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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:02 PM
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Being an arms dealer might explain how he became so wealthy and could wire 100000 so easily.. right? Makes sense all those guns in the room ammo.. who came up with the arms dealer angle??? Now it makes sense.




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: Indrasweb

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: EchoesInTime
a reply to: Krakatoa

He tried to explain the arm a few seconds later.

He apologizes and then says he was trying to use a coloquial term about armed forces. Didn't make sense.

Very sketchy. Busted.


Yeah, I just finished watching that entire video. I believe he was about to say that "Steve was an army-of-one", but stopped as not to disparage members of the armed forces. If you recall, the marketing slogan for the U.S. Army was something along the lines of "Be an Army of One". That, IMO, is what he was about to say at that point. But, considering the situation, he thought better of it out of thoughtfulness.

That is how I interpreted that stumble on his part.



Funnily enough I just edited my previous post to say exactly that too.. I didn't realise it was some kind of a recruitment slogan as well. Makes sense why he said it might be insulting to armed forces in that case. I was thinking he'd maybe stopped short of saying it because of what his brother had just done (which pretty much was being an army of one) but when you add in the recruitment slogan angle and him saying he didn't want to insult some branches of the armed services it makes it quite likely that that's what he was about to say


I think his point he was trying to make with that slogan was that his brother, when he put his mind to something, would just do it, whatever it takes....and keep on until he succeeded. Which in business, is essential to become successful. And, if you think about this situation, that mentality fits as well. He did this horrific thing to the excess. He did whatever it took to be as successful in this effort. That explains the numerous weapons (he was planning on gun jams, drop it, move on to another and continue on). It also explains the cameras in the hallway covering his back. The selection of room based upon the venue maximized his possibility of success.

He was not some stupid gun nut. He was a highly intelligent man, who had a pitbull like personality. Combine that with being a millionaire where money is no object when you plan this type of thing.
MY SPECULATION
As I stated in a previous thread post yesterday, I still think he was doing all of this in some warped way to out do his father in the criminal world. A late onset form of hero worship or to show him that he was better than his father in all aspects:

- His father was a loser, Steve was successful
- His father abandoned his family, Steve took care of the family (even acting as a father surrogate to his youngest brother Eric - based upon Eric's interview video)
- His father was a failed bank robber, Steve was a model citizen up to that date
- His father was essentially a nobody, Steve was really no better at that....he wasn't famous

But, being a model citizen alone might not be better to a warped mind if being a better criminal, more notorious, was possible.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
After spending 36hrs reading non stop till my eyes bled, I am curious as to others' take on the fact that he checked himself into a hotel where he was very well known, made no attempt to disguise or hide the fact he was there, ordered room service and generally acted all normal.

My thoughts are if you were about to carry out mass murder, would you really do it at a place where you were so well known? Where you were a regular and staff knew you? Using your well known gf's casino card? Carrying out such an act in a place where you are so well known seems foolish in the extreme as clearly there would be no way he could have gotten away with it even presuming he had an escape plan. He would be very easily traceable. No-one from the hotel or anywhere else has mentioned Paddock seeming out of sorts acting strange or similar. Either he knew full well he didn't stand a chance in hell of getting out and getting away with it or...
he thought he was there for some other reason......

Somebody somewhere was calling in plenty of false alarms to confuse police and make the situation far more chaotic. This smacks of being orchestrated to this old lady



he was very well known, made no attempt to disguise or hide the fact he was there, ordered room service and generally acted all normal.


Hiding in plain sight?

You make a good point - it's not like he was just some dude who went to Vegas on a whim to gamble. He was a regular.

IMO, that takes away from him being an undercover-FBI agent who runs guns for IS.

Unless, like I said, hiding in plain sight.

I just don't know. Everyone and their dog's pet goldfish have an opinion.


My pet gold fish aside, I am still trying to form an opinion. One thing I am curious about is why are we hearing so much from Eric and not more from Bruce? Bruce, his other brother, lives in California I believe, would he not have more contact than his Florida brother? The media has no scruples when it comes to harassing family obviously...Why are we not hearing more from the brother who only lived one state away?


Ill be honest - first time I've heard of Bruce. I wasn't even aware he had another brother.

That is definitely something worth noting.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
Has anyone heard of this angle yet? The video suggests that this was a gun running scheme gone wrong. FBI agent is selling guns to isis members, they find out (that he is fbi) and kill him, then do the shooting in retaliation. The cameras setup in the hallway and room would be something you would do if involved in an operation like this. Could explain why so many weapons. Either way just another video.





It might have come up.




