About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: Boadicea

Absolutely, in case like this mass confusion, they can and say anything.

Just put out random facts here and there.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Boadicea

Since when could valium trigger aggressive behavior?

We've known for a long time that a side effect of benzodiazepines for some people is violent thoughts, inhibition, and destructive behavior. Generally, it has this side effect more when it's used to help treat bi-polar disorders, or given to un-diagnosed bi-polar people.

But this story sounds similar:

Defendant Acquitted of Murder Due to Excessive Prescriptive Doses of Valium
R V McGuire
The Law Society's Gazette, Wednesday (pp. 2177), 22nd July, 1987

The defendant was a 60-year-old Glaswegian housewife with no history of violent behaviour. In January 1979, after 30 years of marriage, her husband left her to live with another woman.

Consequently she complained of 'anxiety and tension'. Her GP prescribed diazepam (2mg twice daily) which she took for several months. However, as her symptoms subsided she reduced her intake, ceasing altogether by July 1979. In January 1980 a summons for divorce was issued on her behalf which included a substantial financial claim.

In March 1980 her husband returned, following an apparent wish for reconciliation, but which was probably financially motivated. The reconciliation was a complete failure as the husband continued to see the other woman and clearly intended to return to her. By 25th March, the defendant was very agitated and distressed by events. She arranged to see her solicitor the next day with a view to proceeding with the divorce.

On the morning of 26th March, because of her continued anxiety, the defendant visited her GP. She did not see him personally, but his receptionist arranged for her to receive a prescription of 72 x 5mg diazepam tablets labelled: 'take when necessary'; the defendant had the prescription dispensed forthwith and took 5mg diazepam between 10.30 and 11.00am.

As she was still very nervous, she took further doses at noon, 2.00, 3.45 and 5pm. She saw her solicitor at 4.30pm and went home. At about 6pm the defendant was preparing supper, and using a sharp kitchen knife, when her husband came in.

A fierce row developed. She apparently lunged at him [the husband], stabbing him to death, and then ran out of the house to her daughter's home. She explained what had happened and then promptly fell asleep on the sofa.

The police were called and arrested the defendant at about 7.30pm. After she had been taken into custody, the defendant took a further dose of diazepam at 9.00pm. A blood sample taken at 00.20am on 27th March showed a diazepam level of 0.5mg/l, and a nordiazepam level of 0.6mg/l. There was no alcohol present.

On 8th July, 1980, the defendant was charged with murder. At the trial, Professor Michael Rawlins said that he believed the tragedy was probably precipitated by the excessive amount (30mg) of diazepam which the defendant had consumed in the preceding twelve-hour period before her husband's death (she had eaten almost nothing during that time). In his view, the drug was responsible for the paradoxical aggressive outburst by the defendant who was not in full possession of her faculties at the relevant time.

She remembered experiencing subjective symptoms of 'muzziness' in her head and of her feet 'not touching the ground', which are typical responses to excessive diazepam dosage.

Professor Rawlins stated that paradoxical aggressive outbursts are a recognised adverse effect of diazepam; they are probably caused by the suppression of mechanisms which normally inhibit aggressive outbursts.

The judge directed the jury that the evidence would support a verdict of 'not proven'. However the jury acquitted the defendant completely, presumably on the basis that the defendant was not responsible for her acts owing to the effects of excessive diazepam.

Many more studies and stories here:
www.benzo.org.uk...

And diazepam, a benzodiazepine, is marketed (sold) by Roche as Valium: en.wikipedia.org...

Diazepam was the second benzodiazepine invented by Dr. Leo Sternbach of Hoffmann-La Roche at the company's Nutley, New Jersey, facility[95] following chlordiazepoxide (Librium), which was approved for use in 1960. Released in 1963 as an improved version of Librium, diazepam became incredibly popular, helping Roche to become a pharmaceutical industry giant. It is 2.5 times more potent than its predecessor, which it quickly surpassed in terms of sales. After this initial success, other pharmaceutical companies began to introduce other benzodiazepine derivatives.[96]

For anyone else who might need to get their bearings, I found some diagrams that are helpful

The suite floorplan can be seen here and here.

A map of the casinos along the Strip can be found here. I noted that the I-15 (and a quick and easy escape route) is a hop, skip and a jump from Mandalay Bay.

A diagram of a Mandalay Bay floor plan showing emergency exits -- stairs -- is here. The elevators are in the center, with stairs at the far end of each wing.

a reply to: GenerationGap

Maybe so, but according to the police he was planning this for years. I thought he just was prescribed the valium in June.

a reply to: Boadicea
Does anyone know the # of the suite

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: GenerationGap

Maybe so, but according to the police he was planning this for years. I thought he just was prescribed the valium in June.

About that... his current prescription, for 10 mgs per day, was given in June. He also had a previous prescription for twice that dosage -- 20 mgs per day.

And according to this -- EXCLUSIVE: Las Vegas shooter gambled $100,000 an hour in video poker with 'constant stream of booze' -- he was a very heavy drinker.

I just saw this too -- Las Vegas shooter's girlfriend says he would 'SCREAM in bed at night' and investigators say he may have been in 'mental anguish' -- but I haven't read it yet. Just posting...

a reply to: Willtell

135.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Boadicea
Does anyone know the # of the suite

Room # 135, on the 32nd floor. I have also seen it written as 32135.

