Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

a reply to: BlackSkinhead

Like more laws?

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
In America most mass shootings are actually carried out by young white American Men who are not Muslim.

What you have said is factually incorrect

I'm sorry, I just don't buy this. I was thinking more attacks in general, not just shootings. However, considering all the gang violence, I seriously doubt white males are the prime shooters in the country.

Why do I feel like you want to turn this into a identity politics issue.

FACT. In America most mass shootings are perpetrated by young white males, almost always the attacker is not Muslim.

Now sure you could start talking about gang violence and its impact on other non-white ethnic groups but that is a totally different topic to the phenomenon of mass shootings.

You just seem desperate to pretend that this issue of mass shootings is not a problem with in the white demographic.

Usually its a problem with the MSM demographic and them driving the Mass Shooter Contagion Effect, the tube that owns them also owns the MTV BET radios music industry whom has turned black america into extremely impulse driven bling bling murdah murdah culture to maximize odds they have never ending new gang banger recruits to keep the prisons populated.

Here’s What We Know About The Contagion Effect Of Mass Shootings
In the aftermath of yet another mass shooting in the U.S. — the 351st in the 336 days so far this year — a visibly weary President Barack Obama addressed the nation yet again.

“We have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world,” he said.

This tragic, uniquely American pattern has led to cycle in which each horrific event begets more violence.

These events don’t occur in a vacuum. While the “contagion” effect is well-documented in the case of suicides, it’s been studied less in the context of mass shootings. But as shootings become an ever more commonplace occurrence, more of us are wondering about the possibility of a ripple effect.

We’re starting to better understand the epidemiology behind this tragic trend. While the research is limited, a recent Arizona State University study found strong evidence that school shootings and other acts of mass violence are contagious.

The researchers did a statistical analysis of 176 mass shooting events in the U.S. from 2006 to 2011 and 220 school shootings between 1997 and 2013. They discovered that mass shootings were significantly more likely to occur if another shooting that received national media coverage took place in the previous 13 days — a finding that suggests that mass shootings tend to cluster together in a similar manner to suicides. This was “apparently due to the [media] coverage planting the seeds of ideation in at-risk individuals to commit similar acts,” the study said.

And I insist that the sudden Muslim Wacko Killings in the EU phenomenon is extremely likely to involve the EU's MSM adopting the same coverage methodologies as our MSM does here.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Anyone else noticing how people seem to be confusing mass shootings and terrorism.

Sure in other countries terrorism remains a problem, just look at what the UK has had to put up with this year.

But almost 20 years ago we basically went gun-grabbing, and now not had a single mass shooting event that has been on the kind of scale we see so often in the States. In fact America probably has the worst record for this kind of stuff happening and its just stupid to try to pretend widespread gunownershipr is not part of the problem.

I think trying to equate acts of terror with acts of mass shooting is nonsensical because they are two different issues.

anyone else notice how the bodies arent even cold and the ahole enlightened show up like vultures to tell everyone how superior they are?

As far as I can see nobody has turned up to this thread yet claiming to be enlighten or superior.

I can only imagine that you must think that there are people posting who you see as enlightened or superior to you and that is why you feel this way.

Nothing superior about mourning the senseless slaughter of people. Nothing superior about seeing WHY it keeps happening. It’s just common sense.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: BlackSkinhead

Like more laws?

Sorry does that piss you off more than people dying. My bad

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

What I am seeing in the press is that it was full auto. If that's so, this wasn't likely to be a legal weapon. Those are very rare and very heavily restricted.

originally posted by: Iamnotadoctor
It's so sad to think that once again the NRA will be unjustly thrust into the spotlight for this. Their vigilant crusade to stop any sensible gun legislation will again bring them unfair scrutiny. After all, they are doing their best to make sure that more than 30,000 Americans die this year from gunfire. Please help them in their quest. PRAY FOR THE NRA!

It appears to have been a fully automatic weapon. For all we know, the thing was not a civilian-legal firearm.

originally posted by: BlackSkinhead

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: BlackSkinhead

Like more laws?

Sorry does that piss you off more than people dying. My bad

Not at all. Pretty sure murder is illegal as well as automatic weapons in most states. I'm not sure how you figure more laws will solve the issue.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Flavian

As far as we know this is not a terrorist attack just someone who watches Fox News everyday.

Killing 50 and injuring over 200 sure sounds like a terror attack to me. Or doesn't it count because he isn't Islamic?

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I watched the video a few post back.
That was not an AR15 semi auto rifle.
That was a full auto weapon.
He did not purchase that at the corner sporting goods store.
Can't wait to hear what the police say the weapons are. Will they tell the truth?

can you fire an uzi from that distance of the hotel??

I'm no expert on guns but if it's just some random guy swinging an uzi about??

Or is the distance too far?

If I had to guess it was either an illegal weapon or and illegal modification.
Probably several if reports of multiple weapons is true.

Guns with short barrels are not very accurate with long distances but that doesn't matter much with a large crowd.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: BlackSkinhead
a reply to: Xcathdra

What a joke of a defence to own a gun.

America again always finding stupid ways to protect their guns over the lives of the public.

Clearly the current system doesn't work.

The ban of firearms in the UK and Australia has worked, research it you self.

Don't come back with the stupid argument of how cars should be banned too. Pretty big difference there mate

How many people have been killed in the UK in the last 10 years by firearms?

Apparently your gun control laws dont work either.

