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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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Arms deal is BS. Why load out the mags? Assumably one loaded gun would have been to many in a hotel room where no firing was going to happen, especially if the location was chosen for safety reasons
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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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Okay, on a serious note...

Here's my take...

Motive - Fame and recognition.

Reasoning - This guy was a bean-counter accountant, probably lived much of his life in a cubicle. He wasn't some high profile CPA, but just an accountant (and former mailman). Over the years he made some money (by hook, crook or both). He turns into a big time gambler, but nobody knows him. Oh sure, after they check his ID and see how much he spends they kiss his backside, but they're not waiting for him at the door with a red carpet (like he thinks they should be). He's been a nobody all his life, and now he's got some money and thinks he deserves recognition, but nobody knows him. He's a nobody.

Several years back he has this fantasy of making headlines by taking out a huge crowd of people. Over the coming years he plots out how he'd do it, even including casing out large open-air events. The whole being a nobody thing is eating away at him like a cancer the whole time. Then he meets this Phillipina chick, hostess to the high rollers. Everybody knows her (probably slept with half of Vegas), and this drives him even crazier. She's a "player", she knows all the angles in the casinos. Hangin' out with her is good for his gambling habit, but the notoriety thing drives him nuts. He demeans her (this is his ego at work) to try to make himself more notable than her. He's got the money, but she's got the "game". In his mind he's the 'playah', he's a pilot, he's got money...but he's still just a nobody.

This fantasy he's had for notoriety keeps becoming more real. He starts buying the tools he'll use even, the guns. It's still just a fantasy, but now he reasons, if anything really set him off he could actually do it, he has the tools to pull it off now. Once he's got all the tools, then he starts feeling invincible, like he's Tony Montana (Scarface) or Jason Bourne. He starts believing this, what was until now just a fantasy.

The whole time all this has been going on he's been playing all sorts of other 'games', things like tax evasion, burying his earnings in houses and real estate. No one knows what he does, and he likes it that way. But one day things start to unravel. He finds out his girlfriend really is just a 'player' and a con-woman,...and she's been conning him as well, using him. How DARE she! But she's got the goods on him, so he sends her away just long enough to not interfere with his end-game. He's going to go out in style, make a big splash...no one, NO ONE, will EVAR forget his name now!!

He doesn't really have a fully fleshed-out plan when he shows up at the casino, but he knows it involves guns and possibly explosives. He's gonna' take something out, and it's going to be something big. As he sits and watches this concert it occurs to him...what a better way to make a statement than to take out bunch of freedom loving concert goers at a C&W concert. This will stir the 2nd Amendment pot across the country, create mayhem. This inspires him to bring a whole arsenal of guns to his room. It's all about his statement to society. He'll never need all of them, but he want's them to be found. No one will ever forget his name now, not ever again! And then it's a done deal...and he breaks the first window.

No turning back now!


edit on 10/5/2017 by Flyingclaydisk because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: IAMTAT

Question for you...

Do you, yourself, really believe this arms deal angle, or are you just jacking with folks?

Honest question.



Only arms deal angle makes any sense.





It makes very little sense. Again.....why would an arms deal involve shooting a crowd of people at a concert? Is this what normally happens at illegal arms deals? Shooting a group of people through a window and killing the supposed seller? Do they shoot the crowd first and then the seller and then leave without the guns? Or shoot seller first, then call attention to themselves by shooting up a crowd before leaving without the guns? Or does the seller shoot the crowd as part of the deal? Is that how these things go?

The arms deal makes little sense. Are you actually thinking that scenario through?

Or just answer this.....why was shooting a crowd of concert-goers part of this supposed arms deal?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Okay, on a serious note...

Here's my take...

Motive - Fame and recognition.

Reasoning - This guy was a bean-counter accountant, probably lived much of his life in a cubicle. He wasn't some high profile CPA, but just an accountant (and former mailman). Over the years he made some money (by hook, crook or both). He turns into a big time gambler, but nobody knows him. Oh sure, after they check his ID and see how much he spends they kiss his backside, but they're not waiting for him at the door with a red carpet (like he thinks they should be). He's been a nobody all his life, and now he's got some money and thinks he deserves recognition, but nobody knows him. He's a nobody.

Several years back he has this fantasy of making headlines by taking out a huge crowd of people. Over the coming years he plots out how he'd do it, even including casing out large open-air events. The whole being a nobody thing is eating away at him like a cancer the whole time. Then he meets this Phillipina chick, hostess to the high rollers. Everybody knows her (probably slept with half of Vegas), and this drives him even crazier. She's a "player", she knows all the angles in the casinos. Hangin' out with her is good for his gambling habit, but the notoriety thing drives him nuts. He demeans her (this is his ego at work) to try to make himself more notable than her. He's got the money, but she's got the "game". In his mind he's the 'playah', he's a pilot, he's got money...but he's still just a nobody.

