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Globalism Equals Nationalism Equals Globalism

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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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GLOBALISM = NATIONALISM = GLOBALISM

It's hard to browse political debate for an hour and not see hints of this sentiment that nationalism = evil, derived from this idea that globalism = good yummy stuff and is nothing like nationalism, and vice versa.

NEWS FLASH: They're both but examples of a persons "World Identity".

You could have a "Cosmicism" (space colonialist world identity), in fact if we manage to survive the century there probably will be one. This would evolve into a inter-planetary sort of worldview, where eventually there would be the equivalent of todays nationalists opposed to the 'Anti-Earther' radicals.

Thinking back, there were once Pirates. An interesting realm, each ship was effectively a micronation, that was a democracy. Well on those grounds alone they 'had to go'. Couldn't have them being beacons of liberty to the colonialists (at the time a new sort of world identity away from their imperial mother ship nations). And today there are strict international maritime laws of it being tantamount to being a terrorist if you float a boat with no mother ship nation flag on it.

Note this is a survey in mass scale tribalist identities (where tribal group urges are subconsciously driving all of it especially if we opt to completely unacknowledge it).

So back to reality, we now have these "Globalists" who have pointed out there have been movements / party's that have weaponized their peoples tribalist urges with particular emphasis on their nationalist tribalist urge.

The basic idea of the technique is the Other Nation are the evil doer's, and We're the good guys, so then they're given a name like jew rats or gooks, are effectively dehumanized as an out group, and then they're often annihilated.

Note that this doesn't have to be about nation, or the race. This tribalist urge I keep getting at, its so deep wired into us we dont even question it, even though or subconscious is constantly pushing us towards it.

The perfect example is sports hooliganism, which by the way isn't only limited to "soccer" not even just in Europe. Here people faction them selves up based on sports teams and have full scale riots over them. It was so well fermented decades ago that it doesn't appear to matter whom won the game the whole 'full spectator contact sport' its been made into.



And then we have Jane Elliot's Blue Eye / Brown Eye seminars:


In Blue Eyed, masochistic adults accept Elliott’s two-and-a-half-hour exercise in sadism (reduced to 90 minutes of film), designed to make white people understand what it is to be "a person of color" in America. To achieve this, she divides her group into stupid, lazy, shiftless, incompetent, and psychologically brutalized "blue eyes," on the one hand, and clever and empowered "brown eyes," on the other. Some of the sadism is central to the "game," but much is gratuitous, and it continues after the exercise has ended.

People call the exercise cruel, Elliott explains, but "I’m only doing this for one day to little white children. Society does this to children of color every day."
www.frontpagemag.com...


Recently I had someone use her work as an example that I'm wrong about this sort of thing, but what I see is the perfect example of what I'm talking about. Simply dividing them based on eye color, within a days work she has the brown eyed kids beginning to take on the role of group based pecking order arbitrators.



I guess its because of the eye COLOR and it being genetically inherited that it just makes it ew too sweet to keep all of the attention about her findings based on race. One piece I read even had her as asserting its because they're white that the trick works. But my point is they could have been divided up based on the best pop singer and gotten the same results. And all of this in small children whom at about that age basically lack a true mass group identity anything within comparison to how adults often end up with several.

People will mistreat or even kill because of race, religion, tribe (like actual primitive tribes), class, sports team, nation or even thats right "globe" AND you get the idea.

Over a long enough time line, in a corporate dystopia, there would be people warring in the streets over corporate allegiances. Maybe it's even already happened!

The point is setup any big group identity that appeals to people, give them a polar opposite to bicker with, and over a long enough timeline they'll turn 'fascist'. And its because the groups are made of homo sapiens where as long as we keep ignoring this reality and its implications within OURSELVES then that's always how its going to be. And the people whom rule the world, they know it. So all the people that play it their way until you cease you are their minions. It doesnt even matter what side of what issue you're on. Their game is Distract, Divide & Rule, to keep us out of their way or too busy arguing each other to look at them.

And they've convinced everybody that nationalism is evil, globalism is good and no way could it be weaponized just like nationalism, all in their game to crush the nations and set up corporate domination of the planet, where over a long enough time line they'll have us brawling in the streets over preferred corporations. The worst part is, they'll all be shareholders in all the corporations they'd have us fighting over... just like they do today with their "two" bogus pop political party's, media parrots and politician puppets.

In the end nationalism and globalism are the same level of mass tribalist identity, and can whip people into the same dark fervor's as can happen with even lessor identities (especially if everyone refuses to get straight with this urge to overcome it).
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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:34 PM
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I'm one of those people who sees both as a bad thing.



Over a long enough time line, in a corporate dystopia, there would be people warring in the streets over corporate allegiances. Maybe it's even already happened!


Democrats vs. Republicans, corporations fund both parties to divide us. It's definitely already happened and is happening as we speak.
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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:35 PM
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I think the ground prep work is carried out through our type of educational system . From India's cast system we get the Prussian form we have today . Time to have just a free liberal education for all... People with the desires will develop the talents to do the jobs they would love to do and it would have or could have nothing to do with the $$ involved .



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Well I was more speaking to some scenario where it was like Nike people and Reebok people out rumbling in the street over which shoes are better (ahem proper corporate tribe ideologies), while setting up a political punchline for the end.




posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I don't think that will ever happen, the two-party system is working so well for them already.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

But but they can have the two party system and have nike people rumbling with reebok people in the street. Their fans are already little cultists wearing those shirts they actually pay $50 for a tshirt with just a swoosh on it, they pay too much money for a shirt just to be able to advertise for the manufacturer, everywhere they go. The groundwork is laid for proper corporate sucker ideologies if they already have evangelists forking over their savings so they can spread the gospel.


