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Multiple videos show shots coming from bottom of Mandalay Bay not 32nd floor

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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 04:17 PM
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echoes......!a reply to: proximo




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: SuicideKing33

It is odd that of the videos available, none do seem to show an incident of people being hit and/or bullets hitting anywhere around someone filming. Maybe YouTube censored these? Maybe none exist.

And as for the bystander you mention who had his buddy hit 3 times in the chest and was interviewed twice (that I saw), you're right -- no noticeable blood on him (though in one interview he didn't have a shirt on). But his entire demeanor was quite strange. Very distant and uncaring. I've never been remotely near such a situation so I have no idea how I might respond, but if one of my friends was blasted three times in the chest by a maniac shooter I'd (a) be at the hospital with him, (b) be in route if not allowed in the ambulance, but definitely not (c) sticking around the scene to be interviewed. I doubt my friend would be happy to hear me tell him - if he survived - "Hey, man, while you were fighting for your life, I was on CNN!"



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: SuicideKing33
I've read a few threads and haven't seen anyone point it out so I guess I'll be the one to ask...

Anyone see any bodies? Any blood? Any bullet holes?

This is in no way disrespect to anyone who lost their lives, I am only going by what I see on video, I was not there.

20,000+ people, and I'm betting 90% had their phones out recording, and I haven't seen one video of a bullet hitting the ground or someone getting hit. No blood on the ground, which you would think would be everywhere.

The TV interviews only serve to bolster these questions...

Some guy saved his buddy who was apparently shot 3 times on his chest. There was absolutely no blood on him...and I really wonder, how possible is it to put 3 rounds in let's say a 12 inch group from 500? yards away with those firearms?

Maybe this should be a thread itself but I'm having deja vu all over again. The TV is fugazi, but you would think video taken on the ground, during the incident would be conclusive.

This is no disrespect, this is just going on what I see/don't see.



Yes there is a very graphic video of a civilian emt checking pulses,... literally pools of blood.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: SuicideKing33
I've read a few threads and haven't seen anyone point it out so I guess I'll be the one to ask...

Anyone see any bodies? Any blood? Any bullet holes?

This is in no way disrespect to anyone who lost their lives, I am only going by what I see on video, I was not there.

20,000+ people, and I'm betting 90% had their phones out recording, and I haven't seen one video of a bullet hitting the ground or someone getting hit. No blood on the ground, which you would think would be everywhere.

The TV interviews only serve to bolster these questions...

Some guy saved his buddy who was apparently shot 3 times on his chest. There was absolutely no blood on him...and I really wonder, how possible is it to put 3 rounds in let's say a 12 inch group from 500? yards away with those firearms?

Maybe this should be a thread itself but I'm having deja vu all over again. The TV is fugazi, but you would think video taken on the ground, during the incident would be conclusive.

This is no disrespect, this is just going on what I see/don't see.


You're not looking hard enough.

As it's a violation of terms and conditions and I'm not linking to images of dozens upon dozens of body bags in a closed intersection with bloody clothes all over the place, and I'm not linking images from hospitals which looks like something out of a slasher film.

Here we go again with the "nobody was killed," absolutely horse#.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: proximo

What I question about the pictures in the hotel is where he killed himself at. It seems to me that he wrote something on that paper before he did the deed. Also odd (not impossible) his foot slipping under that gun. There's seems to be dried blood on his chest as well, and the blood pool he is in seemed to have dried at different times. The shell casings I could see how the blood would leak under them, but you would think you'd see a buildup of coagulation around them. Doesn't seem to be much splatter either other than the few drops where the pistol was probably kicked through the pool. What was the scotch tape for? I know taping around the break in the glass would keep it more consistent but the way it broken doesn't look like he used it. Also is that a pen, a trimmer, or a razor knife, and on the right side is that a single bullet standing?



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: MrParanoid

Right??? I mean I think we can all agree the TV is just interference at this point. Nothing truthful about it at all. The "news" is downright criminal.

The video taken on the ground though, should leave no doubt.

No muzzle flash, no dirt/grass kicked up or the "whizzing" sound of bullets going by. I wonder how many rounds were allegedly fired? 1000? There must be bullet holes everywhere right? In cars, other buildings, the ground etc.

There's even a video of a lady recording on her phone saying "I don't see anyone actually injured" She was there and was recording it...she should have seen it all.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: proximo

Check the other threads. This has already been covered ad nauseum. Careful watching of the videos show that the strobe still goes even when the sound stops. Not only that but there is video from hours before the shotting that shows the same light in the same spot. We even have police saying it's a strobe light on radio and witnesses reported that it had been annoying them for hours. And that's not even getting in to the fact that there was no broken glass.


Yep that's a strobe but this video
doesn't need bullet echo experts to assess
It's the police audio beginning to end.
Spoiler Multiple shooters were called in by
many police officers. Including the swat
team on the 32nd floor and clearly state
"multiple shooters with Automatic Weapons
32nd and 29th floors"
They'd probably know.
That's at the 20 min mark.

