Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

But you are missing the point.

When you shot your self in the head and sudden death occures... You will first fall right to the ground like dead Weight. The only motion you will have is down.

Not always.
I have witnessed a lot of large mammals being killed with head shots from firearms. Sometimes there was a complete absence of any muscle contraction, other times, there was what appeared to be a strong contraction in all observable muscles that caused strong shaking and twitching. Sometimes there was kicking and flailing that went on with the limbs.

a reply to: gps777

It doesn't? Why one pool of drier blood and one of wetter blood? That indicates two different patterns of blood dispersal.

a reply to: firerescue

Bingo!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Agree. We can only theorize how and why, but definitely moved.

no expertise of firing a weapon

a reply to: Diabolical1972

How do you know?

You are aware that Las Vegas and Mesquite where he lived are surrounded by thousands of square miles of EMPTY DESERT

Just take your guns and drive few miles and are in empty wilderness ......

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I see the blood spot your talking about, but to me this is too close for rolling someone over. It would seem to me this is the thinner blood which ran and soaked in, you can see where it even ran to that pool.

If he was ever laying on his front he would have run marks down his face across his cheeks, there isn`t any only the blood that comes from the mouth and nose running backward toward his skull.

a reply to: opethPA

Someone posted an audio of the police scanner, I heard several shots fired at several casinos, who was reporting all these.

a reply to: judydawg

Pretty common, during events such as these, to get all kinds of crazy eyewitness reports.

Eyewitness reports are notoriously inaccurate. Many times wildly so.

This does not surprise me in the least.

ETA...As I noted scores of pages ago in this thread, I once spoke with a senior NTSB investigator about an aircraft incident. He indicated that nearly 100% of eyewitness testimony is ultimately found to have some major flaw. The person either recalls the event incorrectly, or didn't understand what they were actually seeing...or just flat out makes stuff up because they just want to be involved. People perceive the world around them differently when they're scared or in shock.

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: opethPA

Someone posted an audio of the police scanner, I heard several shots fired at several casinos, who was reporting all these.

This thing called chaos and the fog of war..

a reply to: judydawg

As opeth and FCD said the chaos of it all led to reports of shots all down the Strip. Remember that the Strip is pretty much a man-made canyon. The echo is going to make it sound like shots are coming from everywhere.

a reply to: judydawg

Don't believe everything you read here either...

a reply to: AdemirAlagic

The shooting only lasted 9 minutes from what police said... nowit took swat almost an hour to get in. That means he was likely dead a long time which throws out the need for cameras. It's obvious the cameras were there for who ever to escape. They kill this guy leave him there stage the scene and move onto the next shooting where the next patsy will be blamed..

Right ..........

Lets exam this logically .....

Once established have mass shooting and SWAT Is called would take several minutes for SWAT team to assemble (if not
already assembled)

Have to establish gunfire coming from upper floors of Mandalay Bay Hotel

Las Vegas is big place, will take time to reach Mandalay Bay hotel

Hotel is 43 floors (there is no 13 floor as is unlucky) , with over 3000 rooms

Have to establish what floor and room involved . From reports by other guests and security guard who was shot in leg
by shooter establish is rooms 3214/3215. Swat commander meeting with security and management will get
floorplans for 32 floor and layout of rooms

Police and hotel security (probably armed) would be in stairwells watching floor to contain shooter until SWAT can get
there

Checking with management will have to find out how many people and in what rooms are on that floor

Can probably establish that by checking records of electronic doors, when opened/closed.

Will need to either evacuate residents or have them shelter in rooms away from shooter

Will need to draw up plan to make entry - have a shooter with presumed automatic weapons holed up in suite

Since have not heard any gunfire for while assume shooter is barricaded in waiting for cops

Once plan in place make entry......

Or as trolls say

Simply go up to floor and start kicking in doors until find shooter......

Now granted, this is from infowars.

But it's worth a look because there are actual pictures of the receipt that was posted on a Mandalay bay employees Facebook page.

www.infowars.com...

It shows a receipt for room service to paddock in the same room on the 27th, a day before the authorities say he checked in.