This fantasy he's had for notoriety keeps becoming more real. He starts buying the tools he'll use even, the guns. It's still just a fantasy, but now he reasons, if anything really set him off he could actually do it, he has the tools to pull it off now. Once he's got all the tools, then he starts feeling invincible, like he's Tony Montana (Scarface) or Jason Bourne. He starts believing this, what was until now just a fantasy.

The whole time all this has been going on he's been playing all sorts of other 'games', things like tax evasion, burying his earnings in houses and real estate. No one knows what he does, and he likes it that way. But one day things start to unravel. He finds out his girlfriend really is just a 'player' and a con-woman,...and she's been conning him as well, using him. How DARE she! But she's got the goods on him, so he sends her away just long enough to not interfere with his end-game. He's going to go out in style, make a big splash...no one, NO ONE, will EVAR forget his name now!!

He doesn't really have a fully fleshed-out plan when he shows up at the casino, but he knows it involves guns and possibly explosives. He's gonna' take something out, and it's going to be something big. As he sits and watches this concert it occurs to him...what a better way to make a statement than to take out bunch of freedom loving concert goers at a C&W concert. This will stir the 2nd Amendment pot across the country, create mayhem. This inspires him to bring a whole arsenal of guns to his room. It's all about his statement to society. He'll never need all of them, but he want's them to be found. No one will ever forget his name now, not ever again! And then it's a done deal...and he breaks the first window.

No turning back now!



He was a loner and loners like him dontnwant attention. Pretty sure he didn't care who knew him and pretty sure the girl really loved him. If anything she probably kept him from doing something sooner
edit on 5-10-2017 by AdemirAlagic because: Cuz I can



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: IAMTAT

Question for you...

Do you, yourself, really believe this arms deal angle, or are you just jacking with folks?

Honest question.



Only arms deal angle makes any sense.






Or just answer this.....why was shooting a crowd of concert-goers part of this supposed arms deal?


THAT depends on his customers...and what they were looking to actually buy from him.

Perhaps readily available victims were part of the deal.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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I caught back up. Doesn’t this all seem like a movie scene to scare the American people and sell more OSI security? They have New OSI security already set up in the Wynn TODAY!

Nobody on this thread is following the money
edit on 5-10-2017 by antibren because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
Exactly if he was trying to escape he's not going to be trying to carry 23 guns out he would have left a few guns at home, some in his car and have some more guns for future attacks. It makes absolutely no sense for him to try and escape yet leave behind all his arsenal come on folks think outside the box


Who says he didn't have another arsenal stashed at his secret hide-out. As long as we're speculating... He had his own plane. Mexico is a short hop in a plane. Perhaps he's all set up down there....to get a new ID and ....they are saying international contacts....



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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edit on 5-10-2017 by KansasGirl because: Wacky



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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edit on 5-10-2017 by Diabolical1972 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: TheMysteryMan
Can someone shed some light on the fact that room 32134, one of the rooms with a window blown out, also the room that was wired from the camera on the service cart that was in front of the door, IS ACTUALLY the room that Brian Hodge rented (the Aussie).

Mr. Hodge stated they were gonna go to the concert but got a late start so they just went to dinner.
Perhaps putting him into his room late in the evening.
Meaning at some point, while Hodge was out, his room was commandeered relatively quickly, wired, and used as a snipers nest?
How was it commandeered? You would need a key and the fire doors would need to be unlocked from each respective room? Did he just blast through the fire door?
I read that the fire door may have been the SWAT breach, which would prove that there was no access from room to room, which would lead to front door only. Door intacked would mean room key was used?!
Hodge stated his room was 32134.
Another small bit which seems coincidental but Hodge is the Aussie right?
FBI sting gone wrong? Who sets up shop and where, to monitor arms deal? Next room? With cameras?
Last bit. Hodge, Aussie. I heard on MSM that the girlfriend was traveling with an Australian passport. Coincidental perhaps?



Marylou Passport states Australia too



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Still spitballing...

Paddock was selling 'Pre-planned/packaged Terrorism Events'.

Three terrorists show up in the room with a suitcase of $$$...Paddock planned on taking the money and leaving them to it, as he disappears to the Philippines with his GF in the new house she went ahead to buy.

