About the Vegas Killer... newest info

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

At this point, it's like they don't even care that we know they're full of it. They just go through the motions.

We know they cleared guests from other rooms, and that they didn't know about the connecting room till they breached the first one, and they had to breach that door to enter that room. Had it been open, for him to run back and forth firing from both windows, why would they have to breach it? Who locked it, since he was sound dead in the first room? Did someone else exit that room, posing as a scared guest? Did the police arrive seconds after the guard was shot, or five minutes, or twelve-plus? Was the guy shot through a closed door, or an open one?

Yeah, that whole second room is weird. Everything I've read about it doesn't add up.

And now that they've changed the timeline -- again -- I keep wondering how could anyone think it was a good idea to evacuate the other guests down that exact same hallway that the gunman had just shot the security guard in??? That makes no sense at all and it's the number one reason I don't buy it. If anything, they would be notifying those guests to stay in their rooms and take cover in the bathtub or something.

Yeah, and the police audio doesn't mesh with the new official reports, either. Located this site, with some excellent data, videos of the audio, and some other fascinating stuff, and a good breakdown of all of it. I did listen to the audio, and he's accurate on what he quotes from that, so if you don't have time to listen, you can trust his excerpts. Seems there were reports, some confirmed by police in the scanner audio, of shooters in multiple places, that were later claimed to be not confirmed, not true. The witness videos are quite interesting, as well, and the one that shows no muzzle fire visible from the area where we are told the "lone gunman" was located. A lot of data at that link, but all quite fascinating, especially the police audio!!

The police did state, at one point, that they had NOT cleared the rooms on that floor, so I wonder when that happened, if at all. Also, a comment at one point about an "officer" - far later than the guard was reported - being shot in the leg, and even firing. So who knows? Wouldn't make sense, I agree, to clear rooms with an active shooter.

The witness from the Bellagio.....when added to the police comments about that location.....quite telling!!

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Maybe some of those "convincing" police calls are from somebody (other than a police officer) with a police radio.

Not hard to do.

Wouldn't that be something.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

No, Campos said it sounded like drilling, the other guy said he thought someone was using a jackhammer

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Her diagrams and pointing rod.

Giving a whiff of an investigative interview but asking no hard questions, at all. In fact...she pretty much set up all the details of what happened and then asked him "...so this and that happened, right?"

Yup! That was my first thought too -- not a news show, but a fluff show. And Ellen was well prepared and did her part very well.

Ellen was a good choice for the one and only interview that he will do.

Yes, she was -- probably the best choice for reaching the widest sympathetic demographic.

And I personally do not believe it had anything to do with money (or tickets to games) as floated in the usual disinfo circles as an excuse that Campos bailed on other interviews.

Hrmph. Truth be told, if it were me, I'd probably do exactly this; i.e., find one host/show to tell my story too, and then climb under a rock. I think a lot of people would. But that's not what they said to begin with. They said he had five interviews lined up... exactly the opposite. That sounds like just the beginning of a whirlwind of interviews and shows. Maybe he got cold feet and really did run for the hills -- only agreeing to return for one interview. Or maybe they realized they'd be lucky if they could pull off even one public appearance and changed tactics. I don't know. But it all stinks!

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes


There are a few Things we can leave out right now about the audio recordings.



There were only two Windows broken on Mandalay Bay hotell that night. There is no way to open the widows to shoot from them...unles you break the window. So this part of the recording is not conclusive....


So what ever these cops observed were either reflections of the glass ,Menaing the muzzleflash actually came form the east side of the hotell.... or they are lying..... or fallowing a script....building the narrative vi are being told.

originally posted by: rowdyrich
a reply to: MotherMayEye

No, Campos said it sounded like drilling, the other guy said he thought someone was using a jackhammer

Ah, yes! I think you're are right...I only recalled the maintenance guy saying it did not sound like gunfire...it sounded like some kind of power tool.

I do believe you are correct though. Campos said it sounded like drilling and Schuck thought it was Jackhammering!