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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Not to worry, any perception problems will be solved when everyone is a national of a 'nation without a state' and governed by a one world government.

We'll all be nationalist-globalists.

I do believe that is what's in store for us...and soon.

All the globalists have to do is create a situation where there are masses of refugees fleeing the U.S. and key places in the Middle East and Asia.

That should force the borders around the world to open and displace nationals (& citizens) from their states.

They would also need to create a global-sized dependency on government for humanitarian aid.


I wonder how they could set us up for that? *snort*


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ETA: "I am a citizen of the world." --Barack Obama, 2008

(He's also a U.S., British, and Kenyan national and a member of the Luo tribe, too.)
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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Right. Globalist Supremacy dominates the world. Sounds like neo-colonialism to me. But as long as we can still choose between knockoff nike and knockoff reebok's, right?

That's right folks, SUPREMACY isnt just limited to RACE. Supremacy is but a tribalist notion of group dominance. That one nation should dominate others is supremacist jingoism. That globalism should dominate all nations is supremacist jingoism.
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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I don't understand why this always comes down to supremacy and group dominance? Is the argument intentionally and wrongfully termed that way to get automatic reactions based on virtue?

What is so wrong about wanting to be with and associate with like minded people?



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:06 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Right. Globalist Supremacy dominates the world. Sounds like neo-colonialism to me. But as long as we can still choose between knockoff nike and knockoff reebok's, right?

That's right folks, SUPREMACY isnt just limited to RACE. Supremacy is but a tribalist notion of group dominance. That one nation should dominate others is supremacist jingoism. That globalism should dominate all nations is supremacist jingoism.



I don't think there is any thwarting the globalist coup. Any appearance of attempting to thwart it is pure theater. Case in point, Tillerson saying the U.S. is in talks with North Korea and then Trump following up with a tweet on what a big waste of time that is.

People in the U.S. are, in general, too unfamiliar with the concept of belonging to a 'stateless nation.' Yet, they exist in large numbers.

I hope I am wrong...but I think we are very close to the completion of that coup. The only ones that could stop it are the sheeple, and they aren't ever going to wake up to it...not even after it's all over. They'll still say, "Well, if Bill Clinton hadn't done this...", "If GWB hadn't done that...," "If Obama hadn't been so weak...," "Oh, but Trump tried to be tough..."

I'm going to be a U.S./Canadian dual-national and a citizen of the World...whoopie.

IF I survive the globalist coup, that is.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky

I swear this topics seem to be like the boogeyman around here. Not RACISM (oh thats the hottest thing since internet porn) but the layer beneath it, and the other potential monsters that lurk there (down where our pathology's reside).

Tribalism is actually the foundation of all civilization. Its important we should note that.

But that very same force is also the route to manifestations such as "the most evil one" racial supremacy. But when you look at the bigger picture this tribal supremacy stuff its all around us, corporatized sports team fanaticism being a choice example.

We all bleed red, just like we all think with the same computer once us vs them takes hold of our minds. As indivudals we can be anyone we want, but when the group think takes hold we all act the same given to such a degree that in the right settings different groups can readily be guided to repeating the same exact patterns as even their staunchest rivals.

The potential difference is, while we cant change our blood color, with the right kind of thinking we can minimize the ability for our masters to mass manipulate us by using our nature against us while if we're not careful They would have us try to change the color of our blood.
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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:13 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Tribalism is actually the foundation of all civilization. Its important we should note that.



Yes.

It is so important that U.S. citizenship laws defer to it. You don't even automatically become a U.S. citizen under our laws if you are a member of an aboriginal tribe (lowercase 'a') and U.S. citizenship might deprive you of property.



8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

...

8 U.S. Code § 1401



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

That kind of makes sense and is noble way of arguing the case.

But what if the eradication of our power to freely associate actually causes more issues and human misery down the road?

For me the question always comes back to 'who will lead this new empire'? Once they gain power, there will be no turning back.

The only way to start over from there, if the model turns out to be faulty, is a mad max scenario.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Interesting, although I was speaking towards our primal urge to be connected. Our need to be in a village, town, city, nation state. Our need to fit in, be part of groups, to be accepted by others. How as babies a lack of pyhsical contact and nurture (love) stunts our growth. How hermits are shunned as crazies, and in prison isolation in "the shoe" (from the worst people in society) is wielded as torture. How on the one hand this urge is the basis of who we are, it is 'the world', and on the other its the vehicle by which to weaponize us into blowing it up. Just like with our technology, it how we might use it that is evil (and how evil the people that rule us and the technology are).

And Nike knows it.


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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky

The problem there is people wanting to be led; to follow. That's another one of those monster boogiemen inside us that lurk down in the primal layer.

But you bring up a valid point which is why I advocate smaller nations and societal decentralization. Tyrants can only hurt smaller regions. Let them be the pariah.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Got it. My apologies. Due to my low level of reading comprehension I had thought you were arguing for globalization and the removal of individual nations/states.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I understood and agree.

I just wanted to add that because I suspect there is a very important reason that exemption exists in U.S. citizenship laws.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

I have a feeling Obama could say just about anything and you guys would be against it. Donate to charity? Nipple, not if Obama says it.

I'm a citizen of the world and so is everyone else. How do we expect to come together as a race of we wilfully put barriers between ourselves. And no, that's not a call for open borders, it's a call to see humanity as a whole as one.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

When presented with a crisis...if the government can *help* people will turn to it. IF the governrment can make people dependent on it, it will to ensure its future.

That is what's exploited.

People do like to be led...until they don't like the leaders. Exploiting crises by bringing people to their knees is the way around that.



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