Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: antibren

Does anyone have a link to the most recent press conference? Or know when the next will be?

I'm so swamped at work I've barely been able to keep up with the updates...

That's what I'm saying!

Not all of us have the fortune of spending day after day scouring through conspiracies and forums to try and find updates. I don't watch cable and mainstream media outlets aren't saying much that's not already known.

I've been constantly berated and accused of being a paid shill because I'm more interested in data points than "well I think this happened."

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Diabolical1972

I think Gem was indicating that no images or links to can be shared. That's the way I understand the T&C's anyway.

It clearly states TEXT, that's why I deleted my posts.

a reply to: 0x6372756d6273

Backed off does not mean completely abandoned the floor. Or even took their eyes off the door.

Possibly, but it seems unlikely someone would shoot for 5 mins or so and go "ok im out". I would like to know who he was having lunch with on the 27th if that receipt is legit

originally posted by: Dragoon01
Hello folks,

Obviously we are all making a lot of speculations on this thread, I think that's a good thing but I think we should also occasionally level set what is known vs what we are speculating.

There is nothing from the evidence that suggests that the shooting could NOT have been done by a single shooter from the 32nd floor.

The strobe light in the cab video is just a light.

There are no security cameras in the hallways of the hotel.

There was sufficient time for someone to exit the room after the shooting stopped, but before Law Enforcement was in position to enter the room.

These things seem to be popping up over and over in the thread so I thought stating them might help get things back on track.
Now for things that we do not know and are speculating about.

The possibility of a second person in the room involved in the shooting is not ruled out by the evidence. There COULD have been someone else shooting out of the second window while the other shooter reloaded or changed guns. This second shooter had sufficient time to escape the room. There is evidence on the room service cart that two people could have been served, however that cart MAY have been from another room on the floor and just pulled into service as a camera stand.
The shooting itself from a skill standpoint would not require any real level of skill. 300 yards is well within the effective range of the weapons and the bullets are actually still traveling in a fairly straight path so accuracy is not really that difficult. We are not however talking about sniper levels of accuracy here at any rate. This was spraying rounds at a mass of people. A tactical reload is not firing all the rounds to the last one. Its firing MOST of the rounds from a magazine and then reloading, to top the weapon off. There would still be a round in the chamber but the magazine would still have ammo in it. That's irrelevant because there is no evidence he did anything more than shoot the mags dry and then reload. I am not sure where that came from but it seemed to be some confusion with the Port Author shooting. Nothing skilled or particularly special about his changing magazines. He had multiple weapons which would account for the different rates of fire as well as the different sounds, however at this point I still don't think we can rule out the possibility that two shooters were firing form that room at the same time on a couple of the bursts.
The cab drive video is actually very interesting because I think it shows us something very important with regard to the possibility of a second person escaping the hotel. The cab driver is sitting directly in front of the door of the hotel and the guest are standing around like nothing is happening. This is while the whole time the shooter or shooters have fired off 4 or 5 volleys. The police stated that there were 12 volleys fired off. So almost halfway through the shooting and no one on the ground floor of the hotel is reacting to it. I think that gives more than enough time for someone in the room with Paddock to leave and make their way calmly down the stairs to a floor below and then get on an elevator to the ground floor and simply walk out of the hotel as people are catching on to the event. They would be gone well before the police were in a position to cordon off the area and control access.

originally posted by: 0x6372756d6273

originally posted by: antibren
We have one video from the 32nd after this time of someone peeping out so he didn’t off himself right after shooting the security.

Can you link me to this video please?

I saw it this morning went through like 5 pages and it said deleted for inaccurate. From my memory it was very vague. I only watched it once because it was so short but it features a Hispanic gent giving commentary with some misspelled title on LL

a reply to: Dragoon01

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I have to disagree with your reasoning behind the possibility of a second shooter. Someone was still alive in that room when the security guard got shot. From that moment onward there were eyes on the room. So that means a second shooter would have had to sneak out prior to that event and that Paddock was still alive.

But if that's the case why didn't Paddock simply escape at the same time as his accomplice?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Unless they had somewhere that provided adequate cover in that hallway, they took their eyes off the door.
Period.
If you look at the diagram of the rooms and the hall, take into account that they said there were TWO cameras in the hall. Now think about WHY there would be two?
One faces down the hall so that the long approach is covered, the other faces the door to the stairs so that route is covered. Lets assume that the security approach down the hall. Someone in the rooms can see them and opens fire through the door. They back off around a corner or back into an elevator. That leaves the route to the stairs clear.
If they come up the stairs they get shot at from the other room and it forces them back into the stairwell, that leaves a route down the hall open for escape while they stay back out of the line of fire.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Dragoon01

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I have to disagree with your reasoning behind the possibility of a second shooter. Someone was still alive in that room when the security guard got shot. From that moment onward there were eyes on the room. So that means a second shooter would have had to sneak out prior to that event and that Paddock was still alive.

