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About the Vegas Killer... newest info

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posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea
Very interesting info!


I was in the crowd wondering how in the world that security guard could have escaped with only a bullet to the thigh. It kept nagging at me until I read someone's post that referred to an inset of the doorway to the "second room." I went looking for an interior view of the hallway and found this:
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It clearly shows that the room doors are inset, allowing him to duck into one of them and avoid death.

I'm still waiting to see any video of the hallway that took 200 rounds.
edit on 7-10-2017 by diggindirt because: addition

edit on 7-10-2017 by diggindirt because: addition




posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 02:34 AM
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originally posted by: diggindirt

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: xuenchen

The MSM has now replaced the half-way decent reporters covering Las Vegas press conferences, with those who barely passed journalism 101. Their questions frustrate law enforcement more than Paddock has.

"Mr. Sherriff. Would the, err.. explosives like blow-up if he got into a car accident?"


I think the fact that he had no social media presence has absolutely confounded the msm. They are so accustomed to doing their "sleuthing" online that they have no idea how to really investigate and report.


The liberal MSM is dying to get back to Russian Collusion and anything Anti-Trump, as quickly as they can.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 04:35 AM
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What would be a scenario which would explain the majority of the findings?

How about the person found in the room being an 'arms dealer'? He is in contact at times with some seedy individuals.

Lord of War has some similarities.

He brings the large number of firearms to the room when he only really needs a few. Why so many?

Has anyone said anything about the lack of security camera videos showing the 'suspect' bringing things (13 large suitcases?)

Perhaps a 'gun runner' - gone wrong' scenario is plausible? I have not followed this as closely as I might, having been busy with schoolwork.

Thoughts?



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 04:45 AM
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a reply to: Maverick7

Maybe this was an arms sale - and that is what Paddock did to earn his money.
The sale went south and he was pissed off... later that night he just snapped at the loud music and went mental.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 04:46 AM
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a reply to: Maverick7

Mandalay Bay and like 22 other casinos do not have security cameras in their elevators, stairwells or on the guest floors. They only have them for the gaming floors and critical areas, like money storage.

Casinos make their money thru gaming and not guest stays.
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posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 04:56 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Maverick7

Mandalay Bay and like 22 other casinos do not have security cameras in their elevators, stairwells or on the guest floors. They only have them for the gaming floors and critical areas, like money storage.

Casinos make their money thru gaming and not guest stays.


I suspect that may be changing real soon.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 05:03 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Maverick7

Mandalay Bay and like 22 other casinos do not have security cameras in their elevators, stairwells or on the guest floors. They only have them for the gaming floors and critical areas, like money storage.

Casinos make their money thru gaming and not guest stays.


I suspect that may be changing real soon.


yeah. I see cameras, metal detectors and armed security.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 05:23 AM
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originally posted by: Maverick7
What would be a scenario which would explain the majority of the findings?

One that most people would refuse to believe because it is just too evil.

originally posted by: Maverick7
How about the person found in the room being an 'arms dealer'? He is in contact at times with some seedy individuals.

Lord of War has some similarities.

He brings the large number of firearms to the room when he only really needs a few. Why so many?

In order to create the false impression that he was intent on mass murder.

originally posted by: Maverick7
Has anyone said anything about the lack of security camera videos showing the 'suspect' bringing things (13 large suitcases?)

Yes. The clever view is that the weapons were brought in via service lifts, not through the main entrance because that would invite too much attention.

originally posted by: Maverick7
Perhaps a 'gun runner' - gone wrong' scenario is plausible? I have not followed this as closely as I might, having been busy with schoolwork.

Thoughts?

The notion that Paddock was a gun runner and had to bring dozens of weapons into a high-profile hotel in order to sell them illegally is plain ludicrous. Instead, this points towards an alphabet agency's pathetic attempt to create a false scenario among the unthinking masses as a way of hiding their black op so as to manipulate the American public. Their problem is that their patsy (who was buried up to his neck in black op defense projects) had no credible motive to do what they want people to believe. He had no strong political or religious views and he was not psychologically deranged or taking strong drugs.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 05:28 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Maverick7

Maybe this was an arms sale - and that is what Paddock did to earn his money.
The sale went south and he was pissed off... later that night he just snapped at the loud music and went mental.

