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Topic started on 10-2-2005 @ 02:59 PM by XX_SicSemperTyrannis_XX

The following is an article by Scott McConnell in the American Conservative magazine: Hunger for Dictatorship

It talks about what he describes as the "brownshirting of American conservatism." He states that current conservative government officials aren't fascists (though they may display "tendencies"); however, he points out that there is a constituency for an American fascism "with a democratic face."

This observation is on point, I believe. I've had encounters with such people. They advocate nuclear wars and invasions against all countries that oppose us, jailing liberal dissidents, and creating a behemoth government that tramples on individual freedoms in the name of security. Such people make me feel ashamed to be associated with the Republican Party. It also made me ashamed to be a conservative; however, I then realized that such people are not conservatives.

I want people to know that there are conservatives that value individual freedoms and civil liberties. There are conservatives that value free speech. There are conservatives that are wary of military intervention abroad. I am one of them.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on the article.

reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 03:04 PM by soficrow

A thoughtful balanced post SicTemper. Thanks.

Scanned the article, will read it later. Looks like a good profile of conservative right thinking, and in-party disagreements. Very cool contribution, with a perspective we all need.

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reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 03:12 PM by smallpeeps

Fascism is basically a collective of corporations who are loyal to the every word of the directing government.

From Wikipedia:

Fritzsche and others describe fascism as a militant form of right-wing populism. This mobilization strategy involves Corporatism, Corporativism, or the Corporative State all terms that refer to state action to partner with key business leaders, often in ways chosen to minimize the power of labor unions. Mussolini, for example, capitalized on fear of an imminent Socialist revolution, finding ways to unite Labor and Capital, to Labor's ultimate detriment. In 1926 he created the National Council of Corporations, divided into guilds of employers and employees, tasked with managing 22 sectors of the economy.

I'd say a National Council of Corporations could already be said to exist today in America. The question is, how much power does that council have? It took several years for El Duce's ideas to come to fruition in totality. Did people see the restructuring of corporate Italy in 1926 as a precursor to the brutality that was to come? I don't think so.

reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 03:42 PM by centurion1211

I, for one, am really tired of all the Hitler, Nazi, fascism charges against the U.S. on ATS and in the media. I seem to remember that Hitler, et al DIDN'T bother to rebuild countries his military had defeated and then allow them to vote. No, he mined them for slaves.

This is just juvenile name calling by a bunch of sore losers (some of whom are pretending to be conservatives).

reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 03:49 PM by smallpeeps

I seem to remember that Hitler, et al DIDN'T bother to rebuild countries his military had defeated and then allow them to vote. No, he mined them for slaves.

Well, America is not at war in the same way Hitler was. We live now in the world of Geopolitic and economic warfare. Also, Hitler was not a fascist in the true sense. He did not use guilds to destroy the labor unions as Mussolini did. He used a national-socialist ideology to control industry, which is different.

reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 03:55 PM by Nygdan

Originally posted by XX_SicSemperTyrannis_XX
The following is an article by Scott McConnell in the American Conservative magazine: Hunger for Dictatorship

It talks about what he describes as the "brownshirting of American conservatism." He states that current conservative government officials aren't fascists (though they may display "tendencies"); however, he points out that there is a constituency for an American fascism "with a democratic face."

This observation is on point, I believe. I've had encounters with such people. They advocate nuclear wars and invasions against all countries that oppose us,

A country should go to war with another one that opposes it, if by oppose you mean object to their existence.

There is a split in the solidly rightist right, between isolationists who favour protective tarrifs and free markets, and those who favour promoting security by democratizing hostile foreign nations and globalism with mixed economies.

The protectionists lost in WWI, WWII, and probably will loose ot today.

reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 04:16 PM by soficrow