I have been contacted for a think group to help with hotel security after LV shooting.

a reply to: dfnj2015

You know Israeli solders do that outside of their airports, they confront suspicious persons who meet a certain profile (US doesn't want us to use profiling even though they know it works). They have stopped many crimes that might have been carried out if they once got into the lobby or plane.

If the Hotels just had two armed guards, I don't mean armed with 38's or 9mm, I mean with M-14's, this is a deterent even to try and carry in a firearm knowing if you try to do anything in that hotel you wont live to tell about it and that in a few minutes not over an hour.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That data is probably true...but damn near everybody I know hates flying these days, unless they're flying first class. Flying to your destination used to be fun. Now your just another sardine packed in the can. Most people would rather drive if they could afford the time to do so.

I remember when Vegas Hotels were criminally cheap with plenty of perks, now they're not so much these days and many of the perks are gone as well. Unless you upgrade that is.

originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That data is probably true...but damn near everybody I know hates flying these days,

My wife and just don't fly anymore anywhere. It's not worth the effort.

originally posted by: TDawgRex
That data is probably true...but damn near everybody I know hates flying these days, unless they're flying first class.

I didn't say airports don't suck majorly, because they do, my home airport is one of the worst on the planet. First Class free hooch can only help so much with this.

I remember when Vegas Hotels were criminally cheap with plenty of perks, now they're not so much these days and many of the perks are gone as well. Unless you upgrade that is.

I'm staying on the Strip now and it only ran me $99 a night for a Hilton property.

Does anyone have any ideas that I could bring forth before the team on out next online meeting in 8 hours?

Please do so in detail through a PM. A less than total described idea can be posted here. the less the wackos and terrorists know the better but we want them to know the deterrent will be there.

PM details to me and I will see it is presented to them.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: ChesterJohn


That raises a very interesting question. High-end Vegas resorts have some the best security systems in the world to protect the cash flow of multi-millions per day.


I've heard that he had ten rifles in his room. How is that even possible with their security?? Something stinks here....

It will be interesting to see what video tapes are released to the public (if any). Every inch of a casino is on film so they would have to have surveillance tapes of this nut job coming and going into the hotel.

a reply to: Edumakated

yes very good security one the ground floor in the gambling areas but not so much in the visitor suites.

Cameras are not enough but some sort of multi scan system done with the cameras to determine weapons, firearms, ammunition and explosive chemical components. Again expensive but doable.

Thanks for that Idea.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

How about sensors on the windows to alert broken glass, assuming you can't open the windows to begin with.

a reply to: Edumakated

I saw a third window two floors up and to the center of the building that had curtains blowing out. But have not seen it again. also all shots not are straight on and not at the angle it was earlier. None of the videos we have been given do not show it either.

And yes working with this ABC groups for years they will keep a lot of info out of public knowledge and even in a freedom of information act is honored it will be conveniently redacted at certain points.

Because this info is kept secret not to protect politicians of officials but to protect people from giving out info to perps who would like to copycat. Not to say there wont be. That is why the urgency of the think tank to come up withe viable ideas.

PM links to companies with some of these capabilities so we have knowledge of whom to contact i.e. Apple, Google, GE ect ect ect

a reply to: burdman30ott6

This. There is no way the mafia and syndicate would want such a massive and tragic event like this to take place on their home turf. When it comes to Vegas security they don't mess around; its just one place you don't touch. This was preventable and you better believe vegas elites are having a field day right about now on how to handle and fix this.


Just my two cents.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Edumakated

yes very good security one the ground floor in the gambling areas but not so much in the visitor suites.

Cameras are not enough but some sort of multi scan system done with the cameras to determine weapons, firearms, ammunition and explosive chemical components. Again expensive but doable.

Thanks for that Idea.

There would be cameras in all elevators, stairwells and hallways. There is tape of this guy coming and going.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Does anyone have any ideas that I could bring forth before the team on out next online meeting in 8 hours?

Please do so in detail through a PM. A less than total described idea can be posted here. the less the wackos and terrorists know the better but we want them to know the deterrent will be there.