No. That does not explain why so many bullets were available to be fired. That implies a motive to massacre. You just don't bring into a hotel room hundreds and hundreds of rounds just because you want to sell a a couple of dozen guns! Let's get real, can we?



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 06:39 AM
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a reply to: mkultra11


If you look at the picture you'll see that his body is on top of a weapon and there's one at his feet, I think on a stand over his foot, if I remember correctly. So how was he positioned to kill himself? I don't doubt he did it or anything, but it seems what they are getting to the public lacks details. There's definitely more to it here and I think his brother knows all about it. Or maybe it was him doing the mind blown gesture 500 times in his interview.


I have seen that pic. I can't figure it out either. I'm not even sure how to place him in the room when looking at the floorplan of the room. But I guess we should also figure that if Paddock was the gunman, that he had to leave his position at the window to shoot through the door? It's not adding up, but we're missing a lot of information.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 06:45 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

It has been suggested many times that the police rolled him over onto his back to check for signs of life. It is normal procedure apparently which would account for the strange positioning



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

There is a link showing photos of the revolver he shot himself with. You're right, they're bloody.


The revolver is new info to me -- thank you. I've heard about ARs and AKs and Rugers... but not a revolver.


I could link the site wth a warning or try to clip out the image of the revolver appearing in the photo...


If you do, I'll take a gander... but don't do it just on my account.


I also been digging into his pilots status, the planes he owned, their features.

Probably deserving of a thread of its own.

Not now though, maybe in the early AM


If you do, again, I'll check it out. It might be interesting to compare and contrast with this info --

Las Vegas shooter took 20 cruises, some to foreign ports

There might be a pattern there. Or he might just have liked the gambling on the cruises.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Maverick7

Maybe this was an arms sale - and that is what Paddock did to earn his money.
The sale went south...


Things that are difficult to explain. Please hold the 'get real' comments. Nobody is trying to insist this or that scenario happened, or that is more likely. It's a DISCUSSION not a contest.

1. Why so many guns?
2. How many trips would one need to make to get all of that up there?
3. How does someone get the 'nerve' to take a sledge hammer (allegedly) and smash out two big high-rise windows? That kind of thick safety glass is dangerous (unless it crumbles like auto safety glass).
4. Do we know that they were blasted out from inside? Is there evidence of glass shards or fragments on the ground? Any inside the room?
5. He apparently wore those gloves we see all the time due to allergies. How convenient there can now be no fingerprint traces, not GSW traces on the body.
6. Why and how was the connecting door apparently locked from that side? If it's a 'close and lock' sure but if it's a turn bolt lock, it would have to be locked from the other side.
7. According to one report the SWAT team did not hear the gunshot, a gunshot when they came near the room and breached it. The fatal wound occurred sometime earlier. How much earlier?

The time of the shooting was only 10 minutes, according to reports. 10:05 to 10:15. How did this happen? In other words are we to believe one person ran from one end of the room through the connecting suite and fired each gun successively?

This sounds as though there needed to be at minimum three people. Two to help transport bags to the room over a few days, one to go back and forth from the hotel to his house an hour away. Again, not suggesting this happened.

If there were shooting platforms why go to all that trouble? it does not sound like the person 'snapped'. The set up was too 'constructed'.

One idea would be that the suspect was actually abducted or held in the room after he was lured into bringing up all of those firearms to be sold to some organization and they turned on him.

The idea that he was possibly a gunrunner is that the concept of him making a lot of money with a few real estate deals is not that plausible. You just don't turn a profit that high to allow the person to make all of his family 'rich' according to the brother. Not impossible but it might make sense he had some kind of 'illegal trade' (like gun running) which brings in a lot of money quickly.

