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posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 05:19 AM
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a reply to: anonfamily

Its likely that the psychological state in which the shooter found himself when planning his assault, was one in which he felt some loss of control of his life, and sought, rather than to control his life better from that day, to control whether others lived or died.

Someone who becomes devolved to the point that this man clearly did, over a control problem in his life, is unlikely to hand over control of whether they live or die, or how they live or die, to someone else, precisely because their actions are, in their twisted minds, designed to punish the world for taking control away from him, and then as a final middle finger to the universe, to take themselves out of the world before they, themselves can be punished for their criminal behaviour.




posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 05:33 AM
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originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Watch the cab video 3 times and it is fascinating, how does the shots go from from loud short burst to farther away then back to loud.


I wondered the same while watching that, I thought it must have been because the two windows are facing two different directions, the louder shots were fired closest to the cab, while the other is masked on the other side of the building.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 05:35 AM
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Wow that cab video is something else. Weird how some of the firing sounds seem right over her head and then further away. I though echo maybe at first, but not after listening to it further... This video might be really important

ETA: unless the close sounds really were the 4th floor and the far away were from the far window further up. That would mean two shooters
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posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 05:36 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit


Someone needs to have a word with his brother as well. There is footage doing the rounds of the perpetrators brother, looking dumbfounded and saying all the right words... Something feels off though. There is something about the way his eyes move when he is speaking that sets my spidey sense off. Cannot put my finger on it precisely, but its enough to make me think "Does he know more than he is letting on?".

Absolutely.

Me thinks there is way more to his "my brother is an angel, never hit anyone, had any parking tickets, owned many guns, as far as I know". Lol

He was wealthy enough to gamble tens of thousands, compulsive gambler, owned a crap load of heavy armament. Huh what? You ask me, this smacks of mobster affiliations, underworld criminals don't exist anymore?

They have squeaky clean records because they own the local authorities, like the mob portrayed in films like Goodfellas and Casino. Vegas is corrupt, awash in money, 'Sin City'. All that wealth surely attracts power hungry corrupt politicians lawyers and judges just like Washington. The families that own casinos, the connected individuals would be as ruthless and to our minds 'murderous' as the films portrayed. Even more so.

You take a guy sort of lowly connected to a casino who is threatened with losing his gravy train 'income' from the operation, decides to go out with a bang that will ruin the casinos revenue stream for the foreseeable future.

Not unlike other instances in the past, remember the casino bombing? It was a power play between casino owners who got the biggest cut.

Watch the films Casino and Goodfellas and get that spidey sense 'other perspective'...



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 05:41 AM
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As a Vegas resident, I must say that I am so proud of this town for banding together like we did. There were so many people donating blood that news stations actually said donation centers were asking people to stop coming down and rather make appointments.

The owner of the company I work for offered all employees a paid day off if they went to donate blood, and I heard many similar stories of other companies.

The local stations didn't politicize anything (that I saw or watched) and while offering solace and mourning, kept the broadcasts more focused on positivity, unity, and comradery.

Uber in Vegas offered free rides to anyone going to donate blood, along with several individuals in the community doing the same.

As sad as this event is, I'm very proud of my city today.




posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 05:42 AM
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I heard on the news the man was a millionaire. Also something about a possible braintumor, but I would find possession more credible. The man had unresolved issues, his spirit was in darkness, maybe it is time for people to realize evil isn't age bound. I can't think of any solution which doesn't include guncontrol or severe violations of privacy.

I'd say it's a task for mental health services. People should be able to talk about their problems without being associated with insane killers or getting forcibly drugged up as prevention, the public needs more education about warning signs. Above all people need answers to lifes questions everyone can understand and respect.
If there were metal detectors or something in the hotel, next time it'll just be a drive by with a van or bus or something. This guy could have even bought or rented an apartment near busy places, but guess he didn't want to wait that long imagine the carnage if he took his time preparing, there's just no stopping evil unless some sacrifices are made.
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posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 05:44 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

I think he sued the Cosmopolitan hotel in Vegas?




I heard that this man is supposed to have had a legal dispute with the hotel, but that suggestion appears to have either been overlooked, or discounted by the investigating authority



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 05:59 AM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
here is another flash video from a cab driver pulling out. it also appears to be coming from the lower floors.
start at the :50sec mark, if you run it at 1/4 speed you can see it better.


Absolutely was shooting from very low like the driver pointed out. Below level 10 obviously. If from floor 32 too then there were multiple shooters.. I hope that was something else but it looks like it is what it is.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:02 AM
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a reply to: szino9

Ah... it was the Cosmopolitan.

Different place, different ownership... probably unrelated, unless he had some sort of misanthropic disgust toward the entire Vegas scene. Incidentally, people wondering where this fellow made his money... he is alleged to have been quite well off. Its probable that at least some of the reason for that, is that although is suit was dismissed without prejudice, the case was settled out of court for an undisclosed fee. That normally means "a large sum".