Again until you understand the purpose of our 2nd amendment and acknowledge the fact that its existence is due to the British Monarchy then it wont make sense to you.

Are you actually serious? Pick a US city, anyone will do, almost guarantee more have died there as a result of guns than in the whole of the UK over 10 years.

a reply to: Flavian

May be Domestic terrorism.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I watched the video a few post back.
That was not an AR15 semi auto rifle.
That was a full auto weapon.
He did not purchase that at the corner sporting goods store.
Can't wait to hear what the police say the weapons are. Will they tell the truth?

can you fire an uzi from that distance of the hotel??

I'm no expert on guns but if it's just some random guy swinging an uzi about??

Or is the distance too far?

When you are spraying bullets into a crowd of 30k people from the 32nd floor of a neighboring Casino your bound to hit someone. As the vidoes show this was not an aim and shoot scenario. this was spray and pray scenario. Also, again, not all deaths were do to people being shot. There were fatalities from people being trampled / crushed to death in the ensuing panic that resulted from the shots.

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ARM1968

For all those who died, your blood is on the hands of everyone of your countrymen who support the right to carry arms.

I'm pretty sure the the guns used here were probably illegal..
and most of us in the US support the right to carry guns of one kind of another...
it's just how far we should go when it comes to those guns that are for military purposes than they are for hunting purposes.
but, it's quite unfair to say that we all have blood on our hands.
and if you took the guns away from everyone, the crazies would just find another way to kill. when it comes to killing it seems that people have no problem finding new and more effective ways to do it.

this is what?? the third attack in the past three or so day, and I believe they may have all been on the No. American Continent, although I could be wrong about one of them????

YES the crazies WOULD find a way, but it would be so much harder for them. A nut with a knife is not going to kill 50+ people at a concert.

I am always amazed that those of us who see the sickness you cling to as wrong are immediately cast as haters or deluded. Come on. How many, this year alone, have been killed by firearms in the USA. It’s thousands. Is that a price you continually wish to pay?

see this is a common misconception. it is not hard to find a vast majority of ways to kill a large amount of people in the blink of an eye or very subtly without anyone even noticing until its too late. if a person is willing to die to carry out horrific acts like this, a whole slew of options become available. just imagine if he had made himself an explosive vest and blew himself up at the event. could have easily killed and injured just as many people. the act is just the sympton of a deeper rooted problem

Yeah mate. Very cerebral. How often does that actually happen? To you and ALL your right to carry brothers and sisters, how many have died in the USA as a result of firearms so far this year. Look at the numbers and then we can talk.

see the thing is those people are going to commit a crime. if u want to talk about automatic weapons that are highly illegal like this which is very uncommon for any gun owner to possess, then those numbers are tiny. more would die to hammers in comparison. besides your missing the point. people that are going to commit a heinous act will find a way to carry it out one way or another. theres thousands of cases going back throughout mans history for thousands of years long before a firearm ever existed. pandoras box has been opened. the knowledge is out there and its easier then ever in this day and age to create something on a tiny budget with just a little time. shoot i could go to the uk, enter a hardware store and buy everything i need to make a shotgun for under 50 quid

a reply to: ketsuko

That's the whole gist of the argument. People who own legal guns USUALLY do not do this.

A gun modified to be automatic is illegal. He didn't care. He knew he was not going to make it out of this. Likely crazy or on psych meds.

Which is why people with mental health issues bad enough for care need to be banned from owning guns.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Perhaps. But I worked with a Muslim woman from Indonesia in 2003. Her Australian husband converted to islam, because her family would not accept him otherwise.

So there's that...

originally posted by: Flavian

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Flavian

As far as we know this is not a terrorist attack just someone who watches Fox News everyday.

Killing 50 and injuring over 200 sure sounds like a terror attack to me. Or doesn't it count because he isn't Islamic?

It depends on a lot of factors and if it meets the legal definition for terrorism.

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.

If this guy has gone out shooting these people because he believed that it would further a political objective then yeah lets call it terrorism.

If he done it because he was fired from his job last week or just really didn't like country music... then its mass murder.

originally posted by: BlackSkinhead

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Are all Muslims responsible for acts of terrorism in the name of Islam?
Are all Christians responsible for the deaths during the Inquisitions?
Are all non Jews responsible for the Holocaust?
Are all UK citizens responsible for all the deaths by knives in the UK?

The answer is they are not.

Just as all gun owners cant be held responsible for acts committed by a criminal in possession of a firearm.

But all the guns are to blame.

Ffs how blind to the problem are people.

Yes you will still have made killings but at least try and do something about it

Guns do not kill people any more than knives, cars or cigarettes do.

It is the person using those items that create the end result.

a reply to: Skid Mark

People have been killing each other since the beginning of time. And it will continue to happen. This is why I don't understand those who blame guns for mass shootings. People used to kill each other with swords and axes. Do you really think banning guns will solve anything? Those who propose such a ban, clearly do not understand the culture of the American people, and why such a thing could never pass.

I think the more important question should be, what is it, that makes American people commit mass shootings? We need a deep psychological analysis. Like it or not, there's something in the American culture/way of life that drives people to commit these acts.

Hearing the heads on the news say that he had cameras setup for the moment he was taken out. By self or officer is yet unknown.

a reply to: Flavian

Death of about any kind terrifies people.

Terrorism is when violence and intimidation are the methods of achieving political goals. This includes the behaviors of governments as well as civilians.