The Bellagio Hotel was certainly on lockdown. There is a video of it on youtube at the moment
A few videos of panic at Caesars
Multiple shooter reports at various hotels which claims were then denied by the Police later as the story changed

Interesting story here which could well be true from an eye witness tracked down via Facebook who states that a security guard told her there were multiple shooters as did a police officer

The security guard at the Cosmopolitan exact words were “I know about as much as you do. I have heard 7 confirmed shooters at multiple hotels including the Bellagio.” I do not have any idea how he knew this info, but this is the time they were locking down the hotel. There were a few metro police officers alongside security guards outside our hotel Vdara, and as they were checking our credentials we asked are there really multiple shooters, what’s going on? And the police officer confirmed yes multiple shooters at multiple hotels including Aria next door. He did not say 7 however he just said multiple. I assume he heard this over the radio, bc he was a metro officer.

Link

Her original long facebook post is quoted in full at the link.

a reply to: Boadicea

The story about him screaming in bed at night appears only in the Daily Mail from an unamed source, Daily Mail is total garbage anyway. So far Marilou Danley hasn't spoken to anyone about the incident and is still speaking with the FBI. I think it unlikely the FBI would allow her to speak to the likes of the Daily Mail ! This silly story goes against everything that Marilou Danley said about Stephen Paddock through her lawyer earlier yesterday

The other "story" about him being a heavy heavy drinker is again based only on hearsay from one person in particular. No-one else has mentioned him being a big drinker not even his gf or brothers nor the FBI

On a side note, I saw yesterday, a photograph of the Mandalay Hotel's staff notice board which said there was an active shooter drill on 30th Sept at 12.00pm. Unfortunately it seems to have vanished now but I'm still searching

Strange how there always seems to be a drill hours before these tragedies

Just throwing this into the mix. I wonder if as has been suggested, Paddock planned to escape, whether he planned to "escape" to another suite, and then slip out of the building at some point before the police started to thoroughly check on the guests at the hotel.

Las Vegas shooter's girlfriend says he would 'SCREAM in bed at night' and investigators say he may have been in 'mental anguish'

Here's the new info that stood out to me:

Paddock, 64, 'would lie in bed, just moaning and screaming, "Oh my God,"' according to an ex-FBI official briefed on the situation.

While Danley's remarks suggest that Paddock was not well, investigators do not believe that his mind had deteriorated enough to set up and execute his elaborate mass-murder plan, which saw him firing on a crowd of 22,000 people at a country music festival.

So... does that mean they don't think Paddock committed the crime??? Is it just me or is that what they're saying?

...investigators are also looking at 'six media devices' left behind by Paddock, and also exploring his web browsing history.

His web history also led to the discovery, announced Thursday, that he had apparently been scoping out other major events over the past year.

It was confirmed by Lombardo yesterday that Paddock had also hired out a condo overlooking another Las Vegas festival, Life is Beautiful, which ran on September 22-24.

10:15pm: The last shots are fired from the suspect per bodycam footage.
10:17pm: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor.
10:18pm: Security officer tells the LVMPD officers he was shot and gives them the exact location of the suspect's room.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Fair enough -- and duly noted.

It's just as wise to keep up with the disinfo as it is to keep up with any other info.

a reply to: Willtell

Here's 1: Tell me please. How a person walks around LAS VEGAS that has cameras EVERYWHERE carrying bags of guns and there’s not one video of this individual

Not like he was walking around with weapons in the open . He spent 3 days there - simply bring up few at a time
with the guns in bags or cases

This is a simulation of 23 guns Paddock would have had to get in that room.

Did he carry these guns in a suitcase. A big bag. A uhaul? Why aren't there any pictures or video of him carrying this virtual arsenal around the hotel.

He didn't move into the room until Saturday.

How in the hell did he get all those guns up there?

If we can't answer that question then this is a scam!

Maybe when he checked in Saturday he lugged each gun up to the 32nd fl.

Really. Where is the video of that, a picture of him carrying these guns?

a reply to: Willtell

I read somewhere that he had taken advantage of the confusion and inattentiveness during shift changes to bring them up... that suggested to me that there is video/pics of him bring the weapons in, but it has not been released to the public.

Which then begs the question, did he have help bringing those bags up to his room?

a reply to: Willtell

Are you serious?

He was rich. He doesn't carry baggage. You pay a hotel bellman to put them on one or more rolling carts, then take the elevator. Haven't you ever stayed at a good hotel before?

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Willtell

Here's 1: Tell me please. How a person walks around LAS VEGAS that has cameras EVERYWHERE carrying bags of guns and there’s not one video of this individual

Not like he was walking around with weapons in the open . He spent 3 days there - simply bring up few at a time
with the guns in bags or cases

A hotel source said that he didn't move in to the 32nd-floor room he used for the shooting until Saturday, the night before the attack.

www.businessinsider.com...-stephen-paddock-checks-into-the-mandalay-b ay-resort-and-casino-on-the-south-end-of-the-las-vegas-strip-1

So what did he say he was doing carting over 23 guns up 32 flights. He was a musician or something. An artist?

Again?

Wheres the video of him hauling 23 guns up 32 floors without looking strange, to say the least.

a reply to: Boadicea

yup totally agree
The give away to me were the words "ex fbi official briefed on the situation" Why would an EX FBI official be in the know in any capacity? And even if he/she were, they wouldn't be giving out details to tabloids about an ongoing investigation, or that's my belief anyway

a reply to: Willtell

erm you not heard of elevators? He could have easily brought in 10 suitcases golf bags or whatever over the period he was there, which now appears to have been since the 25th September NOT the 28th apparently. Or as is more likely since he was well known at the Hotel and others in that area, just brought his bags in, the guns will have been disassembled obviously and would easily fit into cases. No-one at the Hotel would dream of asking what was in the bags, its not the done thing