Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

a reply to: RomeByFire

Thank you for showing the 4th floor flashing was not a gun. I also argued that long ago it was a reflection, and didn't match the gunshot sounds even when you adjust the audio for sound travel time delay. So is this your strawman attempt?

Now where is your evidence nobody else was involved? That is what I have been arguing. Please don't post a quote from the police again.

Speculation time.

There is new speculation regarding this whole thing, and it is a very "tinfoily" narrative, prepare yourselves.

The FBI is leaning on the LVMPD not to release information because it implicates them in the following:

Paddock was an intelligence operative involved in a gun running entrapment scheme run by the FBI. They were selling guns to domestic and foreign terrorists and then snatching them up.

ISIS operatives who were supposedly entrapped actually knew about the trap and executed Paddock, killing spree by the terrorists ensues and they then fled the scene.

I mean...fast and furious 2 is basically the idea.

a reply to: butcherguy

originally posted by: anonfamily
a reply to: RomeByFire

Thank you for showing the 4th floor flashing was not a gun. I also argued that long ago it was a reflection, and didn't match the gunshot sounds even when you adjust the audio for sound travel time delay. So is this your strawman attempt?

Now where is your evidence nobody else was involved? That is what I have been arguing. Please don't post a quote from the police again.

I never made the claim of multiple shooters.

Burden of proof

Where is your evidence that the shooter isn't a 4,000 year old Sumerian God risen from the depths of the Luxor?

Because that's what I think happened.

EDIT: Why wouldn't I quote the police? Are they to not be trusted? They were actually there.

originally posted by: nicevillegrl
a reply to: Diabolical1972

Here are first 28 minutes www.youtube.com...
Here is after that until 5:50 (on this one, you can see the live chat comments as bubbles in the bottom, right): www.youtube.com...
Here is another 4 hour one (didn't listen to this one): www.youtube.com...

wow, 3 armoured cars, and 1 male walking into the Bellsio with a rifle, and that got no attention??? Was it casino heist?

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Speculation time.

There is new speculation regarding this whole thing, and it is a very "tinfoily" narrative, prepare yourselves.

The FBI is leaning on the LVMPD not to release information because it implicates them in the following:

Paddock was an intelligence operative involved in a gun running entrapment scheme run by the FBI. They were selling guns to domestic and foreign terrorists and then snatching them up.

ISIS operatives who were supposedly entrapped actually knew about the trap and executed Paddock, killing spree by the terrorists ensues and they then fled the scene.

I mean...fast and furious 2 is basically the idea.

It's a possibility.
It's just as much a possibility that the OS is true.

Need more info to really say either way for sure.

a reply to: Jonjonj

The problem that I have with that idea is that they may have had extreme difficulty leaving the scene unnoticed. Typically, those sort of terrorists tend to martyr themselves too.... like blow themselves and an end of the hotel up in the end.

a reply to: Jonjonj

I also heard a TOTAL speculation today that someone from Mexico said it sounds like something MS13 would do. THIS PERSON'S (again, 100%) SPECULATION was that Paddock could have owed gambling debts so they kidnapped his gf (or someone important to her/them), he sent money as a down payment, and then had to do this so they would free her. (Tried to make that short since it was purely hypothetical.) Of course, that sounds more like a script for a movie than reality...

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Speculation time.

There is new speculation regarding this whole thing, and it is a very "tinfoily" narrative, prepare yourselves.

The FBI is leaning on the LVMPD not to release information because it implicates them in the following:

Paddock was an intelligence operative involved in a gun running entrapment scheme run by the FBI. They were selling guns to domestic and foreign terrorists and then snatching them up.

ISIS operatives who were supposedly entrapped actually knew about the trap and executed Paddock, killing spree by the terrorists ensues and they then fled the scene.

I mean...fast and furious 2 is basically the idea.

That actually wouldn't surprise me, considering the FBI and other alphabet-soups love entrapment and have been caught in the past doing it.

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Speculation time.

There is new speculation regarding this whole thing, and it is a very "tinfoily" narrative, prepare yourselves.

The FBI is leaning on the LVMPD not to release information because it implicates them in the following:

Paddock was an intelligence operative involved in a gun running entrapment scheme run by the FBI. They were selling guns to domestic and foreign terrorists and then snatching them up.

ISIS operatives who were supposedly entrapped actually knew about the trap and executed Paddock, killing spree by the terrorists ensues and they then fled the scene.

I mean...fast and furious 2 is basically the idea.

It's a possibility.
It's just as much a possibility that the OS is true.

Need more info to really say either way for sure.

Indeed, the information, as always nowadays comes from a supposed insider of the LVMPD who is disgusted by it.

Posted to the 4chan area...of course!

a reply to: RomeByFire

You are making the claim there weren't multiple shooters. So show me your burden of proof.

