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Could there be a second Sphinx buried in Giza? Female Sphinx Buried?

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posted on Oct, 2 2017 @ 10:41 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

Wow. Truly bad research from people who call themselves historians.

Egyptians didn't go in for dualities... and furthermore, most sphinxes are shown solo and not in pairs. And then there are the ones that exist in copies of up to 100.




posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:41 AM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

The capstone's have been missing for a very long time, there are many rumors but likely the Egyptian's themselves took them if they were of any kind of precious material, most likely though they were just stone and taken and replaced (in any refurbishment's of the site) when the Arab's stripped the casing stone's to build there mosques and palaces in Cairo.

So it would be extremely unlikely for them to be hidden away and still intact today.

The truth is no one really know's, I for one do not believe the great pyramid at Giza was ever intended as a tomb though and there were plans during a celebration to put a fake 30 foot tall cap on top the great pyramid for a single night but despite it having been designed so that this light weight fake cap would not harm the ancient structure perhaps wisely the Egyptian's decided not to do so, or perhaps they were just afraid and superstitious, ancient prophecy's now forgotten and many other reason's.

Most pyramid's were however built as tomb's and as temples, they all served a ceremonial function of some kind.

Russia has always had a different slant on science to the western mainstream, this often gave them the edge in alternate field's of study and pyramid power is no different.
www.pyramids.ru...
www.atlasobscura.com...
Maybe it is just the placebo effect but then again, do placebos work on non human life.

Or could some so called Pyramid power actually simply be natural fields in the earth at specific locations that somehow our organism benefit's from, it is not impossible given how we are not just organic but biochemical-electrical in nature.
This video for example shows some definite believers in pyramid power but they chose a place were ancient ritual's not related to pyramid's had already been used since the site itself may be the source of this, or once again placebo effect the human mind is incredibly powerful over our state of health.



To assume even if there was some energy that the great pyramid was built by a people sophisticated enough to know about and even use such energy that we do not know about ourselves today however would be something that would need something to back it up, oh I don't know maybe stone structures embedded in the matrix of the pyramid that were engineered to ridiculously high tolerances, beyond perhaps even what we are capable of today CHECK, that these structures would be aligned directly to the planet's magnetic fields somehow ?, that they would be located at specific site's or along specific line's relating to some energy field of a type we may not even have discovered yet - who said there was only the electromagnetic spectrum of that we even understood it all ?.

Course there are those whom want to claim TOMB, Just Coincidence and a bunch of people in the early bronze age new enough to align it all perfectly and could hollow out diorite vases etc.

The more you look the more the idea of whom is the lunatic shifts from the center in the unexpected direction.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

If there was supposed to be duality with the sphinx. I would say the one facing the sunset would be a Jackal (Anubis). Dogs represent the underworld in many ancient cultures. The sun dies in the west and appears to go into the underworld. The sphinx facing the sunrise would be a bull. The bull with horns and a sun disk on top of its head. This could be the Apis bull with the sacred disk of Hathor.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 10:58 AM
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Talk all you like. Someone stopping us from gaining the knowledge of what actually went on in prehistoric times.

A open esample is dwarka (google it) a fisherman found a large scale city mile under water. archaeologists jumped in and recovering artifacts 15 to 25 thousands of years old. This was all happened in 8 days.

9th day Indian government put total ban all activities on thst 85 square mile area.

12 years on still there is war ships and cargo ships. But not a single bit of information out.

Everyone talk for while. Made few you tube videos. Wrote books and forget about it.


Wtf.. i mean wtf indeed.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: Pandaram
Talk all you like. Someone stopping us from gaining the knowledge of what actually went on in prehistoric times.

Okay, but who? (Or whom?) It's not as if all archeologists work for the same country or university or company. And it's also not as if there aren't plenty of archeologists out there who would like to be famous and make tenure for life for discovering some previously unknown technologically advanced civilization that changes the entire way we view human prehistory.

The Smithsonian? They don't own the world.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

There have been many archaeologists with alternate views, many discovery's that do not make sense and many odd find's all over the world but it is not about so much being covered up though I have absolutely no doubt that does happen but it is a matter of consensus, in those field's consensus and opinion rule OVER discovery's more often than not, many good and honest professional's have even had there reputations destroyed by the established authority's even when those established authority's have obviously been in the wrong.

There is an old saying often attributed to Winston Churchill though it is actually far older than him, the Victor WRITE's the History.

Read that again History is not Fact it is what the Victor wrote it to be, Fact is subjective therefore and the truth is a victim of this tug of war between history with it's Established fact's and the Real History that really occurred.