Perhaps he was sick of gambling, but could not quit and thought he would take a wild, savage swing at the entire community, by putting the fear of God into tourists? Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps... its all we have at this stage. I suppose that should not be a surprise, because we are less than a week into the investigation at this point. Its very early, especially when we consider the total scale of all the combined crime scenes. There is going to be an awful lot of evidence to process, so its little wonder that we are hearing little about motive at this stage.
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posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:06 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Or he was incited by the non-stop demonetization of Trump and his supporters. Much like 60 something Bernie supporter who ambushed a group of Republicans. This guy thought he could attack the 2nd amendment and kill a bunch of Trump supporters in the process.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:07 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

If that is the case, why are only two windows broken, both of which are situated on the thirty second floor, where Paddock and his gun nest were?

Surely if there were a second shooter in the hotel, they would have to have shot out, or hammered out the same glass that Paddock did on the 32nd?



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:07 AM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Krakatoa

In just that one particular window? In time with the gunshots? And what stage lighting flashes like a strobe for that length of time? You'd have folk having seizures! lol plus there were no flashing stage lights in any of the videos I've seen at the time of the shooting


The sound echoes reflecting off that glass, in time with the shots fired, could make a solid light source seem to flash in time with the gunshots. The windows are mirrored windows, and would act as such from vibrations.



But such a narrow place to have those. I think if it was reflections than it wouldn't be isolated in all likelihood.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:14 AM
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a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

It is probably unwise to politicise this assault in any fashion, certainly until we have some actual indicators for motive.

That being said, if his intention was anything like what you suggest, you would have thought he would have picked a different crowd to shoot into. Although there are, in most music fandoms, people from every and all walks of life, it seems counter intuitive to pick a country music festival as a target, since the odds are good that he killed some people who voted Trump.

Vegas hosts shows by all sorts of performers, from various musical and political backgrounds. He would have had the pick of them to chose from, many of which would have made more sense, assuming his motivation was as you suggest.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:16 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
'Assault weapons'.

Like the m16 have them things call flash suppressors, and there is also that thing called barrel rise from recoil.

Fast rate of fire doesn't equal aimed rate of fire.

Reason being bursts of light gives away your position to the enemy.

Sooooo.


Suppression we have is not good enough. I bet a silencer would have helped suppress but they probably don't do well on rapid fire weapons. A super hot fire comes from the explosion and it can only be minimized. Look closely and those weren't very bright flashes at all. Having fired something till it was hot I can say, that many rounds had to be multiple weapons used or it glows red after so many back to back shots.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:27 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

Here is the same light seen from a different angle. If you look at the -0:30 mark you'll see that the light continues to blink/flash even though the gunfire stop making it unlikely to a supposed second shooter.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:45 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99
As a Vegas resident, I must say that I am so proud of this town for banding together like we did. There were so many people donating blood that news stations actually said donation centers were asking people to stop coming down and rather make appointments.

The owner of the company I work for offered all employees a paid day off if they went to donate blood, and I heard many similar stories of other companies.

The local stations didn't politicize anything (that I saw or watched) and while offering solace and mourning, kept the broadcasts more focused on positivity, unity, and comradery.

Uber in Vegas offered free rides to anyone going to donate blood, along with several individuals in the community doing the same.

As sad as this event is, I'm very proud of my city today.



Ive started when events like this happen watch it unfold on the local stations, they are so much more detailed and better at following the events.

Las Vegas did do very well really from the police chief on down just very together and with it.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:49 AM
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I have a simple question I have been curious about through the night. Through the day yesterday on ABC at least, they showed a guy talking about how a friend of his got hit in the chest three times. Turns out they were able to save the guy, but wouldn't three shots from that caliber in the chest most likely kill you? Just seemed odd to me.

ETA: this is after they bounced him around quite a bit moving him to safety and over the fence etc..
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posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Here is a video of an M16 in full auto mode. Notice the soldier is shooting in bursts, even though he has weapon in fully auto mode. The most he is shooting is 3-4 shots. the M16 also has a burst mode which shoots 3 bullets at a time. But you can hear this soldier shoot at least 2-3 times with 4 bullets.



That was the training, shoot three round bursts on your own. The M16 will 'rock and roll', is what the DI yelled in my face.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:51 AM
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onehuman :

Wow that cab video is something else.


The sounds that make it seem like there are two or more shooters are nothing more than rebound echoes of the original firing. There was only one shooter!

Justoneman:

Absolutely was shooting from very low like the driver pointed out.


The flashing light is some form of light on a panel inside the room. Poster Gaspode's linked video does indeed show the light continuing after the firing has stopped. There was only one shooter!



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:51 AM
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Please note that TruBrit has a thesaurus and wields it wildly. Do you hate Chad? Also proud virgin, also proud anti gun.

Might be a communist, I don't know. Scared of women, it's sad. Virgin seeking lifelong virgin partner to braid hair.
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