However if you can listen to
the entire audio. It only adds credence to
multiple shooters.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

I never said nobody died. You are reacting emotionally. The only horse# is not one video I've seen shows a single bullet hitting anything.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: SuicideKing33
a reply to: RomeByFire

I never said nobody died. You are reacting emotionally. The only horse# is not one video I've seen shows a single bullet hitting anything.


What do you think you would see ? From cell phone cameras at a distance ?
This is not the movies and the glorified special effects made to where you can see to know what is happening.
This was real life

edit on 10/4/17 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: UnderKingsPeak
Go to a canyon. Let someone fire one shot up in the air a distance from you .
Listen. I bet you hear many shots. And to the untrained , multiple types.
It is called acoustics.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: SuicideKing33
a reply to: RomeByFire

I never said nobody died. You are reacting emotionally. The only horse# is not one video I've seen shows a single bullet hitting anything.



Yup. And according to you, no blood, either.

I'm not dealing with this level of incompetence.

Peace!



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: SuicideKing33
a reply to: MrParanoid

Right??? I mean I think we can all agree the TV is just interference at this point. Nothing truthful about it at all. The "news" is downright criminal.

The video taken on the ground though, should leave no doubt.

No muzzle flash, no dirt/grass kicked up or the "whizzing" sound of bullets going by. I wonder how many rounds were allegedly fired? 1000? There must be bullet holes everywhere right? In cars, other buildings, the ground etc.

There's even a video of a lady recording on her phone saying "I don't see anyone actually injured" She was there and was recording it...she should have seen it all.



Yup. No one was actually injured.

Those murdered are crisis actors. Those injured are crisis actors.

The 30,000 people attending are being paid off.

# off.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: SuicideKing33
a reply to: MrParanoid

Right??? I mean I think we can all agree the TV is just interference at this point. Nothing truthful about it at all. The "news" is downright criminal.

The video taken on the ground though, should leave no doubt.

No muzzle flash, no dirt/grass kicked up or the "whizzing" sound of bullets going by. I wonder how many rounds were allegedly fired? 1000? There must be bullet holes everywhere right? In cars, other buildings, the ground etc.

There's even a video of a lady recording on her phone saying "I don't see anyone actually injured" She was there and was recording it...she should have seen it all.



Yup. No one was actually injured.

Those murdered are crisis actors. Those injured are crisis actors.

The 30,000 people attending are being paid off.

# off.

Shh....I may have a surprise for the ones showing extreme ignorance in the near future.
If I can, I guarantee it will shut these folk up on their imaginary aspect of what happened.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:16 PM
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In a few videos there look to be shot coming from the FAR Mandalay building, the Delano, which is an "L" shaped stand alone building a little west of where the main guy was and this would explain the sound differences in the shots, especially coming from the video of the cab driver. I'll look for the video, but the one we "all" have seen of people in the crowd, with the 2 girls running holding hands, the security guard with the vest on and the girl crawling on the ground -> then pans to the shots from the building (screams). Well when it pans, there is a building in the background on the right side, on the Mandalay property, and there are flashes coming from at least 2 locations towards the bottom center of the structure. I would guess 14-25 floor of that building.
I'll look for links.


(post by DigginFoTroof removed for a manners violation)

posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:40 PM
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originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
a reply to: Gothmog


Just wait before you proclaim anything about me...

edit on 10/4/17 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

I should have been more specific. The statement you made comparing the venue to being in a canyon, was F'in stupid.

I tried to upload 3 images of this "VAST CANYON of hotels for the sound to bounce of of (HAHAHHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) That is the dumbest thing I've heard this entire news story!!!!!!

Since you are the ATS MASTER, do use all a favor, remove all doubt about this CANYON EFFECT playing any part in there being more than one gun location. GO TO GOOGLE MAPS AND USE GROUND VIEW TO LOOK FROM THE CORNER OF MANDALAY BAY TOWARDS THE VENUE.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO THIS and help and young dumb ATS noob and prove that you were correct in in this canyon effect.

If you are correct in showing a hotel/building that would produce a canyon effect from behind where the bullets were aimed (within direct line of sight or within about 30 degrees in either direction, otherwise the sound echo would be pointless to say it bounced BACK at the venue).

Please look. Post ground pics. (I'd do it but my "image posting" icon just gives a blank box with an X in it and dragging a pic to it doesn't do anything....)


Thanks for the help ATS MASTER!



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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There is no "CANYON EFFECT" others have stated the same on this forum.


www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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This cannot be possible and I am going to show you exactly why...


and this one


No other windows were shot out...sorry but no, I was there and there was not second shooter below floor 32. On floor 32 I am still unsure.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 10:38 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but, aren't those windows machanically blocked from opening Suicide attempt??

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edit on 4-10-2017 by Komodo because: (no reason given)



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