Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: UKTruth

The only other casinos that have a view of the venue are the Luxor and the Tropicana. No broken windows there either.

So no broken windows equals no shots form that room?
What about if one of the windows was cut to allow fire from it? Would you see that on pictures on the internet?
Would that be impossible?

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Well the thing is. He was never observed with any gun cases. Not in the lobby or in his hotell rom.

In other words he never had to hide something he never brought to the hotell.... Get it?

When I checked into the Red Rock Casino , about 15 - 20 mins away from the Mandalay Bay , on Sunday there was a guy with the travel case that people use for golf bags.

What's to say he didnt have guns in that?
What's to say the shooter didnt take that approach or something even simpler to get them into his room?
Why did he have to only transport guns in a gun case?

So did he have a sledge hammer to break out the thick glass? I mean come on. No way 1 old fart was the sole duty of the shooting. None what so ever. It takes a group or team to mastermind something of this calibur.

originally posted by: Konduit
What do you guys think of this? This is getting weird.

I am surprised that this image did not get a little more attention back on page 109, but it did seem to get lost amongst all the gun talk. I am curious on where did you find this image?

Edit add: admittedly, it looks like a family get together with the shooter and his brothers?

a reply to: UKTruth

With the time allotted? Yes I do think it would be impossible. Even your average window is a pain to replace. These are much heavier and 30+ stories up. Not to mention casino security would probably be immediately notified of one were damaged or removed.

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Well the thing is. He was never observed with any gun cases. Not in the lobby or in his hotell rom.

In other words he never had to hide something he never brought to the hotell.... Get it?

When I checked into the Red Rock Casino , about 15 - 20 mins away from the Mandalay Bay , on Sunday there was a guy with the travel case that people use for golf bags.

What's to say he didnt have guns in that?
What's to say the shooter didnt take that approach or something even simpler to get them into his room?
Why did he have to only transport guns in a gun case?

Maybe that guy was part of the team. You never know. You probably saw one of the killers.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: UKTruth

The only other casinos that have a view of the venue are the Luxor and the Tropicana. No broken windows there either.

So no broken windows equals no shots form that room?
What about if one of the windows was cut to allow fire from it? Would you see that on pictures on the internet?
Would that be impossible?

Well windows are out twitter.com... you can see one of shooters windows in shot as well..

a reply to: antibren

Why? Reports said he was there for 10 days. That's a lot of footage from a lot of cameras to go over.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Well the thing is. He was never observed with any gun cases. Not in the lobby or in his hotell rom.

In other words he never had to hide something he never brought to the hotell.... Get it?

Really? How do you know this? Is that police investigation looking at videos over several DAYS already done and the report released? Astounding work by them!

They didn't magically teleport into that room. If not he, there would be video of someone else doing so. But then.. maybe not. Many hotels I have stayed at have stairs that connect to the parking garage so you can bring up luggage from your car without having to go through the lobby. Been a while since I stayed in the hotel where this happened, so I don't recall (I do remember there being long-ass hallways in that hotel). But it's far to early to making assumptions like you are. You have -no- idea about the particulars.. you are guessing. Which is standard for ATS. Make bold, ridiculous claims within literally hours after an incident.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: antibren

Why? Reports said he was there for 10 days. That's a lot of footage from a lot of cameras to go over.

Do you honestly believe at this point they haven’t gone over the footage and have at least some evidence of him coming in with 10 bags for 20+ rifles . As well as where is your source for 10 days I’ve seen multiple reports that is was 3 days

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: antibren

Why? Reports said he was there for 10 days. That's a lot of footage from a lot of cameras to go over.

Where do you get 10 days?
Every report has him checking in on the 28th.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: UKTruth

With the time allotted? Yes I do think it would be impossible. Even your average window is a pain to replace. These are much heavier and 30+ stories up. Not to mention casino security would probably be immediately notified of one were damaged or removed.

Time allotted? What if windows were cut before in preparation?
I would hope the investigation rules out all possibilities before jumping to the conclusion that broken windows = shooter locations.
We're not going to be told about all the details of the investigation, at least yet. I bet all possibilities are being discussed as part of it, just like here really.

IF I wanted to create the illusion of one firing position, I'd discreetly prepare the firing positions I needed and then make the one I wanted to draw attention to blatantly obvious. There was actually no need to smash out the windows the way they were. Glass can be cut/removed far more surgically that taking a hammer to it and smashing out the majority of the whole window. The shooter must have been smart enough to bypass any sensors on the windows (if they have them for safety) but so crude as to use a hammer to break the window?

a reply to: Diabolical1972

From the photos it looks like he had a pretty hefty hammer. Sledge? No. But definitely one that could break the glass no problem.

Also, why does he need a team. Charles Whitman committed a similar shooting all by himself thanks to a brain tumor.

World's Fastest Shooter vs Bump Fire:

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a reply to: spy66

Was there a terror link....

1. 100k sent to 'girlfriend' who is in Philippines
2. Philippines has large Islamic population.Did she have kids who could have influenced?
3. Pictures of her in Dubai stating she will be back to see family
4.Also, why did news reports say she was the person who was led from the concert 45 minutes before the shooting but now she is in the Phillipines and has been for a week
Remember it was odd ISIS took credit when they do not always....

or was it an anti-right shooting...

1. 100k sent to the girlfriend as payment for help
2. She was a high-limit hostess at Casinos so she may have known people to help the shooter in the casinos
3. They attacked what many, including the media, call a conservative concert of country folk


or he was simply a fruitcake...just a few things to think about

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Diabolical1972

From the photos it looks like he had a pretty hefty hammer. Sledge? No. But definitely one that could break the glass no problem.

Also, why does he need a team. Charles Whitman committed a similar shooting all by himself thanks to a brain tumor.

Pictures of the hammer have surfaced. It clearly could do the job with a smaller size

a reply to: opethPA

I might be wrong. I remember seeing early reports that said 10 days. Even then three days worth of footage from hundreds of cameras is going to take a while to sift through.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: opethPA

I might be wrong. I remember seeing early reports that said 10 days. Even then three days worth of footage from hundreds of cameras is going to take a while to sift through.

Yup agreed was just trying to see if I had missed the 10 day part some place.
Thanks for clarifying.

a reply to: CynConcepts

4chan. Internet sleuths and anons seem to be the only ones putting out information about the shooter at this point.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: opethPA

I might be wrong. I remember seeing early reports that said 10 days. Even then three days worth of footage from hundreds of cameras is going to take a while to sift through.

Not for the LARGE team they have working through it.