Well paid academic's and university bursary's have only gained from there adherence to the status quo of there profession, very few rogue's have ever overturned this status quo and even fewer in there own life time's.

Despite claim's made by some whom argue otherwise.

Look up Virginia Steen McIntyre.
pleistocenecoalition.com...
www.mcremo.com...

While not pyramid's or even evidence of civilization the artifacts found at the site and dated to so very long ago show more intricate tool making, intelligence and evidence of a therefore more intelligent race of being's than were supposed to exist there or anywhere in the America's until the arrival of Clovis Man and this was a serious unbridgeable problem for the established authority's in the related field's which also showed that those so called expert's were in fact a bunch of jobsworth crank's more intent on making the pieces of the jigsaw fit the way they wanted them to fit than the way they were actually originally fitted so there mosaic of how it was is not actually how it was it is instead a disparate and inaccurate mosaic they proffer as a fact.

There are claim's that site has been debunked BUT those debunking's are actually not correct also.

So you see the pyramid's are actually only a tiny portion of the entire problem and in some way's what we are seeing is the birth of a priesthood whom regard anyone that does not comply with there religion as a heretic and respond accordingly destroying there reputation's.

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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: Pandaram
Talk all you like. Someone stopping us from gaining the knowledge of what actually went on in prehistoric times.

A open esample is dwarka (google it) a fisherman found a large scale city mile under water. archaeologists jumped in and recovering artifacts 15 to 25 thousands of years old. This was all happened in 8 days.

No, it didn't.

The fact that you personally know very little on the subject is not a license for you to engage in complete and utter fabrication of pseudofacts.



originally posted by: Pandaram
9th day Indian government put total ban all activities on thst 85 square mile area.

See, the things you say above, being demonstrably false, betray the seemingly bottomless chasm of ignorance you possess regarding this subject.

WTF?
I mean, WTF indeed.

Harte
edit on 10/4/2017 by Harte because: of the wonderful things he does!



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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Why are some so threatened by this?.


Maybe it is Dwarka or maybe not but it is definitely real, in fact both of them are, two city's the size of Manhatten?.

Deny it all you want but it is real and denying it just look's like an ostrich with it's head in the sand to the rest of us.

edit on 4-10-2017 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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It's about time Egyptians start selling sand so then we can really see what's beneath
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posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: LondonMan
It's about time Egyptians start selling sand so then we can really see what's beneath

One of these days somebody will come up with a good super duper X-ray radar device that will allow us to see fairly deep into the ground from space. If somebody doesn't have a spy satellite that does that already.

Anyway, the really cool stuff is hidden in the Western Sahara.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 07:53 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767




Why are some so threatened by this?.


Maybe it is Dwarka or maybe not but it is definitely real, in fact both of them are, two city's the size of Manhatten?.

Deny it all you want but it is real and denying it just look's like an ostrich with it's head in the sand to the rest of us.

Nobody is denying anything, except the ignorant people posting that this has been covered up and "Indian government put total ban all activities on thst 85 square mile area," when anyone posting here can easily check on the archaeology that's taking place on the site at this very moment.

All you have to do is peruse Google Scholar to see that there have been several papers published about the site and the ongoing investigation there.
But God knows that's too much trouble, and could even result in the disproving of a claim held so dear - that "they" are covering up our ancient past.

FYI, Graham Hancock in your video is simply lying. The site was never dated "on a hunch" to 1500 BC. The site has been conclusively dated to the medieval period, through several different artifacts - including construction techniques with known dates of origin.

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths the mouth breathing chronically astonished crowd will go to in order to prop up their pet conspiracy theory - the "THEY" are hiding it from us theory - when the fact is such people are simply either too lazy to find out anything for themselves, or too intellectually inadequate to understand what they are reading if they do try.

Harte



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 06:21 AM
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Fair enough Harte but you came across rather scathing and also have disagreed about the site in the past with myself, these are ruined city's and so is that one off Cuba which is supposedly too deep but I do not buy that as the whole region is rather more geologically unstable than many would like to admit, in fact there is no need for that site for example to be any where near 50.000 or so years old and it could be as little as 4 or 5 k, perhaps even younger though my gut instinct tells me that it is older.

As for THEY, I seriously would not put anything past THEY the blighters are guilty of all kind of miscreant activity's and have hidden my house keys more than once.

Joking aside the THEY you mention in such a disparaging way is simply a method of giving form to otherwise formless entity's generally associated with out of our control and knowledge activity's by group's we do not understand.