Is it plausible that the 'brother' knows nothing. There are some signs the brother is 'talking too much', IOW, people trying to misdirect or 'sell a story' talk a lot. People who don't know anything say few words. They're typically sad. Is there any evidence of microexpressions of 'duping delight'? I think the brother's comments should be checked for veracity and truth by a body language expert.

Anyway, just some random thoughts. As I said I'm not really following the story that closely. My friend told me about the door and the platforms and the real estate and we hit upon an idea of gun running being somehow involved. Meh, I wonder if we'll ever know anything.

Good thread guys. Be nice, be helpful. No need for insults or contempt.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: Boadicea
I'm still trying to catch up on these threads so this may have been addressed already but... It seems that the one interview that was done by the reporter with the girl---the one who said someone told them they were all going to die---was a girl looking to get on TV on her 21st birthday (despite the fact that she looked to be about 16 to this old lady's eyes.)

Not another single soul has come forth to collaborate that story about the doom sayer....Nobody seems to be able to identify the girl in the video who was telling about the "You're all going to die" couple.


Yeah, about that... the girl's name has always been known -- Brianna Hendricks -- so why has the media made her out to be as mysterious as the woman supposedlly warning everyone they would die? That doesn't sit right with me. And this doesn't either:

Witness walks back claim that mysterious woman warned Vegas crowd an hour before shooting

So who did this girl decide to "walk back" her claim to? Snopes! Need I say more? Actually, yes, I do need to say more because she didn't actually "walk back" anything:

“When it first happened, and it was reported that there were three shooters surrounding the area, I believed that this lady was telling us that there was going to be a shooting. But after finding out that there was only a single shooter, it’s harder to believe that she would have known.

“So I don’t believe now, looking at it, that she was telling us that there was going to be a shooting,” she continued. “I think it was just a statement that maybe she felt like she needed to throw out there because this lady would not let her into the front of the concert.”


That's not walking back the story of the woman... at most, the girl is just brushing it off as unrelated. And to that extent it's just opinion anyway. She has no investigatory powers or classified information about it all. She is not qualified to judge who that woman is or what her intentions were or what she knew or did not know.

Why did no one try to interview her friends that she was with and get more details? Or find out if the girl was lying? I'm far more disturbed by the lack of attention and follow-up by the media. But I am presuming that LE has investigated and followed up. And that's who I want to hear about it from.


If security escorted them out it would seem that security would surely remember escorting a person who was predicting death and destruction---unless the security guard who escorted them out was one of the off-duty deputies who was killed when the shooting started. Maybe the cops just haven't tracked her down yet---or maybe they have and she admitted that she made it up.


I'm sure the cops know who she is and have already interviewed her. But they're not talking.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 07:50 AM
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About the alleged "bookings" of other hotels---I spoke today with a person who is quite familiar with the systems used by the big hotels. She says that those "bookings" could have been added to the reservations list anytime---after the fact and it would take a pretty savvy computer nerd to find when the "reservations" were actually put into the system. It would also make a difference if the reservations were done on-line or on the phone.


Thank you! I've been wondering about that since it was reported that Paddock was quite "belligerent" and insistent on that room overlooking Lollapalooza, especially the whole "I met my wife there..." The more I think about it, the more suspicious it sounds. Sometimes less is more, ya know? And it's Chicago. That sets alarm bells off as well.


Of course, her theory is that this is a deep state operation and the Las Vegas police are being led around by the FBI, Homeland Security, ATF, and all those other alphabet agencies who have "reason" to be there. She swears that she could go into their system and do backdated reservations, print it up and hand it to the cops and they would never go look to see when the data was entered. Her belief is that if she can do it, any government spook wanting to lay false trails could do it.


