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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk






posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: tiredoflooking

You are missing the point entirely.

If you are an arms dealer you aren't going to take a lot of chances. Back to the nuke example. Why would you sell something that could be exploded while you watched the buyer inspect the merchandise? The buyer may have a deathwish, but the seller wouldn't.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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My question now is a simple one.

The statement: The person was known/not known to security services.

At what point does that determination stop making sense?




posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: tiredoflooking

No, not an arms dealer at all.

Maybe I should get into that gig...sounds like they can do some pretty magical stuff.

That, or maybe just become a ninja (probably not flexible enough anymore for that though).



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: CajunMetal

originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: CajunMetal

originally posted by: TruD4rkness
So I want to add a little bit of clarity to all the reports that he fired 200 rounds down the hallway at the security guard.

"Police said Paddock managed to fire off over 200 rounds as the security guard approached the suspect's room alone."

From
abcnews.go.com...

Nowhere does it say that Paddock was firing at the officer, it says he managed to fire off 200 more rounds as the officer approached.


How long and how many clips would he need to replace to accomplish that?
Seems like it'd take up a significant amount within the approx 10 minute timeline.


Just look at the door,door frame,and walls if you doubt the 200 rounds story. I counted 13 shown on 1.5 doors


I think he did but I'd expect more damage than that and more than a leg wound. As to my question though, wouldn't 200 rounds shot down the hall beva noticeable lull in the firing outside?
There's the muffled bursts suggesting switched positions...I don't know what this suggests about rate of fire and 2 shooters though just an observation about the volley timeline.

Also didn't LE just yesterday say it was fired down the hallway? A page back someone posted an abc news link where LE now says 200 shots but not that they were inside?


But look again at the photo and the door... and the lack of 200 bullet holes a.abcnews.com...

Edit: and the door on the ground looks like those bullets were shot in through the door and they look like entry shots


You told me to look again if I doubt the 200 rounds story but which story are you referring to?
That's what I'm confused about: LE if iirc said they went down the hall, now they're not saying that at all. Add to that the door doesn't look like 200 rounds went through it...

So either no one noticed 200+ muffled shots from outside (indicating down the hall firing) or he didn't fire them down the hall and it's a moot point highlighted by LE for some reason.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj
Those who refuse to even countenance any possible differentiation from the official narrative should reconsider their place on this website.

You guys come in shifts, two go to sleep, another two come back.

And always with the exact same methodology.

Rehash old information, question old theories.

Get people to spend their time going over, and over and over the small details that were established a long time ago.

I am onto all you guys.


Yup, everyone who doesn't agree with you is a paid shill.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Fair enough but the design from the MB would have to be checked.

For instance, some double doors have a bolt to lock one door to the floor or top frame.

The stair well door issue does make sense. Maybe he used a bar?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Those who refuse to even countenance any possible differentiation from the official narrative should reconsider their place on this website.

You guys come in shifts, two go to sleep, another two come back.

And always with the exact same methodology.

Rehash old information, question old theories.

Get people to spend their time going over, and over and over the small details that were established a long time ago.

I am onto all you guys.


Yup, everyone who doesn't agree with you is a paid shill.


I could say something but why bother? Rather than say something I absolutely demand you show evidence of me accusing people of shillery.

Demand!!!


edit on 5-10-2017 by Jonjonj because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Ugh. Well they prolly were separate before someone ...whoever that was...loaded them to commit a shooting!



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: CajunMetal

I've never set out to shoot exactly 200 rounds through a door, but I can tell you that about (6) or (7) OO Buckshot rounds will turn a scrap door just about into sawdust (and that equates to about 77 .38 caliber rounds.)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: CajunMetal

originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: CajunMetal

originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: CajunMetal

originally posted by: TruD4rkness
So I want to add a little bit of clarity to all the reports that he fired 200 rounds down the hallway at the security guard.

"Police said Paddock managed to fire off over 200 rounds as the security guard approached the suspect's room alone."

From
abcnews.go.com...



Nowhere does it say that Paddock was firing at the officer, it says he managed to fire off 200 more rounds as the officer approached.


How long and how many clips would he need to replace to accomplish that?
Seems like it'd take up a significant amount within the approx 10 minute timeline.


Just look at the door,door frame,and walls if you doubt the 200 rounds story. I counted 13 shown on 1.5 doors


I think he did but I'd expect more damage than that and more than a leg wound. As to my question though, wouldn't 200 rounds shot down the hall beva noticeable lull in the firing outside?
There's the muffled bursts suggesting switched positions...I don't know what this suggests about rate of fire and 2 shooters though just an observation about the volley timeline.

Also didn't LE just yesterday say it was fired down the hallway? A page back someone posted an abc news link where LE now says 200 shots but not that they were inside?


But look again at the photo and the door... and the lack of 200 bullet holes a.abcnews.com...

Edit: and the door on the ground looks like those bullets were shot in through the door and they look like entry shots


You told me to look again if I doubt the 200 rounds story but which story are you referring to?
That's what I'm confused about: LE if iirc said they went down the hall, now they're not saying that at all. Add to that the door doesn't look like 200 rounds went through it...

