Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
The security guard was Hispanic right? He was seen with another women earlier? What if the woman who warned people at the concert was that woman with the security guard

Y aknow... this woudnt be th efirst time a security guard w as involved in something like this. the shooter shot at him to give creedence to the security guards story of being not involved in this. Shooter"wings" sec guard to further distance himself.

They need to monitor the Sec guards bank account for a while.

I'd check for gpr on the security guards hands

InfoWars so consider that, but they are reporting on another source.

www.infowars.com...

originally posted by: Dragoon01

originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
And the security guy said the door was opened ... I just find his story bull#.. the guy goes alone unarmed gets shot at by 200 rounds gets only a small flesh wound.

Yes that open door thing is a mystery.
Why is the door to the main suite open?
Was that service cart in front of the door to 32-134 or was it moved to where it is in the crime scene photo?

Pure spit-balling.

Could they have found a hotel worker outfit in the room?

Could the plan have been to walk the cart down the hall and down the service elevator like joe blow collecting carts while Swat was coming up?

originally posted by: Dragoon01
InfoWars so consider that, but they are reporting on another source.

www.infowars.com...

Alex jones has really gone islamopobic past few years

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: daveinats
If he had the hall way covered with cameras, then he could have kept shooting. But he stopped. If he was set up to go down in a blaze of 'blue suicide' then why stop. If on the other hand, another person was in the other room, then there had to be a blame guy. I would not be surprised if there are areas of the room with no finger prints...as in someone wearing gloves or wiping their area down after the 'suicide'...

I've been wondering about this too, all along. Why did he stop shooting? He clearly had much more he could have done....all of those magazines stacked up!! Why did he stop? I've just read your post and havent read through the pages following, so I apologise to everyone if this has been addressed already.

Because the LEO's were about to breach the door to the room of where the shooter was occupied. Then he figured it was time to off-himself.

Well no, not according to their (third or so) updated timeline of events. A few officers arrived in the hallway a minute or two after the shooting stopped at 10:15.......but they didn't execute the first breach until 11:20. He could have kept shooting in that 65 minutes while keeping an eye on them while they cleared the other rooms on the floor (according to the official story). Right?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Desperately holding on? So I guess you know WTF happened right? Enlighten us oh great one.

For effs sake..

You just got done claiming a bunch of crap that makes no sense and someone points it and you go all asshat.

It is not binary. Example: Just because we know that Stephen Paddock was not VP Pence in disguise, does not mean we know everything.

No one went all 'asshat'. I asked a question. If you can tell other people they are incorrect you sure as hell better have some good explanations to counter it and you do not. Just conjecture and some weird ass binary comment about Pence.

I mean, why is it that you can 'speculate' but I cannot?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: daveinats
If he had the hall way covered with cameras, then he could have kept shooting. But he stopped. If he was set up to go down in a blaze of 'blue suicide' then why stop. If on the other hand, another person was in the other room, then there had to be a blame guy. I would not be surprised if there are areas of the room with no finger prints...as in someone wearing gloves or wiping their area down after the 'suicide'...

I've been wondering about this too, all along. Why did he stop shooting? He clearly had much more he could have done....all of those magazines stacked up!! Why did he stop? I've just read your post and havent read through the pages following, so I apologise to everyone if this has been addressed already.

Because the LEO's were about to breach the door to the room the shooter was occupied. Then he figured it was time to off-himself.

The time is a mystery..

I had heard early on that he had multiple rifles because with the fully auto mods (bump stock) there was risk of the barrel welding itself shut from the heat? Otherwise the rifles were not engineered to withstand that rate of fire for very long?

Don't know..

Other possibilities is that he was working on an exit plan?

The timeline needs to be laid out with precision. When he stopped shooting. when he shot the security guard. When he offed himself and when the breech happened.

Last night on this thread, all of those were figured out except for when he shot himself. Read back starting when Ox entered the conversation again and you'll find all of that.