Instead, they kill him...do the deed...and leave with the money.

Edit:
The OTHER (Lalapalooza?) set up...was a 'No Sale' terror event package.


Why shoot the crowd?


The crowd was part of the package he was selling.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: antibren
I caught back up. Doesn’t this all seem like a movie scene to scare the American people and sell more OSI security? They have New OSI security already set up in the Wynn TODAY!

Nobody on this thread is following the money


If given a choice most people planning to visit Vegas, and stay in a hotel after this, would most likely opt for the hotels with enhanced security.

I know i would.

The end result, not always the goal, is to force free people to change the way they live, while not admitting to being afraid, when actually making plans to travel and for accommodations you too might opt for the enhanced security.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


What’s you take on this theory if you need more evidence search his post history. This is his last post.


originally posted by: 0x6372756d6273
www.nbcnews.com...


Officers found the suspect down on the ground, Lombardo said. They then breached the door to the second room in the suite, but no one was there, he said.


This is getting very interesting!

The Sheriff and FBI are claiming they couldn't access the other room, and they had to breach the second room, which was empty. Which room they are talking about is very important! (see my previous posts)

It is very normal for connecting hotel rooms to be lockable on both sides so you can't sneak into your neighbors room. I am assuming they are talking about room 32-134 (which had the other broken window), and they couldn't unlock it because it was locked on the other side. So they breached it. If this door was locked, that means someone locked it from the inside, and then escaped through the front door (the door next to the food cart with the camera).

It also means Stephen Paddock couldn't easily switch between the two broken windows, because the door to room 32-134 was locked. This means there is a possibility of another shooter that was in the room and has escaped.

The other explanation is that somehow Stephen locked the door from the inside of room 32-134, walked out the front door of room 32-134 (past the food cart with security camera) and back into the front door of 32-135 with the bullet holes in it, and then "suicided". Which sounds unlikely.

I doubt they are talking about the actual bedroom inside suite 32-135 because that door doesn't have locking door knobs, it only has a dead bolt lock that can only be locked from the inside! There is no way for you to lock the door from the outside, nor lock it and shut it closed. It's a deadbolt, if that at all.

See here:


Source: www.youtube.com...

To be clear...



edit on 5-10-2017 by antibren because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Okay, on a serious note...

Here's my take...

Motive - Fame and recognition.

Reasoning - This guy was a bean-counter accountant, probably lived much of his life in a cubicle. He wasn't some high profile CPA, but just an accountant (and former mailman). Over the years he made some money (by hook, crook or both). He turns into a big time gambler, but nobody knows him. Oh sure, after they check his ID and see how much he spends they kiss his backside, but they're not waiting for him at the door with a red carpet (like he thinks they should be). He's been a nobody all his life, and now he's got some money and thinks he deserves recognition, but nobody knows him. He's a nobody.

Several years back he has this fantasy of making headlines by taking out a huge crowd of people. Over the coming years he plots out how he'd do it, even including casing out large open-air events. The whole being a nobody thing is eating away at him like a cancer the whole time. Then he meets this Phillipina chick, hostess to the high rollers. Everybody knows her (probably slept with half of Vegas), and this drives him even crazier. She's a "player", she knows all the angles in the casinos. Hangin' out with her is good for his gambling habit, but the notoriety thing drives him nuts. He demeans her (this is his ego at work) to try to make himself more notable than her. He's got the money, but she's got the "game". In his mind he's the 'playah', he's a pilot, he's got money...but he's still just a nobody.

This fantasy he's had for notoriety keeps becoming more real. He starts buying the tools he'll use even, the guns. It's still just a fantasy, but now he reasons, if anything really set him off he could actually do it, he has the tools to pull it off now. Once he's got all the tools, then he starts feeling invincible, like he's Tony Montana (Scarface) or Jason Bourne. He starts believing this, what was until now just a fantasy.

The whole time all this has been going on he's been playing all sorts of other 'games', things like tax evasion, burying his earnings in houses and real estate. No one knows what he does, and he likes it that way. But one day things start to unravel. He finds out his girlfriend really is just a 'player' and a con-woman,...and she's been conning him as well, using him. How DARE she! But she's got the goods on him, so he sends her away just long enough to not interfere with his end-game. He's going to go out in style, make a big splash...no one, NO ONE, will EVAR forget his name now!!

