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The Second Amendment is Not The Problem, Violent Groups Like Antifa, BLM etc Are the Problem.

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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:40 AM
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originally posted by: CraftyArrow
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

He was wearing black. ANTIFA and ISIS favorite color is black. He's more than likely a radical leftist convert because of the targets he chose. I would say he's in the ANTIFA and ISIS realm.


Lol REALLY???

I wear all black, all day, every day. Unless I'm at work in which I wear my uniform shirt over my black ones.

I am not affiliated with any political parties, protest groups, etc... I'm a metal musician and I like black.




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:43 AM
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Yet, the highest violence total each year in America is from the fringe of the right-wing.

The Second Amendment is not the problem. Guns are not the problem. Arbitrary assignment of political "sides" is not the problem.

The problem is we are killing each other, every day, at a horrific rate. We need to figure out if there's a way to stop that.


edit on 4-10-2017 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: CriticalStinker

You see we could even ask the Muslim members like "enslavedservant" who is a Muslim and left-wing. I bet to you that they are either democrats, progressives, or straight out socialists.


Sample size=1



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: LordAhriman

I am not affiliated with any political parties, protest groups, etc... I'm a metal musician and I like black.


You know who else likes black? ANTIFA and ISIS...
Im just saying by his targets and by the black clothes he's wearing... is right up ANTIFA and ISIS alley.

You guys defending the shooter saying he's not ISIS or ANTIFA fit the bill too, so I'm not surprised you guys like to wear black.

Let me guess, your a Ninja too?



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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originally posted by: CraftyArrow

originally posted by: LordAhriman

I am not affiliated with any political parties, protest groups, etc... I'm a metal musician and I like black.


You know who else likes black? ANTIFA and ISIS...
Im just saying by his targets and by the black clothes he's wearing... is right up ANTIFA and ISIS alley.

You guys defending the shooter saying he's not ISIS or ANTIFA fit the bill too, so I'm not surprised you guys like to wear black.

Let me guess, your a Ninja too?


Know who else liked black?

Johnny Cash.

I guess he was a terrorist as well.

Who else?

Elvira, Mistress of the Dark

Yep, definitely Eeeeevil.




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

It sounds like some of you are stuck in the 70s and 80s. Is this the senior citizen forum?



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: CraftyArrow

Who is defending the shooter? We are simply pointing out that you have no basis for repeating the unwarranted claim that he "must" be Antifa or ISIS. He was a gun nut real estate speculator: primo Trump supporter material.
edit on 4-10-2017 by DJW001 because: Edit too correct autocorrect. --DJW001



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: CraftyArrow
a reply to: Gryphon66

It sounds like some of you are stuck in the 70s and 80s. Is this the senior citizen forum?


With stunning observational skills like that, you'll go far here at ATS.




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: CraftyArrow

You know who else likes black? ANTIFA and ISIS...
Im just saying by his targets and by the black clothes he's wearing... is right up ANTIFA and ISIS alley.

You guys defending the shooter saying he's not ISIS or ANTIFA fit the bill too, so I'm not surprised you guys like to wear black.

Let me guess, your a Ninja too?


Literally NOBODY is defending him.

In his death pictures he's wearing a brown shirt and black pants... which pictures are you referring to?
edit on 4-10-2017 by LordAhriman because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 11:54 AM
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I need to GRAB a cup of CHAI, as I'm sure many here are several cups DEEP themselves...

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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 12:04 PM
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Like almost every right wing conspiracy, this one is not based on any facts. I am going to guess someone on some right wing blog, media outlet or maybe a friend of the OP, said he was probably left wing and from there it turned into a "factual" claim that people like the OP can run with.

Muslim extremists are right wing and that is a fact. They fit almost every conservative checklist and if american laws did not keep a lot of conservative in check, we would have times like the Salem witch trials again.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 12:06 PM
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The problem isn't violent groups like Antifa and BLM.

The problem is two fold.

1. our media. Both conservative and liberal trying to divide us and stiring up hate.
2. Mental healthcare in this country.

Stop listening to the news and start mandating and pushing for better mental healthcare for all.

OP is part of the problem, by only blaming liberal groups. They've been brainwashed too. Wake up people!



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 12:14 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

A NATIONAL MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM ...duh.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 12:27 PM
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'Muh America is Free' 'Muh Constitution'

Ban and Outlaw people I don't like...



