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Las Vegas massacre: Now is not the time for gun control debate, White House says

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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: UKTruth

a reply to: ADSE255


What needs to be understood is that, they're saying that Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the Nation yet, the highest death count. Why is that?

The gun control proponents argument countering that argument is making guns illegal in one part of the country doesn't prevent people from importing them from another state, where they are still legal. That goes on a lot. Their 'solution' is making them illegal everywhere there by preventing people form importing guns from one part of the country to another.

The problem with that argument is drug dealers and associated gang activity in places like Chicago for instance, secure tons of drugs illegally from outside the country as well as illegal automatic firearms to defend their 'turf'. The authorities can't stop either from entering the country.

The gangs will remain armed (in places like Chicago and elsewhere) even if every gun store is shut down in the whole country.


People need to know by now that it's the government who are abetting the illegal drug and fire arms trade.
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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
Why is the gun crime rate so high in Chicago despite the strict gun laws? Has anyone answered that?


Look up straw purchases and the role Indiana plays in many of the guns found in Chicago.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: Pyle

The politicians in Chicago can point fingers at Indiana if they want, but it seems to fall flat when you realize that Chicago has a homicide rate almost five times that of the state of Indiana. If guns from Indiana were such a problem, why is it so much less of a problem in Indiana?

As for straw purchases, yep, that's a problem, but its also illegal.
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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: mobiusmale
After Nice, Berlin and the London Bridge incidents (and some others), we should have immediately had discussions about truck controls...


there are at least 2,446,294 AR-15 rifles currently available in the United States.


Number of Assault Weapons in the US


This politically defined category of guns (Assault Weapons) — a selection of rifles, shotguns and handguns with “military-style” features — only figured in about 2 percent of gun crimes nationwide before the ban.


The Assault Weapon Myth

So...quite obviously...the problem of violent assaults in America using firearms goes way deeper than the sale of Assault Weapons.

Some say the real emphasis should be on the breakdown of the American family (resulting, partially, in an epidemic of gang-related violence). Others say there is a strong link to the massive increase in the use of depression and anxiety medication across America (ever listen to the drug ads, "...may increase suicidal thoughts and actions..."?)



I believe another point to add is how the flagrant media dishonesty and lying politicians is another possible cause of people ending up going berserk. Constant lies no matter who does it causes anger, frustration, and sadness, and depression to those that lies are being told to. Sooner or later someone will break. There should be laws against officials in government, and the news media telling lies. There used to be but Obama had those rescinded.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I agree. Really good points youve made. The Gov. Is indeed attempting to disarm the general population and as you've mentioned, events like this can be found in our history books. What amazes me is that people aren't interested in their own history. Historical fact tells us that this is a repeat of said events, and it's being used against a modern and extremely arrogant population who can't even reason simplicity let alone common sense.

It will indeed take a modern day Moses to awaken the blind deaf and willingly stupid to turn this, about face.

Thank you for your input.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: alldaylong

Simplistic nonsense. The UK is not the US.


The UK is quite different than the US you're right. Different ideas. Different cultural values. And different ways of looking at the world.

Any government hell bent on ripping he rights of the people who pay them to stay in power year after year, should be a major wake up call to everyone who value their freedom to choose.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:51 PM
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A few quotes on gun control.



Like
Adolf Hitler
“To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens.”
― Adolf Hitler






“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.” 
― Jeff Cooper, Art of the Rifle




“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
― Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf



“An armed society is a polite society.” 
― Robert A. Heinlein



“I think we may have reached the point where guns need to be confiscated from police officers.”
― Steven Magee





One man with a gun can control a hundred without one.”
― Vladimir Lenin





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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 08:35 PM
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Wise words




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: vor78
a reply to: Pyle

The politicians in Chicago can point fingers at Indiana if they want, but it seems to fall flat when you realize that Chicago has a homicide rate almost five times that of the state of Indiana. If guns from Indiana were such a problem, why is it so much less of a problem in Indiana?

As for straw purchases, yep, that's a problem, but its also illegal.


Well one you are comparing a City to an entire state.

I am sure you have heard of Gary, Indiana and Indianapolis has sadly lots of deaths related to guns every year. It just isnt making national news like Chicago.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: SleepyDude

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: UKTruth

a reply to: ADSE255


What needs to be understood is that, they're saying that Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the Nation yet, the highest death count. Why is that?

The gun control proponents argument countering that argument is making guns illegal in one part of the country doesn't prevent people from importing them from another state, where they are still legal. That goes on a lot. Their 'solution' is making them illegal everywhere there by preventing people form importing guns from one part of the country to another.

The problem with that argument is drug dealers and associated gang activity in places like Chicago for instance, secure tons of drugs illegally from outside the country as well as illegal automatic firearms to defend their 'turf'. The authorities can't stop either from entering the country.

The gangs will remain armed (in places like Chicago and elsewhere) even if every gun store is shut down in the whole country.


People need to know by now that it's the government who are abetting the illegal drug and fire arms trade.


Thanks, I do agree wth you. They do have competition.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: ADSE255

I will entertain any law that effectively convinces the criminal element to obey the law and not do illegal things with guns.

I will not entertain any law that restricts or punishes law-abiding citizens.


It's that simple.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: ShawnTBear
I really don't understand how hard that is to understand.

I also do not understand how conservative media can say with a straight face, that a gun tragedy is not the time to politicize gun violence but have no problem politicizing Immigration issues right away, whenever an immigrant kills American, mainly Muslims.


Because there is a difference between immigration and a constitutional right.

Why is it a bad idea to try and attempt legislation in the immediate aftermath of an event involving a large number of civilian casualties?

Let me ask - What was the aftermath of 9/11?



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: ShawnTBear

Gun control laws are federal and therefore apply to every person city and state. Your analysis that its coming from areas without those laws is a fallacy based on ignorance.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Great point.

After 9/11, we got The Patriot Act.

Basically, a law that screwed personal freedoms.

I can imagine similar laws with similar results if some get their way.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
Now tell me again that Gun Control doesn't work.


The very fact they occurred I think clearly demonstrates the fact that the laws dont work. If they did you would have 0 mass shootings.

Why are all police in N. Ireland armed?
Why do departments in England / Scotland have armed response officers?



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: ShawnTBear

Gun control laws are federal and therefore apply to every person city and state. Your analysis that its coming from areas without those laws is a fallacy based on ignorance.


Gun control laws are not all federal ones. California has tons of state created gun control laws. All states have state particular laws on guns.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 10:01 PM
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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: ShawnTBear

Gun control laws are federal and therefore apply to every person city and state. Your analysis that its coming from areas without those laws is a fallacy based on ignorance.


Gun control laws are not all federal ones. California has tons of state created gun control laws. All states have state particular laws on guns.


All defined by Federal law and Supreme court rulings. Federal law preempts state law, which is why a lot of state gun control laws have been struck down - including California's.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Ha, looks like the Volant site is shut down.


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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

Interesting -


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adjective
1.engaged in or having the power of flight.
2.moving lightly; nimble.
noun
3.Also called volant piece. Armor. a reinforcing piece for the brow of a helmet.

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