ETA: I don't mean to be an unhelpful asshole with my "go look for yourself" comment. I'm on my phone which is about as slow as molasses; and usually crashes when I try to navigate back through pages. I will give it s whirl though

About him stopping shooting after 10 minutes or whatever, how many practical targets would even have been left at that point?

His effectivity was based on firing into a crowd right? Were there really still masses of people to even shoot at by then?

I haven't seen this mentioned really.

"Stephen Paddock was prescribed Valium months before the massacre. Diazepam - or Valium - is a sedative-hyponotic drug that can trigger aggressive behavior in people with underlying behavioral problems, multiple studies have shown."

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: matafuchs

Who said I know what happened? I was simply pointing out the fact that there is no evidence to suggest this was an anti-Right attack; and that it is delusional to not only treat it as such but also claim that the media are covering up that fact.

a reply to: Jonjonj

Good point. It also seems like he would've stopped shooting right around the time police arrived at the casino. I wonder if that was his cue to make his escape only to find out that his theoretical accomplice left him out to dry.

a reply to: Erno86

Valium is pretty fast acting. It reaches its peak level within 15 minutes to one hour. Any kind of violent outburst would be sudden.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Erno86

Valium is pretty fast acting. It reaches its peak level within 15 minutes to one hour. Any kind of violent outburst would be sudden.

The last thing Valium makes you want to be is violent

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Dragoon01

originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
And the security guy said the door was opened ... I just find his story bull#.. the guy goes alone unarmed gets shot at by 200 rounds gets only a small flesh wound.

Yes that open door thing is a mystery.
Why is the door to the main suite open?
Was that service cart in front of the door to 32-134 or was it moved to where it is in the crime scene photo?

Pure spit-balling.

Could they have found a hotel worker outfit in the room?

Could the plan have been to walk the cart down the hall and down the service elevator like joe blow collecting carts while Swat was coming up?

Could be something like that sure.
Could be that the accomplice had on a security guard uniform or guest services uniform as well and just waltzed right out of the place.

Ok,

NBC article stating the following:

"... investigators are puzzled by two discoveries: First, a charger was found that does not match any of the cellphones that belonged to the gunman, Stephen Paddock.

And second: Garage records show that during a period when Paddock's car left the hotel garage, one of his key cards was used to get into his room."


Link:


www.nbcnews.com...


Not sure of the source of their claim ("multiple senior law enforcement officials") but potentially interesting development....

a reply to: antibren

Different drugs can affect different people in different ways. Valium works by increasing production of GABA in the brain. Think of it this way, if most other neurotransmitters in the brain are positive numbers, GABA is a negative number. In order for a neuron to fire it has to reach a certain number (threshold). By increasing the amount of GABA it becomes harder to hit that threshold. So what GABA, and Valium by extension, does is slow the brain down. In the case of Valium it specifically slows down the limbic system. The part of the brain that controls thinks like emotion, behavior, and long term memory.

Now imagine you're someone with an underlying case of intermittent explosive disorder. You're someone prone to aggressive outbursts with impulse control problems. Now imagine you have those issues and you take Valium. What do you think is going to happen if you slow down the already poor impulse control?

Of course this is just a layman's overview of how it all works. But it should give you an idea of how a drug like Valium can cause aggression in a small percentage of people.

"Another Mass Shooting, Another Psychiatric Drug? Federal Investigation Long Overdue..."

www.cchrint.org...

a reply to: matafuchs

You weren't speculating.

You said the FBI/DOJ and LV PD were lying to the public about the shooter scoping out other locations in order to hide the fact that he was a leftist looking to kill right wingers.

It was ridiculous. More so since the DOJ, FBI, Homeland Security et al ARE the TRUMP administration.

a reply to: Indrasweb

I'm still not prepared to say there was a second shooter. Or even if this other person is an accomplice. But they need to identify and find this mystery woman stat.