Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

With more guns than he could possibly use in the room...has anyone yet postulated that this was an arms deal gone bad?

a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

Some people can't help themselves.

Let's credit the police with having the training and intelligence to realise when someone has just shot himself.

a reply to: IAMTAT

I just saw an interview here with the local gun shop owner that sold him a few of the weapons.
He bought it legally and gave away nothing that would trigger an alert with the staff.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Jonjonj
to be honest, I find either version more believable than a 60+ year old man born and raised in texas recently converted to islam, became radicalized to the point where he did this kind of thing.

Right? I am still wondering if this whole thing isn't, as has been mentioned, a Manchurian candidate. None of it makes sense.

Then again, with people as we are, the nonsensical things make the most sense, because we make no sense.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
a reply to: Grambler

I've heard people around work saying that because this guy is soo far away from 'fitting the profile'
that they are starting to believe that someone came into his room, killed him, opened fire and got away.

I'm working and have not been able to follow the thread.
Has anyone brought this up at all?

Yes this has been brought up.

I am not leaning that way, but am open to hearing any theories.

If this is the case, perhaps surveillance cameras in the hallway would have picked up the real shooters fleeing, or entering his room.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: Grambler

Great summary, but there was one more thing, but I'm not sure if it was confirmed or not. There were people running around the concert before the shooting began saying 'you are all going to die'.

Was that ever confirmed, and if so have those people been accounted for?

I would like to know too.

There is a video posted a few pages back with an eyewitness saying that it happened.
A woman was telling people there that they were all going to die. She and another person were escorted away from the concert because they were upsetting people.

Yeah, I watched it earlier. I was just wondering if anyone heard whether or not it was being investigated.

Shooting in Las Vegas is again another attempt by the left wing and the Eurogarchs with ISIS's help, against the 1st and 2nd amendment. The Eurogarchs are desperate and search for provocations and chaos to drag the US into a war against North Korea.

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Clearer video

Right near the end you can see the sparks and cups on the ground being shot.

OMG.....

I thought it was just one sniper...multiple autos and no cover...😟😟😟😔

it was mentioned that there was 1 woman who was acting weird saying everyone is going to die...is she someone who is mentally ill and goes around saying this all the time and it just happened to line up with the shooting last night??

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: Grambler

Great summary, but there was one more thing, but I'm not sure if it was confirmed or not. There were people running around the concert before the shooting began saying 'you are all going to die'.

Was that ever confirmed, and if so have those people been accounted for?

a reply to: Liquesence

It's been surprising how fast the information has been coming through. I reckon we'll have a motive (trigger) within hours.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Kandinsky

read an article that said he was gambling huge amounts in recent days too. Apparently his bank accounts show sums in the thousands going in and out. For all we know, he'd racked up an unmanageable gambling debt with someone and went postal under the stress.

From what I've read, that seems to be the most likely explanation—so far.

Maybe he was gambling all his money because he knew he could not take it with him.

originally posted by: Flanker86
Shooting in Las Vegas is again another attempt by the left wing and the Eurogarchs with ISIS's help, against the 1st and 2nd amendment. The Eurogarchs are desperate and search for provocations and chaos to drag the US into a war against North Korea.

As long as we're just making # up, OJ got out of prison yesterday...

The weapon this guy used could have been a Russian PKM 54. Because it sure sounded like one. I watched the the 187 out ft campbel fire a few of these that were seized in combat. They use 7.62x54 rounds. The magazine used at the range live fire Was 100 rounds. Gone in about 40 seconds burst firing. Faster with no burst fire. Loud as heck.

Check out you tube. Lots of them on there. Can't link but check it out. I sure this is what was used.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: soberbacchus

Yeah, the movie plot is too far-fetched... I agree there. But this is a conspiracy site...

The guy was dropping a ton of cash lately and had all those guns in his room... but did he pull the trigger(s)? Is it possible that he was paid to deliver the guns, only to find out at the last moment that he was being set up? That would explain the guns, the extravagance, the planning, the cameras, the claim of responsibility with no evidence, the brother's response, the timing, the positioning...

TheRedneck

If so, then what was the motive for the set-up?

So arms deal façade as a reason to load the room with guns. Kill him like it was suicide. Then open up on the crowd. Escape before police arrive and hunker down in nearby room as a panicked hotel guest.

The question would still remain, why? If set-up (And I sure think it very far fetched) then what was the motive for the invested effort?

Again..if there is any "reason" (and I am not sure there is) there might be a clue in the first person that was shot.

originally posted by: Konduit
Found this at the NASA website.

Steve Paddock, Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.

What a heart breaker, no words

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: soberbacchus

Yeah, the movie plot is too far-fetched... I agree there. But this is a conspiracy site...

The guy was dropping a ton of cash lately and had all those guns in his room... but did he pull the trigger(s)? Is it possible that he was paid to deliver the guns, only to find out at the last moment that he was being set up? That would explain the guns, the extravagance, the planning, the cameras, the claim of responsibility with no evidence, the brother's response, the timing, the positioning...

TheRedneck

If so, then what was the motive for the set-up?

So arms deal façade as a reason to load the room with guns. Kill him like it was suicide. Then open up on the crowd. Escape before police arrive and hunker down in nearby room as a panicked hotel guest.

The question would still remain, why? If set-up (And I sure think it very far fetched) then what was the motive for the invested effort?

Again..if there is any "reason" (and I am not sure there is) there might be a clue in the first person that was shot.

An even better question is, if it was an arms deal, why did none of the dealers make off with the arms?

a reply to: SJE98

Those slugs would each go through several people. Can get crates of the surplus ammo cheap. But where to get the gun now thats another story...

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Kandinsky

read an article that said he was gambling huge amounts in recent days too. Apparently his bank accounts show sums in the thousands going in and out. For all we know, he'd racked up an unmanageable gambling debt with someone and went postal under the stress.

From what I've read, that seems to be the most likely explanation—so far.

Maybe he was gambling all his money because he knew he could not take it with him.

With him where?

"Might as well gamble it away before I shoot up a concert and then kill myself." Makes sense.

a reply to: Grambler

If this is the case, perhaps surveillance cameras in the hallway would have picked up the real shooters fleeing, or entering his room.

Only if this particular hotel actually has cameras in the halls. This was posted by Shamrock6 earlier.

Surprisng information about the cameras in LA casinos

Yet the Associated Press found that 23 of the 27 major Strip casinos have no surveillance in hotel hallways or elevator landings. All but four of the 27 hotels are owned by MGM Resorts International, Caesars Entertainment Corp., Las Vegas Sands Corp. or Wynn Resorts Ltd.

It is not up to date though, so perhaps it has been changed, but who knows?

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: Konduit
Found this at the NASA website.

Steve Paddock, Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.

What a heart breaker, no words

Is that him?