So either no one noticed 200+ muffled shots from outside (indicating down the hall firing) or he didn't fire them down the hall and it's a moot point highlighted by LE for some reason.


The long video (shows video guy helping people find exit) posted by the member (who had a funny bird picture as his profile pic) last night captures the last volley which I would presume was the one that got the security Shot. It was very short and fits 14min timeline but doesn’t seem like 200 rounds. 200 down the hallway would be the front door.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:17 PM
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Information on the shooter came out pretty quickly....


Anyone tracking that piece of info? 😎



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: roadgravel

Yes, you're correct and I neglected to mention the top and bottom bolts on one leaf. That would allow for securing a set of double doors, but the pictured doors didn't have those either. Looked like they just had alarm contacts on them. In any case, they could not be used as fire doors (which was a topic of breeching discussion at some point...probably 1,000 pages ago or so).



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: mzinga

Illegal arms dealing is a risky business. They bring ammo. They don't sell guns and not ammo. Even legal arms dealing is risky. Little known fact...they often do so in hotel rooms with samples ...oh and ammo. No it's probably not loaded. You are missing the point...the guns got loaded for the shooting...whoever may have done that.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Those who refuse to even countenance any possible differentiation from the official narrative should reconsider their place on this website.

You guys come in shifts, two go to sleep, another two come back.

And always with the exact same methodology.

Rehash old information, question old theories.

Get people to spend their time going over, and over and over the small details that were established a long time ago.

I am onto all you guys.


Yup, everyone who doesn't agree with you is a paid shill.



Ive never accused you of being a shill but you do seem to pop out of no where and start trying to derail the thread and then claim adhom when people call you out for not contributing anything
edit on 5-10-2017 by antibren because: (no reason given)


Edit: case and point

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Those who refuse to even countenance any possible differentiation from the official narrative should reconsider their place on this website.

You guys come in shifts, two go to sleep, another two come back.

And always with the exact same methodology.

Rehash old information, question old theories.

Get people to spend their time going over, and over and over the small details that were established a long time ago.

I am onto all you guys.


Yup, everyone who doesn't agree with you is a paid shill.


I could say something but why bother?



I don't care what you demand, your thinly veiled "I'm onto some of you," is proof enough that anyone who doesn't share your opinion has nefarious agendas for ATS.

You know what's funny? The posters who signed up for ATS to only post in this thread.

You even say "people come in shifts," yeah - some people don't sit around on ATS all day, every day. Some people have jobs, hobbies, etc

Which again, is amusing (to me), considering some posters (who again - have only contributed to a single thread in their ATS history) have consistently posted.... but you're "not onto them."

Speculate all you'd like in this thread. Shareo opinions about what you "think," happened. Some of us aren't on ATS to embrace speculation - we're here to deny ignorance.

If what other posters have to say doesn't fly with you - ignore them. It's truly that simple.

This thread is hardly keeping up with the information being released - its people embracing "story time," and pontificating what they believe happened...

.... and when other posters have an opposing viewpoint, the ignorant claims of paid shills comes flying.

For what it's worth, you're only the fifth or sixth poster to do it.

When you have nothing left to add but "paid shill, I'm onto you," it flatters me somewhat. Typically means I'm right.

edit on 5-10-2017 by antibren because: (no reason given)


Edit 2: more proof no contribution just talking smack


originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Those who refuse to even countenance any possible differentiation from the official narrative should reconsider their place on this website.

You guys come in shifts, two go to sleep, another two come back.

And always with the exact same methodology.

Rehash old information, question old theories.

Get people to spend their time going over, and over and over the small details that were established a long time ago.

I am onto all you guys.


Yup, everyone who doesn't agree with you is a paid shill.


I could say something but why bother?



I don't care what you demand, your thinly veiled "I'm onto some of you," is proof enough that anyone who doesn't share your opinion has nefarious agendas for ATS.

You know what's funny? The posters who signed up for ATS to only post in this thread.

You even say "people come in shifts," yeah - some people don't sit around on ATS all day, every day. Some people have jobs, hobbies, etc

Which again, is amusing (to me), considering some posters (who again - have only contributed to a single thread in their ATS history) have consistently posted.... but you're "not onto them."

Speculate all you'd like in this thread. Shareo opinions about what you "think," happened. Some of us aren't on ATS to embrace speculation - we're here to deny ignorance.

If what other posters have to say doesn't fly with you - ignore them. It's truly that simple.

This thread is hardly keeping up with the information being released - its people embracing "story time," and pontificating what they believe happened...

.... and when other posters have an opposing viewpoint, the ignorant claims of paid shills comes flying.

For what it's worth, you're only the fifth or sixth poster to do it.

When you have nothing left to add but "paid shill, I'm onto you," it flatters me somewhat. Typically means I'm right.


What a...

Damn shame you didn't have the dignity to respond correctly.


