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Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: worsaw
Yea, and the way people are reacting im guessing he hit a person or two, crazy. I cant believe no other video picked that up


originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: worsaw
wait a minute, have you guys seen this video?
It sounds like he sniped a couple people before the first barrage of gunfire.
go to 3:10 of the video, you hear a couple single shots, then people start running away, THEN comes the barrage of bullets.
Am i right here?

www.youtube.com...


Wow I haven’t seen this video and it surely sounds like more shots before first volley. I would guess that the shooter might be “sighting” in those shots testing trajectories and such


Those sighting shots lends to even more of professional than is portrayed by MSM?




posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: antibren

I honestly believe there is some butt-covering going on over the delayed response by SWAT.

I've been saying this for a while.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: worsaw
wait a minute, have you guys seen this video?
It sounds like he sniped a couple people before the first barrage of gunfire.
go to 3:10 of the video, you hear a couple single shots, then people start running away, THEN comes the barrage of bullets.
Am i right here?

www.youtube.com...


Just wanted to put this on the newest page as more people need to see this.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: antibren

Unless he had some tracer rounds and could actually see them, just a couple rounds wouldn't give him good ranging. He probably laser ranged the distance, but he would have still had to 'walk' the shots in for aim. Two rounds wouldn't accomplish this. At that distance, downhill, in the dark, he'd need to see results in order to adjust his aim.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: antibren

It's crazy, so this guy can pick off people at like 400 yards away . The way people reacted it seems to be the case which is nuts



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:00 PM
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dp
edit on 5-10-2017 by worsaw because: dp



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:02 PM
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Even if he had a BDC in the scoped rifle he wouldn't have been able to get that shot right in just two shots. A true "sniper" would, but he'd have a spotter and all sorts of other data point to make up the shot. I don't think there's any way this dirtbag was capable of that kind of shooting. And he certainly didn't have the right weapons for it either (at least none that have been described so far).



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Didn't he have Acogs and EOtech sights on most of the rifles? It wouldn't be hard for him to have set them up prior. I'm not the greatest shot with a rifle but that EOtech I have on my AR makes it pretty freaking easy.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: antibren

Unless he had some tracer rounds and could actually see them, just a couple rounds wouldn't give him good ranging. He probably laser ranged the distance, but he would have still had to 'walk' the shots in for aim. Two rounds wouldn't accomplish this. At that distance, downhill, in the dark, he'd need to see results in order to adjust his aim.



Could he have gotten a rough estimate from hitting a soft target like people and there immediate reaction to said bullet... I would have assumed he would have set up a spotting scope although I haven’t seen that either? 32-134?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Even if he had a BDC in the scoped rifle he wouldn't have been able to get that shot right in just two shots. A true "sniper" would, but he'd have a spotter and all sorts of other data point to make up the shot. I don't think there's any way this dirtbag was capable of that kind of shooting. And he certainly didn't have the right weapons for it either (at least none that have been described so far).





You said it yourself. A true sniper would

Edit: I brought that up initially the only two shots shows a real deal professional. Not spraying and praying
edit on 5-10-2017 by antibren because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: worsaw

My initial calculations were 333m, which turned out to be within just a few feet of correct.

People at the casino just heard the shots. The people 1/5th mile away were getting hit. That does tend to explain some of the bizarre calmness at the front entrance of the casino seen in the Taxi video.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: Domo1

Eo's have no magnification and the ballistics from a .223 at that range with elevation are great. Acogs are 2.5x? Same thing.

FCD is right, that would be a real feat without a spotter and proper scope, not to mention environmental factors.

It is interesting however.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: Domo1

He had an EOTech for sure...or at least a red-dot, I couldn't see if it was actually an EOTech brand parallax sight.

I didn't see any ACOG's.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: CajunMetal

The sheriff said in last night's conference that 200 shots were fired down the hall towards security. He also said, during the question period, that security was searching the 32 floor and came upon the suite because the door was ajar. So if the leo had found the shooter suite with the door ajar and subsequently got shot in the leg it would seem it happened through an open door.

Then lvpd arrived they proceeded to not go into the suite but to clear rooms because shooting had stopped.

So he shot the leo or at him through an open or slightly opened door...then closed it? And shot himself...then 45 minutes or so later swat arrived and breached the door.

They didn't specify that the 200 rounds were through an open or closed door. They didnt say the shooter shut the door I'm just guessing from the info provided.

CNN just restated about the 200 rounds inside down the hall a minute ago. And also they are highlighting that he may have had help but not necessarily an accomplice. Hoping new conference is coming tonight.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Domo1

Eo's have no magnification and the ballistics from a .223 at that range with elevation are great. Acogs are 2.5x? Same thing.

FCD is right, that would be a real feat without a spotter and proper scope, not to mention environmental factors.

It is interesting however.


Interesting for sure because it means one of three things. He is one hell of a shot, he had help, or just plain old dumb luck. Either way he hit someone or more than someone with three individual shots



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: antibren

No, I think he started out thinking he was going to pick out individuals and quickly realized how futile (downhill and at night) this was and then resorted to the spray and pray tactic.

People underestimate how hard a downhill shot is. Seems easy, but it isn't at all...especially at night!

No, this guy was no real-deal sniper. No way (in my opinion). He might have watched some movies, but not the real deal. There's a list of a thousand things a real sniper would have done differently.

For one thing...a real-deal shooter wouldn't get that...close!




edit on 10/5/2017 by Flyingclaydisk because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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So you guys have come to a conclusion that he sniped individuals prior to the all out madness...

Lets say that this is true. And there is a specific target that is the actuall mission of this shooting.

How would he spot the correct target unless there were spotters within the crowd to guide him?

How would the spotter light up the target for him to get aim?

Why start out with sniping if the mission is to take out as many as possible ?
edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: antibren

No, I think he started out thinking he was going to pick out individuals and quickly realized how futile (downhill and at night) this was and then resorted to the spray and pray tactic.

People underestimate how hard a downhill shot is. Seems easy, but it isn't at all...especially at night!

No, this guy was no real-deal sniper. No way (in my opinion). He might have watched some movies, but not the real deal. There's a list of a thousand things a real sniper would have done differently.



Maybe they would have done different things? like wearing ear protection? But this is the rabbit hole that we are judging by scene that was setup. A real sniper wouldn’t take so many guns and varying Ammo either but setting up the scene to look that way is a entirely different thought process



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: antibren

I honestly believe there is some butt-covering going on over the delayed response by SWAT.

I've been saying this for a while.





Thanks for your responses guys.
So if there's a$$ covering re the delayed SWAT response we've got 2 stories to account for it: it was due to clearing the rooms or because 200 shots were fired down the hall (which is being walked back now but doesn't add up to the final volley prior to the suicide).

If they're covering for the delay and it was neither of those things, could the delay have been ordered then?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:18 PM
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Actually after listening to that video a few more times it sounds he shot 4 or 6 shots in total. 2 pretty close together, then a pause then 2 more at least







 
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