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 01:15 PM
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Oh and btw, what I am trying to point out is that this lunatic could have been both an Antifa member/fan, and an ISIS sympathizer. Which would be why both Antifa and ISIS take credit for his murderous deed.


He could also have been a member of the Tea-Party. Just because someone claims something doesn't make it fact. (ex: I could claim I landed on the moon. But it just ain't true)

Let's be honest. You're right wing, (I'm assuming very right) and you just really, really don't like people on the left. So to make it a valid hatred, (too strong?) you identify anything that's horrible, evil and/or disgusting to the left. That way you are free to demonize with righteous fury.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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Because a group talks violence, a person doesn't have the ability to not be violent. Much like owning a fire arm causes a person to shot others.

I understand though, we are in an age where very few take responsibility for their own actions. Not ME....



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66

A NATIONAL MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM ...duh.


Great place to start Cav!




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
The "caliphate" is not left wing.



Yes it is, because it is a centralized form of government... Under socialism and communism a "centralized form of government", or what leftists call "nationalization of all infrastructure" is very left-wing.

You forget the 10 planks of socialism/communism?

Directly from a Marxist website.


...
The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
...

www.marxists.org...

A centralized form of government is "left-wing", hence a Caliphate is very left-wing since it is the centralization of power to one entity/state.


edit on 4-10-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: amazing

The media is not "trying to divide us"... The media are part of the people. You can claim all you want "we are one", when in reality we all have different opinions. Even in these forums you can see members espouse the same sentiment that the media espouses.

Several of you want "gun control" and most of you call it "sensible gun control" just like the media calls it.

Several of you claim President Trump is not your President, and we have seen many in the left in these forums espouse the same disdain and hatred against President Trump, and Trump supporters just like the left-wing media and groups like Antifa espouse it.

You all in the left also claim that "alternative media that is conservative" alongside other conservative media are "fake news", just like the left-wing media espouses. Many of you have even stated that you think there should be control over the news, just like the left-wing media and other left-wing groups have stated.

This claim that "the government and the media want to divide us" is nothing but a red herring, we are divided because we have different views. Eventually the United States will be divided in several sections. It won't be "because of the government and the media". It will be because people are divided. You cannot have a left-wing and right-wing form of government, eventually one side will take over. It's been happening and will continue happening for a very long time.

BTW, that is not to say that there are no forces trying to use that divide against the principle of the Union. People like George Soros, and other progressives from both camps are working towards this goal. To use the divide that exists between the American people to further their globalist plans.



edit on 4-10-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: Eshel


He could also have been a member of the Tea-Party. Just because someone claims something doesn't make it fact. (ex: I could claim I landed on the moon. But it just ain't true)


First of all, there is no evidence at all that can be corroborated that he "was right-wing"... When something is in written form it is different.


originally posted by: Eshel
Let's be honest. You're right wing, (I'm assuming very right) and you just really, really don't like people on the left. So to make it a valid hatred, (too strong?) you identify anything that's horrible, evil and/or disgusting to the left. That way you are free to demonize with righteous fury.


What do you call "very right"?...
BTW, i am pointing out facts... Not trying to make excuses. These are facts... Fact number one both Antifa and ISIS have claimed that the Las Vegas murderer was leftwing and was part of their group, or a sympathizer...

2. He attacked a concert which is known to be attended by mostly conservatives. Before the concert started the people attending the concert were singing "God Bless America"... ALL OF THEM...

Here is a video showing the public at the concert singing "God Bless America".



This was a concert which conservatives attended. BTW, there were many people of different races there... Because opposite to what the "left" claims. There are many Hispanics, and many different minorities who are also conservative...

This murderer obviously hated conservatives in general, which makes it more likely that he was left-wing part of Antifa as the group claims, and a sympathizer of ISIS as well because Antifa are sympathizers of groups like ISIS.

But it isn't just groups like Antifa, who despite claiming they are against it, support ISIS. BTW, i am not saying all Muslims support ISIS, or that everyone in the left support ISIS...so don't try to put words in my mouth.

Look at the reactions of many Berkley students to this man, who is not really a member of ISIS, but wanted to see what reaction he got from students.

if you haven't realized it yet, Antifa and ISIS have a lot of things in common.

1. They both attack statues that they call racist/imperialistic, including attacking private property of other people.
2. They both want to suppress the speech of their opposition.
3. They both incite violence and call for open war.
4. They both use violence against their opposition.
5. They both attack capitalism in general and both groups are very left-wing wanting a form of socialist system.




edit on 4-10-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.

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