About the Vegas Killer... newest info

double post

In another thread I mentioned the fact that maybe, like many of these events, some live drills were going on here

Its starting to seem that's the case

Proof of aircraft flying with transponder off during time of shooting ?

We have video of an aircraft appearing between the Mandalay Bay and the Delano when the shooting begins. This footage obviously starts after the shooting was underway. At 0:32 you can briefly see a blue light in the sky. At 1:06 while the shooting is going on we see an aircraft once again between the 2 hotels. Therefore it has been there or returned in the space of a minute or longer. Nowhere on the transponder radar does any aircraft appear in that area during that time. Someone was definitely flying with transponder off then IF the radar returns are correct. This is very, very suspicious as both times the aircraft is seen shots are heard.

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ETA: A local company, Battlefield Las Vegas loaned 3 armored cars to LVPD, not sure who manned them. This aircraft was roughly in the area where they were supposed to be meeting police around Russell road and Frank Sinatra Drive according to radio transcripts.

Battlefield Vegas

A Storm is Coming, Vegas was just the Beginning
I think this guy has some unique ideas worth considering, many I certainly hadn't thought of.

a reply to: djz3ro

I thought paddock had rented out both rooms the shooting allegedly took place from?

That's rather curious, isn't it?

But where did we hear that from? The same ones who keep changing the official story... the same ones who said he checked in Thursday, the 28th... then it was Saturday, the 30th... then it's Monday the 25th. We didn't hear it from Mandalay Bay... we didn't hear it from MGM... we didn't hear it from "Paddock"... we heard it from the same ones creating the narrative all along.

The only thing close to documentation are the "records" and "receipts" produced by Laura Loomer, and I find those suspect (1) because her source is obviously an MGM or Mandalay (disgruntled?) employee who seems to be trying very hard to pin the blame for this on MGM; (2) because others have said those records are easily fabricated after the fact and (3) we have no way to independently verify those records.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

posted this in animal's thread thought i'd post it here.

Thank you! Good catch -- and you're in good company. MotherMayEye noticed the same thing a while back, and posted a thread about it: The Las Vegas shooting and evidence of some kind of coordination.

She also slowed down the one portion where the moving light seems to interact with the stationary light on the back of the stage. In slow motion, it almost looks like the moving light bumps on the stationary light, with the previously moving light now becoming the stationary light, and the previously stationary light becoming the moving light. Others claimed it was a lens artifact or something.

She explains it much better in her thread than I can. But I think you're both on to something.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

I'm not sure what to think about the aircraft behind Mandalay Bay -- except it was clearly there. If it's an honest mistake, then my best guess is that whoever tracked the traffic didn't account for Daylight savings time, and used data for an hour before. If it's not that, then I don't know.

As far as the militia involvement with the LE response, I'm not sure what the guy's issue is, and I wonder if it's simply a regional misunderstanding. Militias are not the big bad boogeymen in the southwest that they seem to be elsewhere, and this outfit seems to be fulfilling their purpose as a citizen group of armed citizens -- all ready, willing and able to step up in a time of crisis and serve the community. From natural disasters to whatever. The ones I know personally work with law enforcement and fire and other emergency services. My husband's uncle was a member of a militia, and he was also the town's fire department chief.

I think it's great that these private and public interests worked together for the community's sake in a crisis of the freaking highest magnitude. Isn't that how it should be?

a reply to: Boadicea

I double checked the UTC and it's correct, Las Vegas is 7 hours behind.
Therefore 9:55pm Las Vegas is 4:55 AM UTC, he shows the graphic on screen.
Would other pilots have access to the flight radar returns from that time?
That would be the most interesting thing we could get our grubby little conspiratorial hands on!!

This constitutes proof of an aircraft operating behind the Mandalay Bay without their transponder on.
The fact it is visible while gunfire is heard in spaces over a minute apart is also particularly incriminating.
Nobody but black ops could get away with that and not have someone from the air traffic control leak word about it.
They may have never even seen it on either transponder or flight radar, that's a critical question.

What if a drone was operated by someone in the chopper?

The aircraft behind the MB played an important role in the night's events, of that much I feel sure.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: Boadicea

I double checked the UTC and it's correct, Las Vegas is 7 hours behind.
Therefore 9:55pm Las Vegas is 4:55 AM UTC, he shows the graphic on screen.

Well, that rules out an honest mistake. And thanks for double-checking.

Would other pilots have access to the flight radar returns from that time?
That would be the most interesting thing we could get our grubby little conspiratorial hands on!!

It certainly would. Or if anyone thought to check the radar in real-time...

This constitutes proof of an aircraft operating behind the Mandalay Bay without their transponder on.
The fact it is visible while gunfire is heard in spaces over a minute apart is also particularly incriminating.
Nobody but black ops could get away with that and not have someone from the air traffic control leak word about it.

That's for sure.

The aircraft behind the MB played an important role in the night's events, of that much I feel sure.