AND many people in the crowd said what they heard was not gunfire, too.

And people reportedly heard and thought they heard fireworks.

DP

DP.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Yeah, and the police audio doesn't mesh with the new official reports, either. Located this site, with some excellent data, videos of the audio, and some other fascinating stuff, and a good breakdown of all of it.

Thank you so much for that link! That's a great resource. I skimmed it -- and I'll dig into it later! I'm almost collecting these websites congregating witness accounts and videos... Here's a couple more good ones if you want to check out. They each repeat some of each other's content, and each have ones the other doesn't have... which I'm assuming is the same for the link you gave me. But you might find something new there.

Multiple coordinated attacks in Las Vegas are not reported in the news

Alika Spahn Niehe -- Facebook

I did listen to the audio, and he's accurate on what he quotes from that, so if you don't have time to listen, you can trust his excerpts.

Thank you for taking the time and attention to do so -- that's important!

originally posted by: Boadicea
Hrmph. Truth be told, if it were me, I'd probably do exactly this; i.e., find one host/show to tell my story too, and then climb under a rock. I think a lot of people would.

That's not what I meant.

What I meant was: I would not commit to doing interviews and then just bail on them without giving a reason (for days) and then just show up at the Ellen show and let someone on Reddit float the excuse that I bailed on the other interviews I scheduled because i probably got a bigger money offer.

Even though I reportedly took nothing from Ellen except for some tickets for my favorite sports team.

Would I want to do one or none interviews, at all? Yep.

That's not how this played out though.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Maybe some of those "convincing" police calls are from somebody (other than a police officer) with a police radio.

Not hard to do.

There are reports that night of civilians stealing police cars ostensibly to take people to the hospital... but I do wonder if cars were stolen for exactly that purpose as well. Perhaps to create diversions, perhaps just to escalate the panic and chaos, perhaps to taint the record. Lots of room for mischief there.

I have to say though, I am finding real-time tweets and eyewitness accounts to corroborate most (if not all) of those reports.

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Thank you for posting those various early accounts!

What strikes me as particularly crazy about those accounts is how incredibly, incredibly detailed they are.

So, they can't honorably claim "it was really early in the investigation, so we got some of the events mixed up" or something like that. Those stories are DETAILED!

Almost like they were trying TOO HARD to make us believe it. A lot of times when a person lies, they will give too many details because they think if they are super specific, their story won't be suspected as a lie.

Exactly! Lots of details, and they seemed so clear and straightforward, up until people started investigating! The link I posted earlier today has a LOT of good info as well. Scanner audio excepts, and the videos for that, and much more.

No way this happened as they are claiming. From that audio alone, reports of at least SIX locations with shooters, and some called "confirmed" in the audio! A hotel cleaning up broken glass, and claiming nothing happened there, then comping a room to silence a guest? Shots confirmed, shooter at a front desk of another hotel, casualties mentioned, then later reported as nothing happened there, either?? Medics reporting being shot at, and cops claiming nothing there, according to security at the site??

What the heck really did happen? Who was involved?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Ooops! I made a fine mess of that! My apologies -- you made yourself very clear, and I agree, and I just did a poor job of expressing that I could totally understand if he had taken the exclusive interview approach to begin with. Instead they turned the whole thing is a huge fustercluck.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

Having some sort of official map of the place would be nice, but we have to work with what we have at hand!!

This is my own count, and it could be off someplace, so anyone, feel free to poke holes if you see an issue! Just looking to learn as much as we can here.

Hi LGE,

I can't poke holes in anything you determined. The floor numbers are difficult to nail down.

What I will say is that the lobby/casino level appears to occupy the area you have labeled 1-5 in the photo you posted. I base that on photos and videos I have looked at. It shouldn't be so difficult to nail this info down, but it is. There is a 'Beach Level' below what is shown in the photo you marked up, too. (I realize it's the one I posted, but I just wanted you to know there is another sizable 'floor' below the lobby level, in case you didn't realize that.)