Also Harte remember India is still colliding with the Asian plate, the Himalaya mountains are still being upthrust (just like the Andes but far more rapidly), Continent's CAN tilt, even over such a seemingly huge distance and the upthrust and riding of the Lighter Indian plate over the larger Asian plate is definitely providing impetus that such a tilting action.

There are story's of other sunken city's off India and often there remains have been seen by people when tsunami's have struck in the small time before the wave hit's the shore as the sea has withdrawn the way it does when a mega wave suck's it up before lashing back at the shore such as mysterious temple complex of Ceylon/Sri Lanka and other probably ruin's seen in the extreme distance as the sea bed was revealed and many other such account's, the whole Indian continent is actually geologically active and as it's north rides over the thicker asian plate the south is tilted down into the sea.

The same exact thing is happening in south america but the south american plate is riding over ancient pacific plate (possible even the remains of a proto or failed continent in the pacific, there were many in the earth's geological history and if the remains of any can be found the pacific is the place to look), this is why there is actually a crumple zone in south america while there is non in for example Arabia - because the particular plate under that particular part of the pacific that south america is pushing over forming the Andes crumple zone in this collision may once very long ago have hosted such a proto continent hence it is so much thicker than other oceanic plate's, who know's it may have even had sizable island's before the downward force of the over riding south american plate submerged them and if so likely isolated life similar to that native to New Zealand may have flourished there in isolation.

If only we had a time machine eh.

Then again quantum resonance (Echoes of past event's) may provide future science with way to actually see the past.


One more point, how is that medieval, that kind of inundation would have left historical record's not only in India but in Arabia and elsewhere including China whom would have traded with such a city so I very much doubt the Validity of that dating of those artifact's you are referencing and once again smell a cover up or whitewashing.

There is no way in hell that is medieval Harte.

Are you seriously telling me they have performed GENUINE extensive excavation's of the site and then come up with a date based on how a few stone's are lain, come on Harte your not that blind are you.

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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 11:46 AM
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Why would there be 2. The Sphinx is 2.

Its a map of space. The Sphinx is well known. Not a mystery: the node at the center of converging spring-fall (good) and solstice (evil) waves. Quite literally the 4 seasons. Why would their be another center on the map.. It would fall a specific distance away, therefore in another city.

Why do people pretend to not understand? Everyone knows what the Sphinx represents. Man-lion/spring-fall is the cycle of life. Solstice is the cycle of death.

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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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There is actually the argument that the Sphinx does have a partner and that is the actual constellation LEO which would have aligned perfectly with it at the same exact date that the three star's of Orion's belt would have perfectly aligned with the apex of the three pyramid's and that is of course 12600 years ago.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 05:35 AM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Harte


One more point, how is that medieval, that kind of inundation would have left historical record's not only in India but in Arabia and elsewhere including China whom would have traded with such a city so I very much doubt the Validity of that dating of those artifact's you are referencing and once again smell a cover up or whitewashing.

There is no way in hell that is medieval Harte.

Are you seriously telling me they have performed GENUINE extensive excavation's of the site and then come up with a date based on how a few stone's are lain, come on Harte your not that blind are you.

Yes, land sinks. But the claim has been made that the site was inundated at the end of the last Ice Age - total BS.
Regarding the construction, IIRC it had something to do with the type of building, not the way stones were stacked.

You could find this out yourself, you know.

Regarding historical records, what do you think the myth is? Not a record?

Harte



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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Once again Harte you are showing unbridled bias against the site which you DID deny was even a city in the past.

YOU WANT it to be revised upward in date so that it shoehorn's into your neat compartmentalized view of history, you are a very well informed guy but how much of that information come's from fellow's just like yourself.

And how much of that is actually fact rather than opinion.

The fact is that a religious group and tradition said there was a sunken city, it was poo pooed constantly by mainstream archaeology and it's Devotee's and then suddenly like so many other find's it actually turned out to be based on fact.

First of all your professional view of history is TAINTED by western dogmatic approach based on an old nineteenth century bias that favored a young world view, though now supposedly gone form your profession it actually still lingers and is very tenacious at it due to so very much of your profession's time line view of history still being based on those nineteenth century view's as well as Victorian era racial prejudice.

You know in fact don't you that the eastern view of history is totally different and NO LESS accurate than your own.

Or do you think that the Indian's and the Chinese whom were keeping written record's when our ancestor's were still building there homes with wattle and pig poo daub while Angkor Wat was in it's splendor were superior, Rome and Byzantium never even reached that level of magnificence.