I don't think she's too far off. The FBI is definitely not happy with the LVMPD. And vice versa. For example, I read last night that the feds found the vehicle they were looking for at the house in Reno when they searched it Tuesday... but did not tell LVMPD this until Thursday. Why? I know the FBI isn't happy with Sheriff Lombardo for stating he believes there were accomplices -- and the next press conference was done by an undersheriff instead. I suspect Paddock was working for the Feds -- either on or off the record. I do think something went sideways, and the Feds are in full-scale cover-up mode. I have more faith in the local LE. This is personal to them.


I'm still hoping to find out where his plane was parked on Sunday night and in what condition of readiness for a flight. We were initially told that he owned two planes but now it comes out that he had sold one of them.... Makes me wonder about a lot of things...


That is an interesting line of thought. Intrptr mentioned making a thread about his planes. If I see it, I'll be sure to let you know.


I know that after listening to several "alternative" media shows there are as many theories as there are hosts and guests and all---every one I have heard thus far has clung to the same theory they began to spout at the beginning.... I have yet to hear one say that anything presented has made him/her change their mind. They are, just like msm, twisting themselves into pretzels to try to make their theory fit even if well-known common sense facts contradict them.


I've noticed that too. It's really a shame isn't it? Of course there are those "alt" media who are just pretending and are really mainstream as can be... but even those who should know better can't seem to get past the nose on their face. They are determined to jump on anything that even slightly supports their politics, ignore anything that contradicts it, and twist anything they can to promote themselves. Just pathetic.

For what it's worth, I don't believe that anyone in our government planned and executed this.... but neither do I believe that Paddock did either. I do believe that it's part of something they are involved in that went wrong. Very very wrong. Perhaps some kind of sting operation or trying to entrap someone. I don't know. But I'm trying to figure it out!

Thanks for all you shared -- it's very much appreciated!!!



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 07:57 AM
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An open door a few rooms away from the Las Vegas suite of the man who was gunning down concertgoers at a music festival set off an alarm that prompted a response from a security guard, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Undersheriff Kevin C. McMahill said Friday.


Aha!!! Thank you!!!

That might explain the reports about him seeing a door "ajar." I kept trying to understand where that came from, because what I was reading claimed that he tried to open the door but couldn't.. this makes much more sense.

So I guess room doors left open sound an alarm? Or was it a door that shouldn't have been opened which had an alarm? Did a guest flee from the "commotion" and not close the door all the way?

Curiouser and curiouser...



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 08:04 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Maverick7

Mandalay Bay and like 22 other casinos do not have security cameras in their elevators, stairwells or on the guest floors. They only have them for the gaming floors and critical areas, like money storage.


Yet a cheap hotel near skid row in Los Angeles DOES have cameras in elevators and hallways?

The Elisa Lam case:
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Hotels put these in for liability reasons, so obviously all the Vegas casinos would have them too.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: Onlyyouknow
If you have seen the picture of the shooter dead, the one of the waist up including head. I don't think it can be linked here because of terms. If you look at that image and zoom in. There is no blood on the spent shells around his head in the pooling of his blood. This indicates he was dead before those shells were shot, or else they would have blood on them. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm......


I haven't seen those pics. Only the partial views of the lower half of the body and the left side. So thank you for sharing that. It's consistent with what I had read and mentioned earlier.

And I hate to ask this, but since you've seen the pic, the dead guy does look like it's Paddock?



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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It clearly shows that the room doors are inset, allowing him to duck into one of them and avoid death.


Okay then! That explains it -- much better than my explanation! I had no idea the doors were recessed... but I knew that the security guard was still here to tell the tale, and just worked with what I had. But this makes much more sense. Thank God for the architect who designed the recessed doors!!!



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 08:25 AM
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Their problem is that their patsy (who was buried up to his neck in black op defense projects) had no credible motive to do what they want people to believe.
a reply to: micpsi

Ahh - he worked for a defense contractor (which was later part of Lockheed-Martin) for 3 years

THAT WAS 30 YEARS AGO IN 1980's !!!!

Hardly what one would consider a "black ops "

But to the fruit loops it doesn't matter - will grasp at any straw, no matter how tenuous, to keep their conspiracy
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