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Republican Governor of Illinois SURRENDERS to Democrats - Makes Public-Funded Abortions LEGAL.

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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: carewemust

So you're mad that a republican stood up for the freedom to choose, which is between a person and their doctor, even though it may not be a freedom you agree with?

Of course abortion will be upheld. The rest of the Right Wing needs to get a grip on reality and stop trying to oppress the freedoms of others when it comes to their own choices.



Freedom to choose? Ok, how do you feel about my freedom to choose not to join a union? Is that ok? You’d vote for that wouldn’t you Mr freedom of choice.


Of course you should have that freedom.




posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: Raxoxane
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I know very well that not everyone shares my horror of and indescribable disgust with the practise of abortion,but in my opinion the issue should seldom arise in the first place if women used reliable contraception.Look i don't expect of others what i am unwilling to do,myself.I have all my life been on some form of birth control,and no unwanted children.My 20yo daughter is on birth control,because she wants ideally a baby only in about 5 year's time.My oldest daughter recently had twin baby boys,at the age of 25,and happily married to a competent man who can provide for them.It is Not that difficult to do things the sensible way,if you are determined to.


You are correct, but people want to make excuses. Yes, there are situations when contraceptives fail, but statistically they are rare when contraceptives are used consistently and properly. The sheer number of abortions tells anyone that people simply aren't using contraceptives.

In another thread, someone tried to post up some dubious stats about birth control failures. However, they didn't read the methodology and when you do, it is clear they consider not using birth control as birth control failure. Yes, you read that right... not using a condom means the condom failed. LOL. What the really mean is that people will use a condom sometimes and not others and this lack of consistency means the pregnancy rate winds up being about 20% for condom use. The same thing with the pill. Women will claim to be on the pill but forget to take it consistently and then wind up preggers. The pill didn't fail, it wasn't used properly.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I know that financially it makes more sense to pay for the abortion,but because of my intense revulsion for abortion i personally would rather pay for the person resulting from not having the abortion.If birth control is used fastidiouly, properly and by most women of child bearing age,there should not be too many cases where society has to foot the bill in some form or the other.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Indeed.I also made sure to remind my daughters to take their pill every day at the same time,and that if they had upset tummy or had any illness,to be sure to abstain or use a condom till they are well,and for a dew days there after,as it is known that diarrhea and some illnesses can cause the pill to be less effective.The last ditch effort would be the morning after pill.My youngest daughter is assistent to the pharmacist and she tells me they sell a lot of those.Seems a lot of single women use it if they have reason to believe their contraceptive efficacy may have been compromised.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: Kali74

Gee, I am extremely opposed to our military fighting wars overseas - can I opt to not have my tax dollars go towards that?

All (semi) kidding aside, I hear what you're saying, but what are women under the poverty line supposed to do if they find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy and they simply don't have the funds to pay for an abortion? What about a government program that pays for one month of a woman's rent so she can take her own money that would have gone towards the rent and spend it on the abortion?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Sadly, this is often what you get when you elect people who call themselves "Republican"; they are really just souless Democrat meat suits paradng as Republicans. I would have to guess he was paid handsomely under the table by some leftist interest group, and now, as a result, unwitting taxpayers are helping to fund the murder of innocents.

Considering the staggering weight of taxation in Illinois and now this betrayal, I would suggest you move somewhere else. But, let your conscience be your guide.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: Raxoxane
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I know that financially it makes more sense to pay for the abortion,but because of my intense revulsion for abortion i personally would rather pay for the person resulting from not having the abortion.If birth control is used fastidiouly, properly and by most women of child bearing age,there should not be too many cases where society has to foot the bill in some form or the other.

Well it's a good thing that is what is happening, right?
The abortion rate is at an all-time low — and better birth control is largely to thank



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes that is a good thing,absolutely.

What still boggles my mind is how,in a 3rd world country like South Africa,free birth control and women's health clinics are around every corner,but it seems that birth control is as difficult to obtain in America as a next-day appointment with a specialist,seemingly,and also costly. It makes NO sense at all.

Now a GENERAL POST in response to everyone who replied to me,i am a bit busy cooking dinner: I am not a judgemental,pearl-clutching religious self-righteous type. We play loud rock music,we drink beer,we are tattooed,we are not the picture of what people probably may have of anti-abortion people. My husband and i are very liberal in many ways,libertarian,and we hate the Abrahamic religions,we find them appalling,and a plague and a pestilence upon the human race.We identify with no faith or religion,not even the earth based ones like Vodoun.
You don't have to be religious to abhor something as depraved,sick and disgusting as abortion.
We homeschool our son,we don't watch tv,we encourage in our children,and always have,to never be some one else's problem once you are a grown up. Be independent,be sensible,carry your own weight and make your own way. Be helpful but try to for yourself,require help as little as possible as you move through your life. Manage.Hack it,plain and simple. Those are the ways of the survivor.


