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originally posted by: TracyC
There is no way to prove any of this.
It is all conjecture and wild imaginings.
The Abzu or Apsu (Cuneiform: 𒍪 𒀊, ZU.AB; Sumerian: abzu; Akkadian: apsû, ), also called engur (Cuneiform:𒇉, LAGAB×HAL; Sumerian: engur; Akkadian: engurru - lit., ab='water' zu='deep'), was the name for fresh water from underground aquifers which was given a religious fertilising quality in Sumerian and Akkadian mythology. Lakes, springs, rivers, wells, and other sources of fresh water were thought to draw their water from the abzu. In this respect, in Sumerian and Akkadian mythology it referred to the primeval sea below the void space of the underworld (Kur) and the earth (Ma) above.
Nu (also Nenu, Nunu, Nun), feminine Naunet (also Nunut, Nuit, Nent, Nunet), is the deification of the primordial watery abyss in the Hermopolitan Ogdoad cosmogony of ancient Egyptian religion. The name is paralleled with nen "inactivity" in a play of words in, "I raised them up from out of the watery mass [nu], out of inactivity [nen]". The name has also been compared Coptic noun "abyss; deep".
Genesis 1New International Version (NIV)
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: mysterioustranger
Unless of course life originated in the future and somehow traveled into the past.
There are a multitude of nonlinear scenarios that could account for existence and that are just as visible as the something from nothing ideology given our district lack of understanding regarding space-time and quantum mechanics.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: MarsIsRed
As you are probably aware Quantum physics explains that there are limits to how precisely one can know the properties of the most basic units of matter.
For instance, one can never absolutely know a particles position and momentum at the same time. A bizarre consequence of this uncertainty is that a vacuum is never completely empty but instead buzzes with so-called virtual particles(photons) packets of light that constantly wink into and out of existence.
When two mirrors are placed facing each other in a vacuum, more virtual photons can exist around the outside of the mirrors than between them, generating a seemingly mysterious force that pushes the mirrors together. This is indeed a form of something from nothing, hence everything could indeed have come from nothing under the correct circumstance.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
We have no evidence nothingness ever existed or can possibly ever exist. So based on the evidence, somethingness has always existed. To assert nothingness is possible you have to prove it is possible. Imaginary thoughts are meaningless.
originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
Consider there is an element you do not see, that would be comparable to a Universal medium. This universal medium would be a un-observable universe element. Or a element that cannot be fully perceived by beings related to or from the observable universe. This universal medium would be like or similar to what is understood as dark matter - dark energy or just energy that is not fully understood by many current observers within...
Its not dark matter-energy because of its color or consciousness frequency. Its dark because the minds of the OBSERVERS trying to understand it cannot understand it, so its like a blind or dark spot in the world of hypothesized theories, as far as what it is.
So this universal medium is moving (at what speed pace universally?) not sure, as to scale it requires the complete area-perimeter map data of THIS universe and the overall volume data of the universal medium / dark energy and the complete weight as well as volume of the observable universe materials & inhabitants-growth data...
This mediums movements is basically what is affecting the galaxy spins-rotations and falls and even drifts/gravity & electromagnetism.
Look at it like a swimming pool - tank OR SOME KIND OF ENCLOSED CONTAINMENT DEVICE full of jello like material - transparent jello cold-warm-hot plasma energized like material.
The transparent jello like material would be the un-observable universal medium.
Now add some more DENSE materials into the jello cold-hot plasma like material in various regions of the pool-tank. The more dense material would be Observable universe... As the dense material is added it falls - settles - slides collects in the jello like plasma at different paces, based on the material weight and types that gather and collect together as well as the density of the un-observable universal medium holding them in their particular regions.
These areas of collection would be Galaxies & Nebula and the more dense areas or observable universe interacting with less dense regions of the un-observable universe in the more falling like regions would be Black and hypothesized White hole regions...
The un-observable is moving fast remember its more material overall by volume then the observable universe. This then causes the observable universe to also be moving- spinning - falling - rising within the un-observable medium at various rates of speed...
So now you have dense material/Observable Universe, moving fast within a lesser dense material/Un-Observable Universe that is at more volume and so causes more driving force upon the observable as its moving.
It is like the Observable galaxy are sitting on the transparent jello like plasma but are also moving - sliding - drifting within the jello like Un-observable Universal medium.
As the galaxy clusters collect they push away or attract galaxy clusters with their electromagnetic fields generated from friction like processes going on between the dense / observable universe materials and the less dense un-observable universe medium.
To 1 subjectively this is the cause of galaxy movements, rotations possible gravity and electromagnetism...
Visualize the static going on between all the interactions discussed.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Ross 54
So where do you suppose these so-called virtual particles that constantly wink into and out of existence originate or are created if not from nothing?
Until we discover another realm further our understanding of quantum mechanics, are able to measure and observe dark matter and energy, or we are somehow able to measure what came before the singularity that apparently spawned the current iteration of space-time in which we find ourselves, which seems highly "unlightly" given the very unobservable nature of the problem, some questions are going to remain well beyond our grasp an/or ability to even pose or comprehend.
To be honest i don't really have a clue.
I believe that this is where the Big Bang theory falls apart.
The Big Bang theory does not attempt to describe HOW or WHY the big bang occurred, nor does the standard Bib Bang theory attempt to say what was before the big bang.
originally posted by: Devino
The Universe is thought to be expanding faster than the speed of light, according to Huddle measurements. This appears to violate Relativity...