PM details to me and I will see it is presented to them.

Here's the simplest idea of all time:

Repeal the law or ordinance that allows people to conceal/open carry in Casino's!!!

You're trying to bandaid a severed artery!

This isn't the wild west! You can't shoot people for a cheatin' and say you were legal!!

Cheapest... Most effective START to a solution to this EVERRRRRRR...

Geezus...

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Well, that might work for a highfalutin, fancy hotel but what about hunt'n season and a motel 6 type place, not everyone likes to sleep in the truck.

a reply to: Bramble Iceshimmer

I don't think those locations there are not 5,000 or more people gathered near hunting grounds. But even for small scale motels gun owners and carriers are the best deterrents.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

One of the risks of living in a free society is that there will be people who want to cause harm.

We can either accept that this is a byproduct of living in a free society, or we can stop living in a free society.

a reply to: EternalShadow

If i am not mistaken guns are not allowed to be carried in LV casinos. Reno hotels have some that allow them but many do not allow guns in their Casino/hotel.

Reno had a shoot out a year or so ago between biker gangs who carried guns on themselves when a rival gang showed up and started a fight.

That changed some laws on open or concealed carry.

I hold a concealed carry permit and I have to update my permit every year to renew my permit which is applied via my county but background checks are carried out by the State police dept and it is US wide as well as also with Interpol. They knew my arrest records going back when I was a minor. I had to explain and give details about those arrest which did not result in formal charges or a conviction.

I was a pothead as a youth. But I haven't done any illegal drugs since 1991 and I had been out of trouble since 1986.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I fully agree

Recently nearby our current home town, a man with a CC permit was in a store when a armed man tried to rob it. He confronted the armed who had his gun pointed at the teller. As soon as he went to move to targeted him, he down him with two shots. Both abdomen shots died instantly.

A reminder to open carry or even CC permits, carry gun insurance for when you have to use your gun, it runs as little as $118 a year via USCCA (a great company with gun training as well), And also through NRA, that group I don't like because they are lobbyist and cronies to both Republicans and Democrats. And only recently offered insurance for those who had to use a gun in self defense or defense of others.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I think your treating the symptom, not the solution. The problem isn't the gun. The Problem is the bullets. Bullets have gunpowder in them. Simply have a sensor around the main doors and and elevators. The Sensor would detect the sulfur in the gunpowder. IF it does, A camera sends a video of 10 seconds before the alarms and 10 seconds after to a security desk. In this manner, you notice the person when they enter, as they're checking in, and you require a search of their belongings, instead of violating the privacy of all your customers. Further, if the initial scanner fails. then the elevators pick it up. Set the elevator to 10 secs of vid before, and 2 minutes after. This should give you the floor number, that with the camera system in the hall way will give you the room number, which again, your security can investigate. Keep in mind, its not illegal to have a gun. You can just make it against your TOS to have them in the rooms. They have to be checked while in the hotel. Utilize a coat check system, where the gun is put into an armory for safe storage while the person is there. Worse case they can go elsewhere if they refuse. You also have to clearly not that the hotel is a gun free environment, that way all the crazy people know not to go there (Sarcasm). Realistically while the idea sounds nice, all it does is give the illusion of safety. Crazy people will try anyway.

Camain

Don't need anything other than call the cops if someone starts hauling up platform building materials into one of your suites.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: EternalShadow

If i am not mistaken guns are not allowed to be carried in LV casinos. Reno hotels have some that allow them but many do not allow guns in their Casino/hotel.

Reno had a shoot out a year or so ago between biker gangs who carried guns on themselves when a rival gang showed up and started a fight.

That changed some laws on open or concealed carry.

I hold a concealed carry permit and I have to update my permit every year to renew my permit which is applied via my county but background checks are carried out by the State police dept and it is US wide as well as also with Interpol. They knew my arrest records going back when I was a minor. I had to explain and give details about those arrest which did not result in formal charges or a conviction.

I was a pothead as a youth. But I haven't done any illegal drugs since 1991 and I had been out of trouble since 1986.

Thanks for the clarity.