He doesn't really have a fully fleshed-out plan when he shows up at the casino, but he knows it involves guns and possibly explosives. He's gonna' take something out, and it's going to be something big. As he sits and watches this concert it occurs to him...what a better way to make a statement than to take out bunch of freedom loving concert goers at a C&W concert. This will stir the 2nd Amendment pot across the country, create mayhem. This inspires him to bring a whole arsenal of guns to his room. It's all about his statement to society. He'll never need all of them, but he want's them to be found. No one will ever forget his name now, not ever again! And then it's a done deal...and he breaks the first window.

No turning back now!



So, you think that AFTER the concert started is when he decided to do this deed? So he already had all his guns loaded and stacked and had the place wired and his spy cams in place?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: diggindirt

Hey, I've got some oceanfront property in Iowa for sale!

Anyone interested???



Well, this morning over coffee the suggestion was made that all the photos and videos of the scene are faked---taken during "training" exercises conducted at some earlier time....

Just seems very strange to me (but remember we're dealing with an alleged crazy person) to spend the time and money setting up such an elaborate video system and then forgetting to turn it on. It was said he had an iPad in the room as well...had its history been wiped as well? Was he monitoring the police livestream on that and counting on it to allow him time to get away? Lots of questions....a few answers that we thought might be possible to obtain---what the cameras were filming---have been put in the "not available" bin at this point.

Another part of the investigation that makes me go hmmmm---how come it took so many hours to get an accurate count of the guns in the suite? First it was ten, then more than a dozen, then....up to the current number. All the LEOs I know can count past 10.

Why breach a door that was reported as "ajar" by the security guy? Where is the dead security guy that was reported inside the hotel? Was he the one who was shot in the leg and someone reported him shot and the next report called him dead simply because he was shot.

Patience. Something we need more of I think---let the authorities do their work. But I have to add that I don't trust the FBI---they have a weak record of telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And wasn't it the ATF that was running Fast & Furious? Just sayin'...



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Yeah, understood.

I just struggle with the 1 hour for SWAT to be able to act thing. Nothing we can do about it, but just seems a whole lot like they ought to be able to react faster than that.


What was the lag between when the security guard was shot through the door and SWAT breeching?

Until that time, they didn't know what they were up against...Terrorists? Multiple rooms? Bombs, Booby traps?

As I understand the shooting only lasted 9-14 minutes?

Once it stopped, they had time to plan a breech with the understanding the breech would be a go if the shooting resumed.

Orlando was a cluster-eff. The shooter kept law enforcement on the phone under the pretense of releasing hostages, while he went around and killed more.

Law enforcement agencies across the country have been studying Orlando in order to adjust policy.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: RadioRobert
Agreed. Lots of questions yet to be answered. What was on those cameras apparently won't be revealed. Perhaps we can at least find out who purchased the cameras and when? I doubt he found them in a pawn shop---but I could be wrong...



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: diggindirt

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: diggindirt

Hey, I've got some oceanfront property in Iowa for sale!

Anyone interested???



Well, this morning over coffee the suggestion was made that all the photos and videos of the scene are faked---taken during "training" exercises conducted at some earlier time....



Furniture, décor, carpeting...all of it matches precisely the hotel suite. If they faked the photos it would have been spotted. You can't construct all the blood, lighting etc. on various surfaces without leaving digital signatures.




Another part of the investigation that makes me go hmmmm---how come it took so many hours to get an accurate count of the guns in the suite? First it was ten, then more than a dozen, then....up to the current number. All the LEOs I know can count past 10.


Early estimates become more precise. A cop peeking in the room and leaking to the media is different than a forensic investigator including it for a press briefing.



Why breach a door that was reported as "ajar" by the security guy?

After security guy shot..door was closed?
Where was it reported ajar?



Where is the dead security guy that was reported inside the hotel?


He wasn't killed. He was shot in the leg.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Still spitballing...

Paddock was selling 'Pre-planned/packaged Terrorism Events'.

Three terrorists show up in the room with a suitcase of $$$...Paddock planned on taking the money and leaving them to it, as he disappears to the Philippines with his GF in the new house she went ahead to buy.

Instead, they kill him...do the deed...and leave with the money.

Edit:
The OTHER (Lalapalooza?) set up...was a 'No Sale' terror event package.


Why shoot the crowd?


The crowd was part of the package he was selling.


They don't have access to their own crowds?? They need someone to find a crowd for them?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

Not exactly. I think that's when he committed to doing the deed he had fantasized for a long time about doing.

I'll bet they find he may have carried guns into other hotels too (maybe not that many, but some) just to get the feel for it. Almost a dry-run of sorts. And I'll bet he started this one off as a dry-run too, but then when he committed then he went full-bore on stocking the room with weapons and ammo. Remember, this dude is a sick and twisted bastage.



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