But if that's the case why didn't Paddock simply escape at the same time as his accomplice?

I guess Paddock wasn't issued a personal transport device for the operation. Or, a cloaking spider-man suit to climb out the window ans scale the glass up to the roof.

He was such a sucker.

Well Ive done enough research to of formulated a few conclusions which I am not going to spruik here,I am sorry for what happened but no Australians were killed or injured which is my primary concern,in Australias big terror incident the Bali bombing we worked with the Indonesian Government and the perpetrators were caught and executed so justice was done.Justice however has not been done in the US neither with 9-11 or this you have been lied to..again,however this wont be a gun control issue but a security issue look for lots of OSI Systems security in Vegas soon.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Diabolical1972

The hallways weren't clear. Police spent that hour clearing the floor to get as many innocents out of the way as possible before they engaged. Not to mention, like butcherguy said, they saw a cable coming from his room. For all they knew it was rigged to explosives. So while it may have been an hour or so before SWAT breached the room, law enforcement was definitely present.

That is the way I understand the situation from official reports. However---if there was a law enforcement presence on the floor at the time---the entire time---why did they not hear him shoot himself? I haven't had the time to listen to the tapes of the scanner but several people have reported that the shooting stopped just prior to the security guard being shot and did not resume. Are the rooms soundproofed?

Not trying to argue one way or the other---just wondering how they didn't hear the shot that killed him?

a reply to: worsaw


Actually shooting for a short period of time and then breaking contact is doctrine for an ambush.
Everyone dumps a mag then you move. You have a second shooter or team covering that move.
Its entirely possible that a second shooter fired for 5 minutes then went to cover the door while Paddock continued to shoot. Once that second shooter saw the guard and fired at him, they broke contact and escaped down the stairs or down the hall. That left Paddock in the room alone and when he realized this he knew he was probably not going to make it out and killed himself.
That's only one possibility.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Dragoon01

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I have to disagree with your reasoning behind the possibility of a second shooter. Someone was still alive in that room when the security guard got shot. From that moment onward there were eyes on the room. So that means a second shooter would have had to sneak out prior to that event and that Paddock was still alive.

But if that's the case why didn't Paddock simply escape at the same time as his accomplice?

Why didn't he fight back if he was being killed by the "real shooters?"

Clearly, weaponry was widely available - and if what posters are suggesting is true, he was making arms deal with IS - in a public hotel. Would precautionary measures not to be taken?

a reply to: Dragoon01

Just because they backed off doesn't mean they took their eyes off the door. Most of these casino security guys have form of training. Be it military, LE, or whatever. They're going to return fire as they withdraw down the hall. Especially if they have wounded. They're not just going to turn and run, giving the perp a chance to slip away.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

The accomplice could have killed Paddock so authorities would think he was alone.

There is no evidence they "had eyes on the door". In fact, they clearly said they backed off because peaking down the hallway meant getting a bullet to the head.

Here is the basic layout of a Mandalay Bay floor:



The shooter(s) had control of the two rooms at the end of the hallway, rooms 32134 and 32135, roughly circled in red. With easy access to the stairs. The camera was placed in front of room 32134. A camera may have been looking at the stairwell doorway also.



The security guard and officers arrived via elevators in the green circle, and the guard was shot while walking down the hall towards the rooms. He was near the elevator.

www.usatoday.com...

“We have a security officer also shot in the leg on the 32nd floor,” someone from SWAT says. “He’s standing right by the elevator.”

“He shot down the hallway and hit a security guard,” says another.

They may have cleared the other hallways circled in purple. But they completely backed off away from the hallway with the room at the end. There is no evidence they kept an eye on the door. In fact, there is evidence they moved on to evacuate other floors while waiting for SWAT. There was a large window for someone to escape via stairs.

a reply to: diggindirt

If they were down the long hallway, peeking around the corner to monitor the door, seems likely they couldn't hear a single small caliber pistol shot considering the heightened threat situation. That sounds reasonable and very plausible to me.

So on the chan website...Anonymous predicts on Sept 11 2017, That high incident project will happen but doesn't know when it will happen to change security for LV.

Now that is interesting, did he know something beforehand? 4th one down. Not chan website.

i.redd.it...

a reply to: diggindirt

If he was already returning fire they may have just assumed it was another shot directed their way.

Great press conference from the President. It honestly seems like he's the only one not pushing an agenda during this situation.

a reply to: Dragoon01

Good point.

a reply to: khnum


"this wont be a gun control issue but a security issue look for lots of OSI Systems security in Vegas soon. "


Not just in Vegas, but g0v buildings, schools, other businesses with high volumes of people.


Welcome to 1984...