Yet Angkor Wat would not be known to history today because it was abandoned AND like our civilization may one day be ir was forgotten.

Or DO YOU forget the true meaning of your profession, not to push OPINION and BIAS but to safeguard the fact's.

You do know that the fact's don't always fit especially what you want them too fit.

In fact I have only the highest regard for your profession - YOU are supposed to be the safeguard's and guardian's of history NOT it's writers, you are supposed to hold to the truth and to keep it safe for future ages in case all we learn and all we know is lost like these previous ages of man.

But you are simply too opinionated for that role Harte.

Remember the Scholars of China whom Qin Shi Huang killed because they refused to lie about history, he may be recorded as China's greatest emperor but in all likelihood looking at those huge Chinese pyramid tomb's (and remember the Jewel-led pyramid of China whose capstone was probably taken during the cultural revolution) we know very little about China's lost past or the many perhaps even greater emperor's that may have come before him.

Being a historian is a sacred duty, man have died to safeguard it and YES many of them were wrong in what they believed but they had truth as they saw it not opinion quashing or seeking to quash all dissenters.

What do you think we would know today Harte had the library of Alexandria or those Chinese Scholars or the many secret library's sacked by the NAZI's in there search for what they believed to have been very real occult (Hidden) ancient technology's and sciences.

You know let's not mention buried structures in coal mine's eh Harte because you are very much a party player, you do not look at those and wonder, yes we can not go to see them but I am convinced they were real and that Rockwall in Texas is a real ancient (Extremely Ancient) walled site and it is NOT a natural formation.

But HEY Harte you always have to win the argument even when you are totally wrong.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 08:36 AM
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You've managed to thoroughly confuse me there Labtech. Angkor Wat was built by King Suryavarman 11 (1113-1150 AD). Rome and Byzantium had that level and more over a thousand years earlier.

As to medieval times, yes peasants (majority of the populations of Europe) may have lived in poor housing but they still managed to build cathedrals in those periods - or castles. Both of which types of building are still standing strong.

I'm not really sure why you are going after Harte either. Harte provided you with information on where to look for research into those topics - which is, after all, the whole purpose of ATS?



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Harte

Once again Harte you are showing unbridled bias against the site which you DID deny was even a city in the past.
Please provide a quote of me stating that Dwarka wasn't even a city in the past. Or stop lying.


originally posted by: LABTECH767 YOU WANT it to be revised upward in date so that it shoehorn's into your neat compartmentalized view of history, you are a very well informed guy but how much of that information come's from fellow's just like yourself.

I "want" no such thing. I'm am simply relaying the facts.
That you were unaware of the facts is not my problem.


originally posted by: LABTECH767 And how much of that is actually fact rather than opinion.

Because nobody today was alive at that time, it's ALL opinion. But in this case, the opinion is based on evidence found at the very site under discussion, not on what Graham Hancock hopes to sell to the chronically astonished.


originally posted by: LABTECH767 The fact is that a religious group and tradition said there was a sunken city, it was poo pooed constantly by mainstream archaeology and it's Devotee's and then suddenly like so many other find's it actually turned out to be based on fact.

And? Who was it that discovered that the sunken part of the city actually exists?


originally posted by: LABTECH767First of all your professional view of history is TAINTED by western dogmatic approach based on an old nineteenth century bias that favored a young world view, though now supposedly gone form your profession it actually still lingers and is very tenacious at it due to so very much of your profession's time line view of history still being based on those nineteenth century view's as well as Victorian era racial prejudice.

I don't have a "professional view" of history, since I am not a professional historian.
I do, however, know how to read very well, and I read a lot about things I'm interested in. When I read a claim, I investigate it as best I can, rather than dig up videos from some crockumentary made by individuals with a financial motive for making unevidenced claims.


originally posted by: LABTECH767You know in fact don't you that the eastern view of history is totally different and NO LESS accurate than your own.

I know now that you have claimed this - again without any evidence presented.


originally posted by: LABTECH767 Or do you think that the Indian's and the Chinese whom were keeping written record's when our ancestor's were still building there homes with wattle and pig poo daub while Angkor Wat was in it's splendor were superior, Rome and Byzantium never even reached that level of magnificence.

What I know now is that you know very little about Angkor Wat, and even less about how people in Cambodia were living at the time of its construction in the 12th Century CE.


originally posted by: LABTECH767Yet Angkor Wat would not be known to history today because it was abandoned AND like our civilization may one day be ir was forgotten.