Maybe I should go around telling posters "I'm onto them," perhaps?

Lol

edit on 5-10-2017 by antibren because: (no reason given)




originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Those who refuse to even countenance any possible differentiation from the official narrative should reconsider their place on this website.

You guys come in shifts, two go to sleep, another two come back.

And always with the exact same methodology.

Rehash old information, question old theories.

Get people to spend their time going over, and over and over the small details that were established a long time ago.

I am onto all you guys.


Yup, everyone who doesn't agree with you is a paid shill.


I could say something but why bother?



I don't care what you demand, your thinly veiled "I'm onto some of you," is proof enough that anyone who doesn't share your opinion has nefarious agendas for ATS.

You know what's funny? The posters who signed up for ATS to only post in this thread.

You even say "people come in shifts," yeah - some people don't sit around on ATS all day, every day. Some people have jobs, hobbies, etc

Which again, is amusing (to me), considering some posters (who again - have only contributed to a single thread in their ATS history) have consistently posted.... but you're "not onto them
edit on 5-10-2017 by antibren because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: sedna9

LOL did you notice that hotel has all those butterfly wings every where, like that MK Ultra stuff creepy hotel to me.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Those who refuse to even countenance any possible differentiation from the official narrative should reconsider their place on this website.

You guys come in shifts, two go to sleep, another two come back.

And always with the exact same methodology.

Rehash old information, question old theories.

Get people to spend their time going over, and over and over the small details that were established a long time ago.

I am onto all you guys.


Yup, everyone who doesn't agree with you is a paid shill.


I could say something but why bother?



I don't care what you demand, your thinly veiled "I'm onto some of you," is proof enough that anyone who doesn't share your opinion has nefarious agendas for ATS.

You know what's funny? The posters who signed up for ATS to only post in this thread.

You even say "people come in shifts," yeah - some people don't sit around on ATS all day, every day. Some people have jobs, hobbies, etc

Which again, is amusing (to me), considering some posters (who again - have only contributed to a single thread in their ATS history) have consistently posted.... but you're "not onto them."

Speculate all you'd like in this thread. Shareo opinions about what you "think," happened. Some of us aren't on ATS to embrace speculation - we're here to deny ignorance.

If what other posters have to say doesn't fly with you - ignore them. It's truly that simple.

This thread is hardly keeping up with the information being released - its people embracing "story time," and pontificating what they believe happened...

.... and when other posters have an opposing viewpoint, the ignorant claims of paid shills comes flying.

For what it's worth, you're only the fifth or sixth poster to do it.

When you have nothing left to add but "paid shill, I'm onto you," it flatters me somewhat. Typically means I'm right.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: Komodo
Information on the shooter came out pretty quickly....


Anyone tracking that piece of info? 😎



Drivers license on his persons is the MSM story



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: CajunMetal

originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: CajunMetal

originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: CajunMetal

originally posted by: TruD4rkness
So I want to add a little bit of clarity to all the reports that he fired 200 rounds down the hallway at the security guard.

"Police said Paddock managed to fire off over 200 rounds as the security guard approached the suspect's room alone."

From
abcnews.go.com...



Nowhere does it say that Paddock was firing at the officer, it says he managed to fire off 200 more rounds as the officer approached.


How long and how many clips would he need to replace to accomplish that?
Seems like it'd take up a significant amount within the approx 10 minute timeline.


Just look at the door,door frame,and walls if you doubt the 200 rounds story. I counted 13 shown on 1.5 doors


I think he did but I'd expect more damage than that and more than a leg wound. As to my question though, wouldn't 200 rounds shot down the hall beva noticeable lull in the firing outside?
There's the muffled bursts suggesting switched positions...I don't know what this suggests about rate of fire and 2 shooters though just an observation about the volley timeline.

Also didn't LE just yesterday say it was fired down the hallway? A page back someone posted an abc news link where LE now says 200 shots but not that they were inside?


But look again at the photo and the door... and the lack of 200 bullet holes a.abcnews.com...

Edit: and the door on the ground looks like those bullets were shot in through the door and they look like entry shots


You told me to look again if I doubt the 200 rounds story but which story are you referring to?
That's what I'm confused about: LE if iirc said they went down the hall, now they're not saying that at all. Add to that the door doesn't look like 200 rounds went through it...

So either no one noticed 200+ muffled shots from outside (indicating down the hall firing) or he didn't fire them down the hall and it's a moot point highlighted by LE for some reason.


The long video (shows video guy helping people find exit) posted by the member (who had a funny bird picture as his profile pic) last night captures the last volley which I would presume was the one that got the security Shot. It was very short and fits 14min timeline but doesn’t seem like 200 rounds. 200 down the hallway would be the front door.


That's what's confusing about it, why did LE make that statement? I agree w Clay, there'd be noting left if that door.

Sorry if this doesn't add much to the discussion I'm just confused about it being a talking point by LE.
edit on 5-10-2017 by CajunMetal because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Lol well I am one. These ppl should stop telling me how I do my job right?



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