For my daughters,i have always taught them,that having a child is a severe life-altering experience,motherhood is not to be entered into lightly.It would not be a trainwreck if one of them fell pregnant,we would still see the child as a blessing.But they were well aware of the cost of living,we have always been rather poor,bit better these days,but they knew how it would limit their options for their futures,no matter how welcome their baby would be,and cared for. But they knew if they sabotaged their future options,we are not the Gates family,there would be Nothing we could do to regain for them what they may miss out on.So they used birth control fastidiously,my oldest till a while after her marriage,she only stopped when they wanted a child. They got 2,twins


I am not a prude,i am perfectly fine with LGBT,transsexuals,crossfressers,hell anything you want to do in your private life,if it involves only consenting adults,i do not care,and your sexual orientation will never influence if i like you or will hang out with you or not.But seriously,even in a country like America,where it seems birth control is harder to come by than in the banana republic where i live,i feel for something so important - LITERALLY the decision to MAKE another person,then to kill them,or just hope to hell you can feed him or her,you or Someone - seriously MAKE THE EFFORT if you can possibly get the money together,to get contraceptives.What Happened to people's sense of..idk even what to call it..Sense of responsibility/decency/self respect/Morals i guess,my husband would call it common dog**ck - the ability to get through life without sabotaging yourself and being independent and sensible,defo not a drain on society.

I have to say again it is almost incomprehensible to me how difficult it sounds,to get hold of something as basic as free birth control in America. Very strange.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 11:25 AM
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Suggesting that it is cheaper to pay for an abortion may be correct, but it does lead us to a really slippery slope. If we are going to reduce lives to dollars and cents, some of you might not like where that leads.

We can use the same arguments for letting old people die. The vast majority of the health care system costs are for end of life care and elderly. If dollars and cents are all that matter and not compassion, then we should be sending the elderly out to pasture... So what if your grand parent needs a $50,000 hip replacement? Let them hobble around and die. Why spend $50k if they probably only have another good five years to live?

Just saying...



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Unfortunately Congress has the authority to tax the people for the common defense but theres nothing in the Constitution about abortion.

It's vital that programs like Planned Parenthood are funded by taxes so that low income women can use donated funds for abortions if they can't afford one vs using donations for regular gynelogical care.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: Raxoxane

Well things like the Hobby Lobby case show that the religious still think that contraceptives are awful things. I have no problems with having access to cheaper contraceptives, but apparently that is taboo as well.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: Raxoxane

the most effective types of birth control are hormonal and many women will be told that she should get off them when they are around 30 years old, at least that's when I was. I would have liked to have had my tubes tied after my third kid but that would have been more money added to the bill that we had no insurance to help pay for...



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:29 PM
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Should be legal to the age of 30 with the parents approval.




posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

You would think that Democrats would be strictly against abortion and also strictly against gun control.

Don't more Democrats have abortions, and don't more Democrats commit most murders in America?

Both of these horrible things reduce the size of the Democratic Party. The number of available votes they can get at election times going forward.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: carewemust


Follow the money. It is cheaper to scrape 'fetal tissue' than spending money on social programs for medical care for the expectant mother. Housing and food, education/day care...on and on.

The same applies to illegals in 'Safe Cities'. Deport the felon-who is likely married with children- and the state foots the bill. Letting him stay and work free monies from social programs that otherwise would have paid for the single mom and her children and is therefore less expensive turning the felons over to the Feds.

The rhetoric of these gov'ts is nothing but smoke. Follow the money.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: carewemust

So you're mad that a republican stood up for the freedom to choose, which is between a person and their doctor, even though it may not be a freedom you agree with?

Of course abortion will be upheld. The rest of the Right Wing needs to get a grip on reality and stop trying to oppress the freedoms of others when it comes to their own choices.



Freedom to choose? Ok, how do you feel about my freedom to choose not to join a union? Is that ok? You’d vote for that wouldn’t you Mr freedom of choice.


Of course you should have that freedom.


I’m proud of your answer. Many progressives insist that their freedom of choice should be your freedom of choice.

If there were less hypocrites on both sides we all would be better



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

All (semi) kidding aside, I hear what you're saying, but what are women under the poverty line supposed to do if they find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy and they simply don't have the funds to pay for an abortion?


It's a tough call in how far do we go in paying for people's failures and mistakes in life. There seems to be a fine line in all this that so many cross, what about limits in you get one...


edit on 5-10-2017 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: carewemust

So you're mad that a republican stood up for the freedom to choose, which is between a person and their doctor, even though it may not be a freedom you agree with?

Of course abortion will be upheld. The rest of the Right Wing needs to get a grip on reality and stop trying to oppress the freedoms of others when it comes to their own choices.



Freedom to choose? Ok, how do you feel about my freedom to choose not to join a union? Is that ok? You’d vote for that wouldn’t you Mr freedom of choice.


Of course you should have that freedom.


I’m proud of your answer. Many progressives insist that their freedom of choice should be your freedom of choice.

If there were less hypocrites on both sides we all would be better


I'm not a progressive and I find that many people on both sides of the spectrum want to force their choices on to others.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: carewemust

So you're mad that a republican stood up for the freedom to choose, which is between a person and their doctor, even though it may not be a freedom you agree with?


The 'freedom to choose' should not be subsidized by a third party.


Of course abortion will be upheld. The rest of the Right Wing needs to get a grip on reality and stop trying to oppress the freedoms of others when it comes to their own choices.


If it's such a freedom, why does it take money from other people?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Kali74

Gee, I am extremely opposed to our military fighting wars overseas - can I opt to not have my tax dollars go towards that?

All (semi) kidding aside, I hear what you're saying, but what are women under the poverty line supposed to do if they find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy and they simply don't have the funds to pay for an abortion? What about a government program that pays for one month of a woman's rent so she can take her own money that would have gone towards the rent and spend it on the abortion?


How about those women act like grown adults and not engage in an activity that could make them pregnant, if they are not ready to have a child? Abstinence is pretty damn cheap.



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