod mounted on it, doesn't mean he can't just pick it up and fire from shoulder level. It's not a fixed mount to the floor. Also, firing it from the bipod on the floor would also mean he had to lay down on the floor to operate the weapon. Doesn't seem like the most comfortable position to do that, especially if he was reacting to someone coming in the door behind him WHILE he was shooting at the crowd. Also, with cameras not working as stated, how did he even realize someone had entered the room while shooting a very loud full auto weapon onto the crowd below? It's not like you would necessarily hear Campos opening the door after having fired thousands of rounds without hearing protection, would you?

200 rounds fired through the door? Then why did the police have to blow the door at all? It would have been hanging in splinters with 200 rounds from about what, 20 feet away? If you've ever shot anything, you would know that 200 rounds of even 5.56 would shred any door to pieces. That would also infer that it was a belt-fed weapon, or he had to change either weapons or magazines somewhere between 4 and 7 times, all while Campos is cowering virtually unhurt in the hallway? Seems a little hard to swallow.

The note having "ballistic information" on it seems weak, at best. Anyone who's ever fired a weapon system more than once or twice, especially if they own said system, will have some idea (if not exactly) the ballistics and performance of that weapon system at a given range. It simply has to do with familiarity of shooting/owning guns, which he is purported to have had.

Lastly, if the tanks were indeed his real target and he had ample time to set up this shooting (as it appears he did), then all he has to do is zero the weapon at the range which he obtained from Google Earth or any other such websites beforehand, and take those shots first. This would not affect the trajectory into the crowd as he could either use one of the other rifles for that, or simply spray into the crowd to inflict casualties. At that point, he wouldn't have to aim at individuals, just hold the weapon generally on the crowd to hit victims.

These are just some of my observations after having read through your thread.

a reply to: Boadicea


If they waited for SWAT to respond (60+ minutes), why were the first four cops in the room two K-9 officers and two LVMPD Detectives?

Or am I missing something?

Do LV Detectives or K-9 roll with breaching charges? Are LV SWAT teams made up of adhoc units on scene?

a reply to: roccodog

Crap! Can't get the quote thing right. Sorry

a reply to: 200Plus

Oh, wow duh. Yea, why were there x2 k9 officers as the first in?

a reply to: Boadicea

One would think the door would have been shredded after 200 shots through it (although it didn't appear shredded), and no explosives would be necessary to open it...especially with the key card.

Also, Paddock's body was positioned so that it was clearly visible at that doorway. Police were there for an hour and never saw it through any of the many bullet holes?

It makes me wonder what the heck they were looking at during the hour they were just gathered in the hallway waiting for SWAT.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Many "visible" security guards wear suits and ties and are unarmed.

Lots are uniformed.

Most armed guards are not visible to the customers.

The guards are the ones who transfer large sums of money (chips, and cash boxes from the tables and slot machines) to and from the casino tables.

They are followed on camera by surveillance and armed guards are always close enough to respond to robbery attempts (happens occasionally).

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: xuenchen

Talking Blackwater?

Outside possibility.

a reply to: Boadicea

Another difference in the stories is that newer version says Campos was responding to an 'open door alarm' and the older version says he went to locate where the shots were being fired from.

I don't know why there would be an 'open door alarm', at all, if the doors were barricaded shut.