It may be more than one chopper. One of the first videos I watched -- and I don't remember which video now -- that was pointing out the gunfire in sync with the choppers seemed to show two helicopters traveling in circles around the venue about 180 degrees apart. So as one appeared behind the buildings another seemed to fly directly overhead. I can't find that particular video, but here's one that thinks there are three choppers:

a reply to: Boadicea

Help see if this is a connection.
Also a place in the Philippines of same name

STEPHEN PADDOCK
Active
Henderson, NV
Manager for Paradise Ranch 21, LLC

www.corporationwiki.com...

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: Boadicea

STEPHEN PADDOCK
Active
Henderson, NV
Manager for Paradise Ranch 21, LLC

I remember that -- it's the LLC under which he owned the apartment building where Marilou Danley moved after leaving her husband (supposedly for "Paddock.") I think there were also suggestions it was a front for money laundering -- not that apartment building in particular, but for his real estate/gambling dealings in general.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

That video was something ! I saw it a couple days
ago and thought it was interesting.
It's very thought provoking.
Boadicea and you, Ask the Animals,
are doing a great job with this topic
and presenting the same questions I'm concerned about.

a reply to: Boadicea

This is just a google search more than one and they cater to children at the price of 5000.00 a week, could this be why the FBI said this interviews all over the world or something like that...no wonder they ate closed mouthed

Paradise Ranch Philippines


Paradise Ranch Philippines

The following article reports the findings of experts hired by the New York Times to analyze the audio of gunfire at the concert and revealed in a video: 10 Minutes. 12 Gunfire Bursts. 30 Videos. Mapping the Las Vegas Massacre. This isn't an official law enforcement release.

New timeline for Las Vegas massacre shows security guard Jesus Campos was shot a minute AFTER gunman began firing on crowd, contradicting previous police reports

Digital experts working for The New York Times analyzed 30 videos from the murderous rampage on October 1 to piece together a chronology of events.

This is the new timeline for the security guard being shot according to those experts:

10pm: Country singer Jason Aldean is performing for a large crowd at the Route 91 Harvest festival in Las Vegas

10.05pm: Stephen Paddock begins firing his first rounds from the Mandalay Bay hotel, using single shots rather than automatic bursts

10.06pm: Security guard Jesus Campos is shot through the door of Paddock's hotel room after being spotted in the corridor outside his suite

10.06pm: Paddock fires his first and second automatic bursts into the crowd

The article notes that the rest of the timeline (provided at link, but not quoted here) remains basically unchanged from the police timeline, with 12 bursts of gunfire for the next ten minutes, police arriving on the 32nd floor about 10:22, and breaching the room about 11:20.

So the target of the first shots fired isn't offered, but the second volley is supposed to have been aimed at the security guard in the hall, and the remaining volleys directed to the concert venue.

Which still basically supports the police version that the security guard was shot before the crowd. I'm sure the PTB will offer up a handy-dandy explanation real soon.

a reply to: Boadicea

That NYTimes video is very careful not to show the 32nd floor during audible gunshots.

I wonder why?

a reply to: Boadicea


The NYT is super anti-conspiracy

They’ll always back the OS

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: Boadicea

This is just a google search more than one and they cater to children at the price of 5000.00 a week, could this be why the FBI said this interviews all over the world or something like that...no wonder they ate closed mouthed

This looks like disinfo and distraction to me. All of this is a very very BIG if. There is nothing that ties "Paddock's" LLC to the California organization except the common use of the name "Paradise," which is the name of an unincorporated town bordering Las Vegas and therefore a common business name in the Vegas metro area.

I am also very disturbed at how quick folks have been to accuse people of really horrendous things with so little to go on -- not just this, but so many things and people. Which then leads to still other folks playing judge and jury based on unsubstantiated circumstantial "evidence" -- at best! Besides being very unfair and potentially harming to any and all innocent parties so accused, it distracts from what really counts.

Personally, I don't believe that there is a "Paddock" -- at least not as represented. And even if there is -- he's dead. He's not a threat any longer. And I have no idea why the Feds would care about protecting the perversions of a mass murderer who is dead. But I can see why people who are trying to cover up the truth (including the true identities of the killers -- yes, plural) would want us all to focus on a dead guy.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Boadicea


The NYT is super anti-conspiracy

They’ll always back the OS

At least officially... maybe they're part of the conspiracy and therefore the most conspiratorial of all

Las Vegas shooter's laptop missing its hard drive
ATS thread here.

Do note these are unnamed sources:

A laptop computer recovered from the Las Vegas hotel room where Stephen Paddock launched the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was missing its hard drive, depriving investigators of a potential key source of information on why he killed and maimed so many people, ABC News has learned.

Paddock is believed to have removed the hard drive before fatally shooting himself, and the missing device has not yet been recovered, sources told ABC News.

I don't doubt that official sources told ABC this... but only to keep the public focused on the "lone gunman" and that oh-so-elusive motive... a never ending guessing game.

Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Brother Arrested for Child Porn
ATS thread here.

Child porn. Really? Or just a little something to titillate the masses and keep their attention on a lone gunman phantom via his perverted brother?

originally posted by: Boadicea
Las Vegas shooter's laptop missing its hard drive

The "Logic" is so intense !!

Paddock is believed to have removed the hard drive before fatally shooting himself