I want to also say that in January 2007, someone updated the Mandalay Bay Wikipedia entry to have a floor count for the first time. That floor count was 39. (Link)

I see no reference in the footnotes to support that though.

On August 28, 2009, someone else edited that entry to read "72 stories,' for seemingly no good reason either....Link.

Then, on November 3, 2009, someone edited the entry to read "43 floors" commenting "Edited the number of floors; this thing is NOT 70+ stories tall. It's 43 stories tall."...

Link

No resource/citation was given to support that number of floors.

But nothing was provided for the others, either.

STILL, no resource was cited to justify the floor number of 43 that was provided via Wikipedia. It just appeared without any question or justification.

I am still kind of hung up on the floor numbers. I wish there was more than Wikipedia to justify the '43 floors' claim.

I'll let go of this though. I am not going to solve this where I am...not in Las Vegas, that is.

Don't let it go! it's a valid inquiry. As for the floors, yeah, the casino wold likely take up lower levels, but some places start numbering above that sort of thing with that would be right, were that floor not as tall, do they not? Even so, there are still questions on the levels. The police audio reports, multiple times, shots from either a third up, or half up, and not, except for a team inside, from that higher floor. No muzzle flash visible from that floor, either, as shown in video -



Might have to log in to see it, though, but you can see it without logging in here - link. Much good data there, as well!

The wiki stuff, well, it is wiki, and anyone can change it, but is is curious. Why it would be listed as 72 floors, I can't imagine! That such a thing involves a hotel used for a mass shooting.....some coincidence....

Either way, much off about this! The rooms we are told used were NOT a third to halfway up, no matter how one numbers them. Also, police audio (above link) even states that Mandalay Bay security reported shots on the 29th AND 32nd floors. So, you are on to something, either way!

a reply to: spy66

There were only two Windows broken on Mandalay Bay hotell that night.

I'm not even sure about that much -- High Resolution Pic of Mandalay Bay -- Where are Broken Windows?

We really have no idea when exactly were those windows broken and by who and why...

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: spy66

There were only two Windows broken on Mandalay Bay hotell that night.

I'm not even sure about that much -- High Resolution Pic of Mandalay Bay -- Where are Broken Windows?

We really have no idea when exactly were those windows broken and by who and why...

Correct... but that is the narrative right?

In the offisal case there were only two Windows broken that night.

In images from the day after when it was day light, there were only two Windows that were broken. Sure they could have replaced all the other broken Windows ASAP.... But still the cops story dont add up.... if so they should not have replaced the broken Windows. Becasue that would mean they are hiding something... ?

a reply to: spy66

Yes, that's the official story and no, it doesn't all add up...

But the best place I know to start is with what I can and cannot verify and go from there. At this point, I cannot be sure of much of anything, but I'm pretty darn sure those windows weren't broken when this picture was taken!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Ooops! I made a fine mess of that! My apologies -- you made yourself very clear, and I agree, and I just did a poor job of expressing that I could totally understand if he had taken the exclusive interview approach to begin with. Instead they turned the whole thing is a huge fustercluck.

I sound and am so touchy lately. I really don't know why...I honestly don't mean to come off so cynical. Especially to you.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: spy66

Yes, that's the official story and no, it doesn't all add up...

But the best place I know to start is with what I can and cannot verify and go from there. At this point, I cannot be sure of much of anything, but I'm pretty darn sure those windows weren't broken when this picture was taken!

Both of the widows are out in that image. Not easy to see in this photo... but they are telling the truth about that.

They have their story Down in great detail. Many of the physical aspects are correct.

It is how they present it that is wrong. This doesnt sound right either... i dont know how to explain it... sorry.

a reply to: spy66

32nd floor right side window is not broken in that picture.

Left side isn't either.

Compare the daytime pics from Oct 2nd.

Count the floors.

Windows not broken.

This is getting good.

There are no pics or vids from that night that have shots or broken windows,

ALL the shooting came from somewhere else.