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Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:42 AM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Yes, but not until the person has hit the ground.
A person who is hit where you describe will go down like a sack of potatoes. The only motion you will see is a person who falls asap.
He will not throwhis arms arround at all. He will not try to break the fall by trying to soften the landing with his arms.
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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: spy66

and you said,




When the light goes out there is no reaction, there are no active nerves.


i pointed out other wise. there are still active nerves. that's why they aim and shoot there.
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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Well then we have to agree to disagree.
Because it would not Happened.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: spy66

haven't you ever heard of a body twitching after being decapitated. there is no brain to feed the signals to the body but yet it does.


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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:57 AM
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Why it happened might have been planned for some time now



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
Why it happened might have been planned for some time now



That is an excellent video and the connection to the Chertoff Group is blatantly obvious.

It sums up the answer to the question of why?

This is how the elite shape the world into their vision.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 08:28 AM
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elysiumfire:

With Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, it is looking like a picture is slowly starting to emerge of his mindset. His behaviour towards his girlfriend, the way the curtains at their house were (seemingly) always closed, they way that they didn't socialise much with the local community, although Danley did on occasions, and the fact that Paddock had been proscribed Diazepam (also known as Valium) as an anti-anxiety depressant months before the attack, and the way he amassed an arsenal of weapons, seems to point towards the onset of paranoid schizophrenia as the underlying cause for his motive?

Paddock it seems was battling his own metaphorical demons, and ultimately lost out to them with extreme tragic consequence to 59 people and hundreds more.


Brought from another thread in which I had written the above. Hope no one minds?
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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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Regarding the shooter's body position and other objects (guns, etc.) nearby...

I think a lot of people are overlooking one key element. The killer appears to have fallen face down, and police likely rolled him over and kicked weapons which may have been near his hands away after they gained entry. This would be done as a precaution (and also to check for signs of life). Consequently, I'm not sure how much stock you can put in the location of items, body included, in the picture(s).



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

i don't think that they would do any thing other than move weapons out of reach, cops don't disturb crime scene at first and can check for pulse and breathing with out moving the person even with a big hole in the back of his head. that's why they take crime scene photos.

that's why i said other than cops posing the body, i think these are after they first did the initial crime scene sweep and knew he was dead.


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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I did think about that, but the blood coming from his head doesn`t suggest he was moved. There is enough photos to suggest he had not been moved, otherwise we would see another big pool of blood close by, he was there quite some time before police got into the room. He is in a near perfect position (legs out straight arms by his sides) which seems real strange?



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie

But you are missing the point.

When you shot your self in the head and sudden death occures... You will first fall right to the ground like dead Weight. The only motion you will have is down.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I believe it is standard police procedure to cuff and place any suspect face down until they are sure the suspect in no longer a threat, in this case dead. If the police followed that procedure, which they should have it would make sense that they then would remove the cuffs and roll him face up. However the blood coming from his mouth and pooling doesn't support that.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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Since we can only guess at this point....
My guess is that he sat down on the floor with his legs straight out in front of him, put the revolver in his mouth, angled up (but not straight up) and fired it.
He fell back, face up, onto the floor. The blood on his face came out nearly immediately as he was falling backwards and some was aspirated out of his nose and mouth after he hit the floor, as it is not uncommon for involuntary breaths to be taken during the death process.
The blood from the exit wound in the back of his head pooled around the empty rifle cartridge cases that were already on the floor.

The part that I am not getting is the trail of blood drops between his right shoulder and where the revolver was lying on the floor in the photo.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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A trained professional heard two shooters with fully automatic weapons.


Because shooter had a 2 room suite - windows on 2 sides of corner giving multiple angles and impression there
were 2 shooters

Had 23 guns in room with multiple weapons at each window



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: itsmikeski

Come now. He is firing on full auto with a bump stock. Accuracy isn't going to be well at 400 yards at all. He didn't need to be accurate firing into a crowd that size.

Also one of the (many) reasons you want to fire from an elevated position is exactly your % of headshot. The bullet has to travel on a trajectory. Firing into a crowd the bullet will hit the highest target first. Thus heads... It isn't accuracy man it is physics.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: spy66

even at the momment the bullet passes through your brain signals are being sent and have been sent, just as when your head is cut off they don't stop traveling in the nerves for milla to seconds after being sent and no more signals are coming.

there is a term for it i'm trying to find it now.

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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: gps777

Actually it does (suggest he was moved). At least prior to the photo of his face anyway. If you look at the blood stains in the photo they tell a story. Just to the right of the head you see a large soaked-in blood stain, and to the left you see heavy, thick, congealed blood. This blood didn't soak in to the carpet. (Note: it's also the same blood which covers some of the cartridge casings). The blood which soaked into the carpet likely came from his nose and mouth (as he was laying on his face). The thicker blood (mixed with brain tissue) likely came from the exit wound in his skull (after he was rolled over).

And, I disagree with the other poster about not moving the body to preserve the crime scene. In that kind of a situation one of the first priorities of authorities (after checking for signs of life) is going to be identification. For this, at least initially, they need to see the face (to compare with ID on the body and elsewhere). They need to confirm the suspect's identification and get word out in case there is another accomplice. Disturbing the crime scene is a distant priority when compared to securing the crime scene (and any other crime scene which may be in progress). Happens all the time.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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It doesn't matter....

That dead guy isn't Paddock.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: SpartanStoic

So you agree, correct?



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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a reply to: HUSARIA



How did his leg end up under the gun with the bipod? That is very strange to me.


Stop overthinking and trying to make it into some grand conspiracy

Cops when entering room would have removed all weapons from shooters reach, would have turned the body over
and check for signs of life



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