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Sometimes bad people do bad things

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posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: introvert

I guess bad people will justify anything.



Thought



Yes, even good people will justify anything. (I said it before you did so I win
)

I'm just a flawed man.

A simple human.

I want to shout out that this is WRONG!




posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ketsuko
But I don't think a lot of people have every learned who they really are or what it means to love that person. If you can't love who you are, how can you love someone else?


It's not hard. The only person in the world that I hate is myself, and I don't mean that to sound edgy. I have nothing but contempt for who I am.

I have no problem with random people, why would I? I can easily accept them, simply because they aren't me. Putting others first comes pretty naturally.


People often confuse love with having nothing but endless approval for oneself.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: DBCowboy

If I were an Atheist who didn't believe in an afterlife or consequences it would be a lot easier to do something like this. I mean if our life is meaningless so are our actions and ultimately our deaths.


I think you would be surprised. It doesn't suddenly become easy to do something like this, because the act of killing comes with finality. There's no easy escape of sending yourself and others to heaven. There's only death. In a way that makes life much more precious, because when it's all over you don't get another one.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: introvert

The media and the whole world uses the term descriptively non religiosly
and objectively.

Do you deny this? Denying the media has everything to do with this?
Isn't an intelligent stance at all.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy



I want to shout out that this is WRONG!


And I would completely agree. It is wrong.

Is it "evil"?

Well, when someone can actually define what that means, then we can talk.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

Evil is subjective, but only if you consider yourself, "good".


Exactly. Look at how many people carry out "evil" acts, and yet they can justify it in their mind as committing an act of ultimate "good".


That makes it even more evil.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: introvert




Right or wrong, good and bad...we can universally agree on, but good or evil is subjective.

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I just want to tell you what I see wrong with that and we can let it go
if you like. What you are really removing from the discussion in my view
is this. If this guy is a lone gunman and the media is on the up and up
then I guess we can say this was all carried out by a very bad man.

But if you think it's unintelligent for me to consider that he might be
a patsy? Based on everything we all have seen or heard in the media?
I have to say you are wrong. Because if he is a patsy then there ius
no more appropriate word for that than evil.

So if you wish to limit peoples thinking process to only what the media
is saying. Then start with media first. They sensationalize the word more
than anyone. See evil is only subjective in a religeous connotation.
But the whole world uses it descriptively.




I thought we were talking about good and bad, what does a patsy have to do with this?



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:40 PM
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The media and the whole world uses the term descriptively non religiosly and objectively.


I do not use that term at all. Therefore your assertion is void. Also, I do not care how the media uses it and I do not use their verbiage to form my own opinions.



Do you deny this? Denying the media has everything to do with this? Isn't an intelligent stance at all.


The media has nothing to do with how I form my own opinion or how I approach issues.

Perhaps you shouldn't either.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:40 PM
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I thought we were talking about good and bad, what does a patsy have to do with this?

I would think that using that man as a patsy would be more "evil", whatever that means. And we can all agree with that I hope.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

Evil is subjective, but only if you consider yourself, "good".


Exactly. Look at how many people carry out "evil" acts, and yet they can justify it in their mind as committing an act of ultimate "good".


That makes it even more evil.



So the woman that steals from the grocery store to feed her family, who can justify the act in her own mind as being an act for the ultimate good, is evil?

Is her act wrong? Of course.

Is it evil? I say it's not.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Liquesence

But people doing bad things is not the same as evil people doing evil things.



I don't believe in "evil."

Bad people do bad things.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: introvert

No. If Joey steals a car for a joy ride, it is morally wrong, illegal, and punishable.

However, if hackers break into a system stealing the identity and personal information doing irreparable harm financially and psychologically to millions of innocent people, that is evil.

As I said, you know it when you see it.




So crime is evil based on the education used to carry it out?



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko


Good and evil.


Don't exist.


Right and wrong.


Do exist. Are they absolutes?


Moral absolutes. They do exist.


According to whom? Kant?



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

Evil is subjective, but only if you consider yourself, "good".


Exactly. Look at how many people carry out "evil" acts, and yet they can justify it in their mind as committing an act of ultimate "good".


That makes it even more evil.



So the woman that steals from the grocery store to feed her family, who can justify the act in her own mind as being an act for the ultimate good, is evil?

Is her act wrong? Of course.

Is it evil? I say it's not.


Yeah, actually it is worse.

The person who steals in desperation is still stealing.

We apparently all seem to agree that stealing is wrong.

There is one person in this scenario, though, who doesn't seem to think it's wrong, and that's the person who justifies stealing out of desperation.

I would say that if you have two people who stole out of desperation, the one who feels guilty because they knew what they were doing was wrong is less bad or evil than the one who justifies it and absolves themselves of guilt for their wrongdoing because they stole out of desperation.

Wrong is still wrong.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:51 PM
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Did you not understand the first response to your initial question?

The woman stealing to feed her family is not evil to begin with.

Looters during a riot breaking windows of small businesses going after electronics, jewelry, high dollar sneaker? Evil.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:53 PM
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Yeah, actually it is worse. The person who steals in desperation is still stealing. We apparently all seem to agree that stealing is wrong.


It is wrong, but I would not call it evil.



I would say that if you have two people who stole out of desperation, the one who feels guilty because they knew what they were doing was wrong is less bad or evil than the one who justifies it and absolves themselves of guilt for their wrongdoing because they stole out of desperation.


Is personal guilt, or lack thereof, a prerequisite of being labeled evil?



Wrong is still wrong.


True. But is wrong the same as being "evil"?



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: thesaneone




I thought we were talking about good and bad, what does a patsy have to do with this?


Patsy redefines the whole event. Planning something like this
fmost likely but not limited to some political agenda? I'm sorry
but that's more than just wrong or bad.

That would define evil diabolical devious wicked.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Stealing out of desperation to feed one's family is worse??

You believe that?

True, stealing in and of itself is wrong, but doesn't the reason ultimately and universally justify the action if the reason is justified?

Do you believe in self defense when it involves the taking of another life over your own?



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

This is going to vary widely by which ethical theory you're going with. If you go with the idea that our purpose in life is to maximize happiness, then you could fall into act unitarianism, which would say that stealing in this instance creates the most happiness and is therefore ok.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: introvert

Did you not understand the first response to your initial question?

The woman stealing to feed her family is not evil to begin with.

Looters during a riot breaking windows of small businesses going after electronics, jewelry, high dollar sneaker? Evil.


I did understand. You mentioned intent. Which proves my point, and refutes the OP, in that evil is an inappropriate term to use because it is subjective and even though their acts may be "wrong", there may very well be justification for their acts.



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