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About the Vegas Killer... newest info

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posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Maybe some of those "convincing" police calls are from somebody (other than a police officer) with a police radio.

Not hard to do.

Wouldn't that be something.



Oh, hadn't considered that! Possible, of course, and not all state who is speaking, so that is certainly something to consider! I wonder if the police can identify all of those speaking? If they couldn't, would they ever admit to that, or be allowed to admit it?




posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes


There are a few Things we can leave out right now about the audio recordings.



There were only two Windows broken on Mandalay Bay hotell that night. There is no way to open the widows to shoot from them...unles you break the window. So this part of the recording is not conclusive....


So what ever these cops observed were either reflections of the glass ,Menaing the muzzleflash actually came form the east side of the hotell.... or they are lying..... or fallowing a script....building the narrative vi are being told.


We don't know that no windows will open, anywhere in that hotel. Some have stated that some windows will open, for service purposes, on some of the lower floors. Haven't seen anything verified one way or the other on that issue. Until we do, I won't say it's not possible.

Reflections of muzzle fire can only be possible if there is visible muzzle fire on floor 32, and video shows there wasn't any. If the flashes were something else, why would they be happening, in only certain windows, on the same night as a shooter chose to use that hotel?

We have videos showing flashes at lower levels, so those cops aren't lying about that. Now, those in charge of explaining those flashes well could be. A narrative.....yeah, we seem to have that, from the beginning!



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

No worries! I know -- and knew! -- you didn't mean anything by it. We've got so many thoughts and questions and ruminations going through our heads, and everything about this is either so darn frustrating or outright infuriating... A little miscommunication ain't nuttin!

But if you ever REALLY get out of hand, well, I'll just have to learn how to post pictures so I can give you a Snickers



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

The advent of cheap, high-tech transceivers from China now make it possible for anyone to both receive and transmit on many police frequencies


Bogus calls, misdirection and harassment are only a few of the problems you could experience





posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Also, the Foundation Room has an open air balcony at the top.

There are three different videos taken from that balcony -- and the same people (same conversation) can be heard in all of them -- but I have yet to find a video filmed from another room in Mandalay Bay, besides the Foundation Room.

It's as if the only three people in the MB hotel who thought to video record the events were all together on the top floor and knew each other.






posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 09:03 PM
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Regarding the alleged drilling...I think if he was actually drilling, it would be impossible to hear from 32 floors up across the street in the middle of a loud concert!

If he was drilling at the time Campos & Engineer guy turned up which was now allegedly 9.59, Paddock (or whoever) was leaving it very very late to set up the scene prior to opening fire on the crown. I would have thought someone so meticulous in their planning and execution would have had this all set up well in advance of the actual event. The concert was almost over by the time he started firing ...had he taken any longer with the drilling etc he would probably have missed the concert entirely.

Once again we've seen no pictures of this mystery 200 rounds fired into the hallway, all 200 rounds of which managed to completely miss the room service trolley and by the looks of it every doorframe and wall too. It also looks like from the only pictures of the door we have, that he must have fired down the hall lying down, and by some miracle managed to get all 200 rounds through the same few holes. Amazing

Love the way there is a gun on a bipod just in line of sight of the broken door, like away from any windows or any suitable shooting area. Nice touch



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye


It's as if the only three people in the MB hotel who thought to video record the events were all together on the top floor and knew each other.


That's rather odd...

Something else I noticed is that the Eric H video was posted at 10:23 pm -- less than 10 minutes after the shooting had stopped. He didn't waste any time...



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye


It's as if the only three people in the MB hotel who thought to video record the events were all together on the top floor and knew each other.


That's rather odd...

Something else I noticed is that the Eric H video was posted at 10:23 pm -- less than 10 minutes after the shooting had stopped. He didn't waste any time...







"There's people laying, right there, that are not moving, guys."

Same people talking in all three videos. All from the top...the Foundation Room.

Didn't anyone else in the hotel happen to video record the view from their window? If so, I haven't found the videos.

Makes me wonder more about who was staying there that night.

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ETA: Notice the "48th floor mention?" Which cannot be correct.

Why would that info be so misleading and wrong? People corrected it in the comments. But it's so odd that the number of floors is not quite clear.



edit on 10/18/2017 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 09:25 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Also, the Foundation Room has an open air balcony at the top.

There are three different videos taken from that balcony -- and the same people (same conversation) can be heard in all of them -- but I have yet to find a video filmed from another room in Mandalay Bay, besides the Foundation Room.

It's as if the only three people in the MB hotel who thought to video record the events were all together on the top floor and knew each other.