Yet Angkor Wat IS known, isn't it?


originally posted by: LABTECH767Or DO YOU forget the true meaning of your profession, not to push OPINION and BIAS but to safeguard the fact's.

It seems that you have made some false assumptions about me. I teach Mathematics and Physics in an inner-city high school.


originally posted by: LABTECH767You do know that the fact's don't always fit especially what you want them too fit.

Of course I do. But you appear not to.


originally posted by: LABTECH767 In fact I have only the highest regard for your profession - YOU are supposed to be the safeguard's and guardian's of history NOT it's writers, you are supposed to hold to the truth and to keep it safe for future ages in case all we learn and all we know is lost like these previous ages of man.

Good. Teachers should get more respect.


originally posted by: LABTECH767 But you are simply too opinionated for that role Harte.

I'm not the one relying on con men to make my point.


originally posted by: LABTECH767 Remember the Scholars of China whom Qin Shi Huang killed because they refused to lie about history, he may be recorded as China's greatest emperor but in all likelihood looking at those huge Chinese pyramid tomb's (and remember the Jewel-led pyramid of China whose capstone was probably taken during the cultural revolution) we know very little about China's lost past or the many perhaps even greater emperor's that may have come before him.

Pyramids in China are earth mounds, primarily.


originally posted by: LABTECH767 Being a historian is a sacred duty, man have died to safeguard it and YES many of them were wrong in what they believed but they had truth as they saw it not opinion quashing or seeking to quash all dissenters.

That profession is literally FULL of dissenters. That you are unaware of this tells us a lot about you.


originally posted by: LABTECH767 What do you think we would know today Harte had the library of Alexandria or those Chinese Scholars or the many secret library's sacked by the NAZI's in there search for what they believed to have been very real occult (Hidden) ancient technology's and sciences.

Couldn't say about the Chinese scholars, but I can tell you that there was very little, if anything, destroyed at Alexandria that didn't exist elsewhere as copies. But, obviously, some of those copies have also been lost.


originally posted by: LABTECH767 You know let's not mention buried structures in coal mine's eh Harte because you are very much a party player, you do not look at those and wonder, yes we can not go to see them but I am convinced they were real and that Rockwall in Texas is a real ancient (Extremely Ancient) walled site and it is NOT a natural formation.

Talk about opinionated. A moments investigation can prove to you that formations like that at Rockwall TX are completely natural and have been found in many other places.
Regarding things from coal mines, not a single artifact has ever been documented that was actually EMBEDDED in coal. The claim has been made, yes. But no evidence for such a claim has ever been presented.


originally posted by: LABTECH767
But HEY Harte you always have to win the argument even when you are totally wrong.


I merely provide this forum with the facts. Whether you care to accept them is not my problem, nor is it something I care much about.

Harte



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: Harte
Couldn't say about the Chinese scholars, but I can tell you that there was very little, if anything, destroyed at Alexandria that didn't exist elsewhere as copies. But, obviously, some of those copies have also been lost.

Quite so. I saw an interesting documentary a couple years ago about Saharan people -- particularly those around Timbuktu -- squirreling away some very rare documents by simply burying them in holes out in the desert. Maybe not the best way to preserve them, but there are worse places to put them than in the middle of a dry desert.

I suspect that with Alexandria, most of the really important manuscripts were removed and hidden before the Library was destroyed those many times. We just haven't gotten around to finding them all yet. Sometimes people died or forgot where they were buried.



posted on Oct, 6 2017 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Harte
Couldn't say about the Chinese scholars, but I can tell you that there was very little, if anything, destroyed at Alexandria that didn't exist elsewhere as copies. But, obviously, some of those copies have also been lost.

Quite so. I saw an interesting documentary a couple years ago about Saharan people -- particularly those around Timbuktu -- squirreling away some very rare documents by simply burying them in holes out in the desert. Maybe not the best way to preserve them, but there are worse places to put them than in the middle of a dry desert.

I suspect that with Alexandria, most of the really important manuscripts were removed and hidden before the Library was destroyed those many times. We just haven't gotten around to finding them all yet. Sometimes people died or forgot where they were buried.

The library was built on manuscripts that were brought in by the various ships that called at the port there - a very busy port.
All manuscripts were to be taken to the library by law to be copied.
But the library returned the copies to the ships and kept the "originals."
Of course, there were a lot of scholars and researchers working at the library that wrote many manuscripts there. A great many of those were copied as well, which is why we know about Hero's inventions, for example.

Harte



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