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
Has anyone heard of this angle yet? The video suggests that this was a gun running scheme gone wrong. FBI agent is selling guns to isis members, they find out (that he is fbi) and kill him, then do the shooting in retaliation. The cameras setup in the hallway and room would be something you would do if involved in an operation like this. Could explain why so many weapons. Either way just another video.



Wow I just watched this and was going to comment can we get a source for that version of the Aussies statement? He seems to have very accurate account? Is he still in America?



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
Being an arms dealer might explain how he became so wealthy and could wire 100000 so easily.. right? Makes sense all those guns in the room ammo.. who came up with the arms dealer angle??? Now it makes sense.


It originated from an anonymous poster claiming to be an FBI agent, if memory serves correctly.

He became wealthy from real estate and gambling.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
After spending 36hrs reading non stop till my eyes bled, I am curious as to others' take on the fact that he checked himself into a hotel where he was very well known, made no attempt to disguise or hide the fact he was there, ordered room service and generally acted all normal.

My thoughts are if you were about to carry out mass murder, would you really do it at a place where you were so well known? Where you were a regular and staff knew you? Using your well known gf's casino card? Carrying out such an act in a place where you are so well known seems foolish in the extreme as clearly there would be no way he could have gotten away with it even presuming he had an escape plan. He would be very easily traceable. No-one from the hotel or anywhere else has mentioned Paddock seeming out of sorts acting strange or similar. Either he knew full well he didn't stand a chance in hell of getting out and getting away with it or...
he thought he was there for some other reason......

Somebody somewhere was calling in plenty of false alarms to confuse police and make the situation far more chaotic. This smacks of being orchestrated to this old lady



he was very well known, made no attempt to disguise or hide the fact he was there, ordered room service and generally acted all normal.


Hiding in plain sight?

You make a good point - it's not like he was just some dude who went to Vegas on a whim to gamble. He was a regular.

IMO, that takes away from him being an undercover-FBI agent who runs guns for IS.

Unless, like I said, hiding in plain sight.

I just don't know. Everyone and their dog's pet goldfish have an opinion.


My pet gold fish aside, I am still trying to form an opinion. One thing I am curious about is why are we hearing so much from Eric and not more from Bruce? Bruce, his other brother, lives in California I believe, would he not have more contact than his Florida brother? The media has no scruples when it comes to harassing family obviously...Why are we not hearing more from the brother who only lived one state away?


Ill be honest - first time I've heard of Bruce. I wasn't even aware he had another brother.

That is definitely something worth noting.


Brother talks about mother raising four kids.. so he has two other brother right?



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
Being an arms dealer might explain how he became so wealthy and could wire 100000 so easily.. right? Makes sense all those guns in the room ammo.. who came up with the arms dealer angle??? Now it makes sense.


It originated from an anonymous poster claiming to be an FBI agent, if memory serves correctly.

He became wealthy from real estate and gambling.


Based on his brothers stories about comps and such he was losing more money than making. He was a whale he liked to go through cash



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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If you're planning on killing people and taking your life in the end you don't need 23 guns to do it. You take 4-5 guns tops. Now go through thall trouble of trying to bring into 23 guns, ontop of ammo, ontop of camera wires...holy # this just got blown wide open



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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I think his point he was trying to make with that slogan was that his brother, when he put his mind to something, would just do it, whatever it takes....and keep on until he succeeded.



Agreed. I said in the previous post; if you listen to the context, he was basically trying to convey that his brother was a rugged individualist and very self- reliant.. in that context "he was an army of one" fits perfectly... Just a somewhat unfortunate and distasteful turn of phrase considering the circumstances.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
After spending 36hrs reading non stop till my eyes bled, I am curious as to others' take on the fact that he checked himself into a hotel where he was very well known, made no attempt to disguise or hide the fact he was there, ordered room service and generally acted all normal.

My thoughts are if you were about to carry out mass murder, would you really do it at a place where you were so well known? Where you were a regular and staff knew you? Using your well known gf's casino card? Carrying out such an act in a place where you are so well known seems foolish in the extreme as clearly there would be no way he could have gotten away with it even presuming he had an escape plan. He would be very easily traceable. No-one from the hotel or anywhere else has mentioned Paddock seeming out of sorts acting strange or similar. Either he knew full well he didn't stand a chance in hell of getting out and getting away with it or...
he thought he was there for some other reason......

Somebody somewhere was calling in plenty of false alarms to confuse police and make the situation far more chaotic. This smacks of being orchestrated to this old lady



he was very well known, made no attempt to disguise or hide the fact he was there, ordered room service and generally acted all normal.


Hiding in plain sight?

You make a good point - it's not like he was just some dude who went to Vegas on a whim to gamble. He was a regular.