It also shows that there were two guests, meaning there was a second person in the room on the 27th.

Very interesting.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: 0x6372756d6273
You know what should really get your attention? The differences...

www.usatoday.com...

“We’ll also need the 29th floor. It sounds like it’s confirmed that there are at least two shooters with fully automatic weapons.” (Editor's note: There was only one shooter on the scene, later identified as Stephen Paddock).

www.foxnews.com...

"We will need the 29th floor," the voice continues. "It sounds like there are at least two shooters with fully automatic weapons."

You must be new to this, before the building collapsed during 911 the news had reported the building collapsed even though it was quite clearly still erect.

That was the BBC and England is 4hrs ahead of New York.

originally posted by: Grambler
Now granted, this is from infowars.

But it's worth a look because there are actual pictures of the receipt that was posted on a Mandalay bay employees Facebook page.

www.infowars.com...

It shows a receipt for room service to paddock in the same room on the 27th, a day before the authorities say he checked in.

It also shows that there were two guests, meaning there was a second person in the room on the 27th.

Very interesting.

What I see there is a receipt for rooms service to that room for two people, on that date. Is there some mention of his name there?
I don't see any proof that one of the two people in that room on that day was him.
It could be receipt for other guests staying in that room that day.

(not saying he wasn't, just that I don't see any proof there that he was - maybe I missed it? )

a reply to: Grambler

Nice one! I will go far reaching but the second person on the 27th if there was any was probably a woman judging by the food order. Soup and bagel. If I assume the burger went for paddock

Also the room service waiter Antonio was probably interviewed a few times by the FBI if he saw anyone else in the room?

a reply to: Bluesma

His name is on the bottom of the bill. At least was charged for his room at the time.

originally posted by: Bluesma

originally posted by: Grambler
Now granted, this is from infowars.

But it's worth a look because there are actual pictures of the receipt that was posted on a Mandalay bay employees Facebook page.

www.infowars.com...

It shows a receipt for room service to paddock in the same room on the 27th, a day before the authorities say he checked in.

It also shows that there were two guests, meaning there was a second person in the room on the 27th.

Very interesting.

What I see there is a receipt for rooms service to that room for two people, on that date. Is there some mention of his name there?
I don't see any proof that one of the two people in that room on that day was him.
It could be receipt for other guests staying in that room that day.

(not saying he wasn't, just that I don't see any proof there that he was - maybe I missed it? )

The receipt on the bottom has his name typed on it.

Again, this could all be a fake, but it's worth looking in to.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: anonfamily
a reply to: Nyiah

Mix that with the fact this guy doesn't yet fit any profile, it seems all like a setup.

It smells much more like a guy leading a very good Jekyl & Hyde-like double life and being smart enough to not leave a paper trail to it.

Many serial killers throughout history have blindsided people like this, too, this kind of mentality is not a new phenomena. Dahmer, Gacy, and Bundy are the best examples of people never knowing who these people really were at their core.

The shooters father was diagnosed as a Psychopath...aka..Unable to feel empathy or remorse for people they hurt and also not having a normal fear mechanism.

Studies have shown that Psychopathological Traits can be inherited.

Otherwise, I agree. It might not have been that this guy "snapped", but he likely was a functioning Psychopath his entire life with a sufficient social façade he put on to operate in the normal world.

THIS is a good article on the Shooters Father..

"Diagnosed Psychopath"
Ran Bingo scams, avid bridge player

In 1960, when Stephen Paddock was 7, F.B.I. agents showed up at his family’s tidy white ranch house in the hills outside Tucson, Ariz., stunning the neighbors and even the local sheriff. No one could fathom that Pat Paddock, the big, jolly father of four young boys who owned a small business in town and was a special deputy at the sheriff’s office, was really Benjamin Hoskins Paddock, a serial bank robber with a rap sheet that stretched back to Chicago.LINK

originally posted by: Grambler


The receipt on the bottom has his name typed on it.

Again, this could all be a fake, but it's worth looking in to.

Ah ! I did miss it! Thank you for clarifying for me!