We have evidence that multiple shooters were in the same room. There were two broken windows, two guns set up at each window, 23 guns, and audio suggesting both guns were firing at separate times. So ... what do you have?

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Jonjonj

The problem that I have with that idea is that they may have had extreme difficulty leaving the scene unnoticed. Typically, those sort of terrorists tend to martyr themselves too.... like blow themselves and an end of the hotel up in the end.

I guess, the implication here being that the objective was to end the sting and the attack was just a rather beneficial opportunity that presented itself.

originally posted by: anonfamily
a reply to: RomeByFire

You are making the claim there weren't multiple shooters. So show me your burden of proof.

We have evidence that multiple shooters were in the same room. There were two broken windows, two guns set up at each window, 23 guns, and audio suggesting both guns were firing at separate times. So ... what do you have?

You've already said "don't quote the police," which I've used for primarily all available information (police scanners, to be exact).

I have made NO claims regarding multiple shooters - other posters have.

I don't have to "prove," the absence of a claim... that's (to quote Spock) "illogical."

Where's your proof the shooter isn't an ancient Sumerian diety?

Do you honestly not see how silly this is.

originally posted by: anonfamily
a reply to: RomeByFire

You are making the claim there weren't multiple shooters. So show me your burden of proof.

We have evidence that multiple shooters were in the same room. There were two broken windows, two guns set up at each window, 23 guns, and audio suggesting both guns were firing at separate times. So ... what do you have?

Why is anything you listed evidence that their were multiple shooters in the same room other than speculation?

All anyone knows for sure is that two windows were broken and gun shots came from those two windows killing multiple people. Also that the alleged other shooter on the 4th floor because of the muzzle flash was actually a light that was there for hours before the shooting starting.

originally posted by: nicevillegrl
a reply to: Jonjonj

I also heard a TOTAL speculation today that someone from Mexico said it sounds like something MS13 would do. THIS PERSON'S (again, 100%) SPECULATION was that Paddock could have owed gambling debts so they kidnapped his gf (or someone important to her/them), he sent money as a down payment, and then had to do this so they would free her. (Tried to make that short since it was purely hypothetical.) Of course, that sounds more like a script for a movie than reality...

The whole 13 tattoo thing, right? I think it makes as much sense as anything else. Mara SalvaTrucha are pretty savage.

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Jonjonj

The problem that I have with that idea is that they may have had extreme difficulty leaving the scene unnoticed. Typically, those sort of terrorists tend to martyr themselves too.... like blow themselves and an end of the hotel up in the end.

I guess, the implication here being that the objective was to end the sting and the attack was just a rather beneficial opportunity that presented itself.

The sting part is easy to believe.
I could also easily believe that there was a second shooter.
The audio that sounds like two different weapons firing at the same time is the best evidence that has been presented of that...the only evidence of it so far, imo.

a reply to: Diabolical1972

That's weird, I think we would heard about this, I think maybe there was allot of panic, in the fog of war. No doubt interesting find..

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Speculation time.

There is new speculation regarding this whole thing, and it is a very "tinfoily" narrative, prepare yourselves.

The FBI is leaning on the LVMPD not to release information because it implicates them in the following:

Paddock was an intelligence operative involved in a gun running entrapment scheme run by the FBI. They were selling guns to domestic and foreign terrorists and then snatching them up.

ISIS operatives who were supposedly entrapped actually knew about the trap and executed Paddock, killing spree by the terrorists ensues and they then fled the scene.

I mean...fast and furious 2 is basically the idea.

That actually wouldn't surprise me, considering the FBI and other alphabet-soups love entrapment and have been caught in the past doing it.

Nothing at all would surprise me about this cluster****, it seems to be right out of conspiracy theory book number 1. It lends itself to absolutely any and every possibility.

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Jonjonj
Speculation time.

There is new speculation regarding this whole thing, and it is a very "tinfoily" narrative, prepare yourselves.

The FBI is leaning on the LVMPD not to release information because it implicates them in the following:

Paddock was an intelligence operative involved in a gun running entrapment scheme run by the FBI. They were selling guns to domestic and foreign terrorists and then snatching them up.

ISIS operatives who were supposedly entrapped actually knew about the trap and executed Paddock, killing spree by the terrorists ensues and they then fled the scene.

I mean...fast and furious 2 is basically the idea.

That actually wouldn't surprise me, considering the FBI and other alphabet-soups love entrapment and have been caught in the past doing it.

Nothing at all would surprise me about this cluster****, it seems to be right out of conspiracy theory book number 1. It lends itself to absolutely any and every possibility.

As long as the OS being one of those possibilities I agree with what you are saying here.

originally posted by: RomeByFire
Where's your proof the shooter isn't an ancient Sumerian diety?

Do you honestly not see how silly this is.

Yes, I do see how silly it is. So kindly, stop making these silly comments.

You have argued against there being multiple shooters. This implies you have some type of proof there were not multiple shooters, where is it?