IMO, that takes away from him being an undercover-FBI agent who runs guns for IS.

Unless, like I said, hiding in plain sight.

I just don't know. Everyone and their dog's pet goldfish have an opinion.


My pet gold fish aside, I am still trying to form an opinion. One thing I am curious about is why are we hearing so much from Eric and not more from Bruce? Bruce, his other brother, lives in California I believe, would he not have more contact than his Florida brother? The media has no scruples when it comes to harassing family obviously...Why are we not hearing more from the brother who only lived one state away?


Ill be honest - first time I've heard of Bruce. I wasn't even aware he had another brother.

That is definitely something worth noting.


Brother talks about mother raising four kids.. so he has two other brother right?


Unless some of them are dead, then yeah.

Hmm.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:10 PM
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Just look at the room that scene looks so staged like they placed those guns all around him... made it look like he was shooting them all



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
Being an arms dealer might explain how he became so wealthy and could wire 100000 so easily.. right? Makes sense all those guns in the room ammo.. who came up with the arms dealer angle??? Now it makes sense.


It originated from an anonymous poster claiming to be an FBI agent, if memory serves correctly.

He became wealthy from real estate and gambling.


Based on his brothers stories about comps and such he was losing more money than making. He was a whale he liked to go through cash


We don't know that.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: RadioRobert

Don't forget to mention he had TWO cars left in the lot, ONLY 1 with A-Nitrate residue. So where is the rest of the BOMB?




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:12 PM
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R.i.p Las vegas



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: Diabolical1972
a reply to: RadioRobert

Don't forget to mention he had TWO cars left in the lot, ONLY 1 with A-Nitrate residue. So where is the rest of the BOMB?



It's looking more and more likely someone killed this guy staged the crime scene and then sprayed into the crowd to make it look like he went crazy



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: Diabolical1972
a reply to: RadioRobert

Don't forget to mention he had TWO cars left in the lot, ONLY 1 with A-Nitrate residue. So where is the rest of the BOMB?



I am curious about the two cars actually. I know he didn't live a long distance away but... how did he get both his cars there? Drive one, get a ? (Bus maybe?) back home and collect the second vehicle? For what purpose?



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
Being an arms dealer might explain how he became so wealthy and could wire 100000 so easily.. right? Makes sense all those guns in the room ammo.. who came up with the arms dealer angle??? Now it makes sense.


It originated from an anonymous poster claiming to be an FBI agent, if memory serves correctly.

He became wealthy from real estate and gambling.


Hold on, I am fairly sure the anon poster claimed to be LVMPD not FBI, right? They said FBI were leaning on them to hush.




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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someone pointed out there were 500 wounded they scattered ..how many ran to the other casinos and people see they are bloody and shot and start calling in from thoses places saying people are shot......I think that explains some of it

yes people also make things up......there was a a guy on the news this was before anyone knew the cause he said it was a plane crash he saw a plane crash...well turned out it was a huge eplosion and fire in SAN BRUNO when the PG & E pipe blew up

I read once if you have a big room full of people...and tell them you went to an event (you purposely make up this event) someone will say they went too...human nature is interesting



originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport
Good points about his being well known and checking in ....

However---on the false reports---that can happen with any emergency situation. A few years ago we had a situation where a girl called the campus police to report an active shooter on campus. She had "seen" him.

What she actually saw, when questioned by the police later was a guy carrying what she "thought" looked like a rifle case into the student center. What she actually saw was a guy with a pool cue in a case entering the student center. After her call there were five more calls reporting a shooter on campus. No shots were ever fired because there was no gun. Pool cues don't discharge bullets. Why did five other people report something that obviously didn't happen? I have no idea...but they did. Why did she report an "active shooter" when all she'd seen was a guy with a long skinny case walking into the student center? God help her if she'd actually seen a member of the rifle team entering their practice facility with a real gun.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
Being an arms dealer might explain how he became so wealthy and could wire 100000 so easily.. right? Makes sense all those guns in the room ammo.. who came up with the arms dealer angle??? Now it makes sense.


It originated from an anonymous poster claiming to be an FBI agent, if memory serves correctly.

He became wealthy from real estate and gambling.


Based on his brothers stories about comps and such he was losing more money than making. He was a whale he liked to go through cash


We don't know that.


Brother mentioned thousands of dollars at fusion restaurant at the Wynn I’m presuming was Andrea’s being comped. He also details that Steve’s credit card statements would verify with only a tip... one of the hottest restaurants in all of vegas. You have to lose money to be treated that nice. His brother also mentioned having the highest tier of vip cards at all the casinos. He also mentions being able to just walk in and be comped rooms for weeks. That all adds up to what the industry calls a whale.
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