It's more than odd that they only caught the same snippet of the event and felt the need to move away instead of staying and documenting more. Maybe it's just me but I would have kept recording until shots came my way. I would assume they weren't shooting at me since it's obvious they were after the concert-goers. People in groups who do something like that are immediately suspect imo.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 09:33 PM
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Thanks

So it wasn't Campos that heard the drilling? I thought that is what led him to the room. I recall that Campos got shot before the maintenance man showed up.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
Thanks

So it wasn't Campos that heard the drilling? I thought that is what led him to the room. I recall that Campos got shot before the maintenance man showed up.


Actually, there's zero proof of anything like that even happening.

Come to think of it, there's not much proof of anything.




posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 09:53 PM
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Interview with photographer who was working from the roof of the Mandalay Bay hotel. He never states what his assignment was, my guess would be to shoot concert crowd. Much cheaper to put photographers on nearby rooftops than to charter helicopters). Or he was working for DHS, take your pick.

No new details so don't get excited.

www.cbc.ca...



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes


Yeah, and the police audio doesn't mesh with the new official reports, either. Located this site, with some excellent data, videos of the audio, and some other fascinating stuff, and a good breakdown of all of it.


Thank you so much for that link! That's a great resource. I skimmed it -- and I'll dig into it later! I'm almost collecting these websites congregating witness accounts and videos... Here's a couple more good ones if you want to check out. They each repeat some of each other's content, and each have ones the other doesn't have... which I'm assuming is the same for the link you gave me. But you might find something new there.

Multiple coordinated attacks in Las Vegas are not reported in the news

Alika Spahn Niehe -- Facebook


I did listen to the audio, and he's accurate on what he quotes from that, so if you don't have time to listen, you can trust his excerpts.


Thank you for taking the time and attention to do so -- that's important!


You are welcome - got that from someone on another site, and tons of data I didn't have previously! So, sharing!

Will check those out as well. This case, have actually printed out a lot of the info, and downloaded videos and pics, just in case they vanish, or are altered later on! Wished too many ties I'd done that before, when stories we all read were changed, and no one had the original!

And, oh, wow.....read some of that, and lots of accounts of shooters at these other hotels!



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Agree so much.

Just the three videos, I've found...all within the same three minutes of time during the shooting. Same vantage point, too.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Maybe some of those "convincing" police calls are from somebody (other than a police officer) with a police radio.

Not hard to do.


There are reports that night of civilians stealing police cars ostensibly to take people to the hospital... but I do wonder if cars were stolen for exactly that purpose as well. Perhaps to create diversions, perhaps just to escalate the panic and chaos, perhaps to taint the record. Lots of room for mischief there.

I have to say though, I am finding real-time tweets and eyewitness accounts to corroborate most (if not all) of those reports.


Well, I hadn't heard about any stole police cars, but the police audio does state that people were stealing shotguns from unlocked cars, and warns cops to secure their vehicles.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I love that map at the link you posted. That's the best I've seen yet for getting your bearings, and seeing how/where all the different reports of gunfire and shooters were. Especially the streets to the east and north of the venue -- where everyone was running!



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

I think that's pretty interesting. People have reported they see suspicious activity on the roof in some of the videos...and this photographer claims he was there with a black case and camera on a tripod...along with a security guard.

I guess I think it's an interesting *story* to keep in mind, anyway.



edit on 10/18/2017 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

There was at least one report on audio --

“Control 167!” someone shouts. “I need some more units here, I’m being overtaken by citizens trying to take patrol cars!”

-- I found this one at USA Today.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

The advent of cheap, high-tech transceivers from China now make it possible for anyone to both receive and transmit on many police frequencies


Bogus calls, misdirection and harassment are only a few of the problems you could experience






Sheesh, as if the cops didn't have enough to deal with already! That has to be a real pain!!

All those reports of additional shooters, though, from other hotels, and witnesses claiming this was well after the initial event, something odd was happening!

I had to wonder, after reading about two reports from the Bellagio, and how one witness claims they cleaned up all the glass by the next morning, would the hotels cover things up themselves, to try and avoid bad press? One bit from the link, well, two, about two different women, calling from two hotels, and reporting, at a whisper because they claimed the suspect was right nearby, makes me wonder. One, security told police there was nothing, even though cops had a call. Makes me wonder!!



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Also, the Foundation Room has an open air balcony at the top.

There are three different videos taken from that balcony -- and the same people (same conversation) can be heard in all of them -- but I have yet to find a video filmed from another room in Mandalay Bay, besides the Foundation Room.

It's as if the only three people in the MB hotel who thought to video record the events were all together on the top floor and knew each other.





Now that is odd! I did wonder why, with a casino, there aren't more videos of people in their rooms, with gunfire in the background, or in the casino, told to move, etc. I'd be recording! I wonder if many did, and then lost the videos. Read someplace that some got back cell phones from police with the videos/pics of that night missing, deleted!



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