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Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

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posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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I found a video that appears to show muzzle flashes on a much lower floor.



(Age restricted video)




posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: Gemwolf

Exactly. I lived in Vegas for a decade. They don't open like that. Some may pop open about 1-2" Some hotel rule breaking smokers probably know this



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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So no one could manage to gain entry into a room they are not meant to enter?

Absolutely stating someone could not be there because it's off limits is a bit short sighted. Yeah, never happen on Earth.

People are not suppose to shoot each other because there are laws forbidding it.

Some day the government to tell us what "really" happening. They wouldn't mislead us for an agenda. haha.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: ChrisM101
a reply to: Tempter

Has anyone any commentary on the Video on FB showing gunfire from a 4th or 5th floor location? It clearly shows flash from the window at the same time as you can hear the firing, and nothing from the upper floors at that time?


Dont know what it is, but, no broken glass, and its to low to shoot into the venue.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: jrod

The problem with that theory is the only broken windows were on the 32nd floor. Plus there is footage that shows the "muzzle flash" stool going even when no shots are being fired.

I've seen people say that there was a strobe light in that room that had been on for an extended period of time.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
So no one could manage to gain entry into a room they are not meant to enter?

Absolutely stating someone could not be there because it's off limits is a bit short sighted. Yeah, never happen on Earth.

People are not suppose to shoot each other because there are laws forbidding it.

Some day the government to tell us what "really" happening. They wouldn't mislead us for an agenda. haha.


Not saying that at all. But then the window would have to be missing that DAY. Since there are no pictures of any missing windows on 10/1, we must assume they were not being worked on. That is the only way they could be completely open for someone to take advantage of.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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.. this is way too elaborate for just some crazy guy.

He could have just as easily walked into the concert with the gun, and did even more damage up close. No need for all this planning and stuff. What the heck...


Um.. that's kind of the point. A "crazy guy"... someone with some sort of brain disorder, might see all sorts of reasons to do it exactly like he did. He was aiming for maximum carnage - with that many deaths and injuries, I'd say he got exactly what he was looking for.

This place is nuts after an incident. According to this site, there are not actually any crazy people with guns. No mass attack events. Absolutely -everything-.. every single event, is called a false flag / staged event. ALL of them. Which is ridiculous.

As per the above.. how in the world do you know this is "way too elaborate" for a crazy guy?" A guy with money too. It's obvious the guy had a thing for guns.. well beyond self defense and hunting. Who knows where his mind went. But I don't think it's too farfetched that he might do it exactly how he did it. I think it's ludicrous to claim it has to be a set-up event just based on the # of guns.. a camera in the hall.. etc.

And actually.. I think it makes it more likely. Unless the "power that be" are stupid.. why would they over-embelish a lie? You never do it. Why would they invent a camera in the hall if there wasn't actually a camera in the hall? There would be no point. So there probably actually was a camera in the hall.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

There is a delay due to the speed of sound and distance. You see a muzzle flash and hear the pop after...

You have to admit the flashes on the lower floor are VERY SUSPICIOUS!



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: jrod

Not really considering witnesses are saying they were going on long before the shooting happened and those windows aren't broken.

ETA: Also your explanation doesn't really make sense. You are right that you would see the light before hearing the sound. But the sound stops and the light keeps going. If the light was a muzzle flash then the light should have stopped before the sound. That's not what we're seeing though.
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posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Xcalibur254

There is a delay due to the speed of sound and distance. You see a muzzle flash and hear the pop after...

You have to admit the flashes on the lower floor are VERY SUSPICIOUS!


Recordings of the LV police scanners mention more than one shooter.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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I posted this picture way back because I thought it was kind of odd. After they showed the windows smashed out later, I was wondering why nobody noticed glass raining down to the ground. I would think that would have had to of made some noise.

So I thought id try and see if I could tell if the windows where smashed when this was taken. I tried zooming and different filters but I just don't have a good enough program to do it. Maybe someone else can take a shot at it? Would be interesting to know I think. seems like you should be able to see the perch he had too seeing as this picture seems to have been taken shortly after the shooting had stopped.

If they weren't smashed, then what? If they were then that's one more thing we can scratch off the list. Anyone curious enough to try and see? I really wish I had a hand held magnifier.


edit on 10/3/17 by onehuman because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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Most mass shooters feel like they've been wrong by the world on some level. Given shooter in this case was a compulsive gambler. My guess is he was close to being broke and probably lost the farm so he lashed out at Las Vegas. He probably blamed the entirety of Las Vegas for his problems.

From what I understand is he was playing high stakes video poker. That stuff will wipe you out quick financially. I watched my grandmother lose $100,000 a year and she only played $1 at a time. From what I understand of the shooter he was betting $10 a hand.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Lower floors often have windows that open. Upper floors do not open to prevent jumpers and drunks from falling out.

Also the flashes are at an irregular interval, a strobe would have a regular interval.
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posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:19 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

At different hotels. All of those reports were cleared. But even then common sense is enough to debunk those reports. The only casualties occurred at the concert venue. That rules out the reports made at places like the Mirage and Harrah's.

In fact only three casinos have a view of the venue. Mandalay Bay, the Luxor, and the Tropicana. Of those the only one with broken windows is Mandalay Bay and only at Braddock's 32nd floor sniper nest.

The reason there were so many other reports comes down to the design of the Strip. It's more or less an artificial canyon. Sound is going to do some funny things bouncing off all those skyscrapers. That's why people on pretty much the other end of the Strip thought they heard people shooting from those casinos.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: jrod

My memory could be off. But Ive been on lower middle and upper level floors in most of the top 10 hotels on the strip. Ive never opened a window fully.. except maybe hardrock



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: jrod

These casinos are pretty practiced in not losing money. Even a window on the fourth floor that opens all the way would be a liability.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Sorry, I tend to believe law enforcement rather than an internet debunkers.

There is to much speculation, rationalization, control of information and outright lies.

I also find it curious for members to say adamantly that "this is the way it happened" and try and censor investigation...my CT brain asks WHY.
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posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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You can't open the windows in the Mandalay Bay at any level. The exception really at any of the hotels here being if you have a deck.

I'm staying at the Red Rock , 15 mins from strip, right now on the 7th floor and the windows are sealed.

All the videos in the thread that people say show muzzle flash are too pixelated and could be explained by other things.

More often then not Occam wins in life and based on the known facts, not conjecture, their was one shooter on the 32 floor.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:28 AM
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Interesting link here....

worldtruth.tv...



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: onehuman
I think it was you TrueBrit that asked why the 4th floor windows weren't smashed out too yes? Apparently the windows can be opened as seen by these two photos below. This could change a lot of narrative I think.





I don't think that the windows appearing "opened" is being interpreted correctly here.

As an architect that works on hotels, that pic you show would be a basic violation of International Building Code. There is no way that would get through the permitting process. It is a safety issue. No hotel, office building, or any other recent commercial construction like that is going to have an operable window above the first floor. And especially, in Vegas where you'd have snake-bitten gamblers jumping out of them left and right, after they p*ssed away their life savings at the blackjack table.

It is more likely, if they ARE that wide open, that those panes of glass are simply being replaced. Or those could simply be vents or solid panels.

There are no smashed out windows on the 4th floor. There was no shooter on the 4th floor. It was a reflection of a light or a strobe.
edit on 10/3/2017 by Jubilation T Cornpone because: (no reason given)

edit on 10/3/2017 by Jubilation T Cornpone because: Clarity.



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