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America Under Siege: Antifa - November 4th, It Begins

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posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:33 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: butcherguy

Well, let's see. There was the guy who ran people over and killed 1 a few months ago, there was the train attack in Portland that killed 2, there was the Planned Parenthood shooting that killed 3 in Colorado... Do I need to go on? Those are just a few examples of right-wing terrorism in America.

Am I justifying what the left-wing has done? No, absolutely not, they're just as guilty as those that I mentioned above.


Oh yeah, the guy that ran that woman over, obviously sat with a group of like minded people and plotted to do this, with the support of all the right wing activists, and said he'd do it months in advance.

Just as with the other examples you cite, they're all just reading off the right wing leaflets handed to every right winger by those who take it upon themselves to proclaim leadership, in order to bring the left wingers to their knees...

*sigh*




posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:37 PM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

An empty building.

And who got shot or who's businesses got vandalized ?



Just curious... if Antifa went in with guns and occupied a government building (empty), what sort of threads would you be furiously typing away at right now?


I'd think, just as with the Bundy case, it would depend on the reasons why they did so.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

An empty building.

And who got shot or who's businesses got vandalized ?





It was enough to get Finicum shot by the police for being violent no less, at least according to the police report.

This group is still warming up give them time.


Shot in cold blood for having his hands in the air. True, so violent.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:40 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: badw0lf







Who was shot in the Oregon standoff? No one. You brought it up, they didn't go out of their way to attack people, but they did embrace their 2'nd amendment rights.


Actually I bought that up.

So are you saying you think embracing the 2nd amendment involves taking over government buildings at gunpoint ....good to know...


Why bring it up then if it did not relate to them having their guns, if it was just taking over a government building?

How is that violent, and something you'd bring up in reference to right wing violence?

The goal posts didn't move.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:41 PM
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originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

An empty building.

And who got shot or who's businesses got vandalized ?









It was enough to get Finicum shot by the police for being violent no less, at least according to the police report.

This group is still warming up give them time.


Shot in cold blood for having his hands in the air. True, so violent.





The police report states he tried to run a trooper over and that's why he was shot .

I'm not saying I agree, but lets face it that is the story that history will tell.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: badw0lf







Who was shot in the Oregon standoff? No one. You brought it up, they didn't go out of their way to attack people, but they did embrace their 2'nd amendment rights.


Actually I bought that up.

So are you saying you think embracing the 2nd amendment involves taking over government buildings at gunpoint ....good to know...


Why bring it up then if it did not relate to them having their guns, if it was just taking over a government building?

How is that violent, and something you'd bring up in reference to right wing violence?

The goal posts didn't move.





Well go and take over an empty government building, reside there armed and illegally and tell me how that goes for you ....



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:47 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: badw0lf



Who was shot in the Oregon standoff? No one. You brought it up, they didn't go out of their way to attack people, but they did embrace their 2'nd amendment rights.


Actually I bought that up.

So are you saying you think embracing the 2nd amendment involves taking over government buildings at gunpoint ....good to know...


Why bring it up then if it did not relate to them having their guns, if it was just taking over a government building?

How is that violent, and something you'd bring up in reference to right wing violence?

The goal posts didn't move.





Well go and take over an empty government building, reside there armed and illegally and tell me how that goes for you ....


Is it the fact they took over the empty building, or that, like millions of Americans, they had guns?

Which part was violent again, was the empty building assaulted? Shot?

No violence. Just an empty comparison.

Now, I don't think there is enough room in this post to list the left wing violence just from this year alone... (bit of an exaggeration, but only a bit)

And lets face it, the Bundy case, is vastly different to groups of people congregating with the intent of disrupting the public, other rallies, and generally causing social unrest.

Take someones livelihood away, or try to, and you will get a protest.

Hurt someones feelings with a hat, and you get violent angry children.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

An empty building.

And who got shot or who's businesses got vandalized ?









It was enough to get Finicum shot by the police for being violent no less, at least according to the police report.

This group is still warming up give them time.


Shot in cold blood for having his hands in the air. True, so violent.





The police report states he tried to run a trooper over and that's why he was shot .

I'm not saying I agree, but lets face it that is the story that history will tell.



Yeah, not what I saw on the two videos I saw of the event. They shot the car up after ambushing them.

But this is not the point of this thread. Your argument that the Oregon case is an equal comparison to left wing violence, falls flat.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:51 PM
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a reply to: badw0lf


I don't write the laws and I often find myself disagreeing with them.


If you take off the rose colored glasses you may see that there are significant similarities to both the extreme left and right, they are both problematic and are both the enemy of the average joe...


Personally I want to be in the middle, I want to fight for the average joe, as far as I am concerned both parties here that we are talking about are the problem, there is no moral high ground when it comes to these extremist groups.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:59 PM
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originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

An empty building.

And who got shot or who's businesses got vandalized ?



Just curious... if Antifa went in with guns and occupied a government building (empty), what sort of threads would you be furiously typing away at right now?


I'd think, just as with the Bundy case, it would depend on the reasons why they did so.


What if Antifa were angry at BLM for not allowing them to let their dogs crap all over public lands without picking it up?



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 12:09 AM
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a reply to: badw0lf





Which part was violent again, was the empty building assaulted? Shot?


If you entered my house when it was empty and then proceeded to stay there at your own leisure with your guns in hand, I would consider it an act of violence.




No violence. Just an empty comparison.


Fair enough lets not call it violence, perhaps then for the sake of argument we could call it a hostile take over, an act of provocation.

Better ?
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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 12:16 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

Are they absolutely insane? Never mind law enforcement and military resources, the United States citizenry is heavily armed and many trained (ex LEO/armed forces). This would be a lethal mistake on their behalf, as defending the constitution and lawfully installed government is a duty of every American within the established militia age range.

Communists have no place in America. This country will *never* be a communist/socialist nation, but feel free to go live in North Korea if that's your desire. Tell me how great communism/socialism/psychopathy is after a few days there.

Typical arrogant leftist children, all bark and no bite. Sticks and stones are for children, but attempting a coup puts them on the same playing field as the big dogs. That isn't a field they want to step on to.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 12:22 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

My guess would be a new push for this group to be declared a domestic terrorist organization. Although the street level thugs (ie: low hanging fruit) are likely not a target, the organizers and major voices within the quasi-organization should be pretty terrified at this point. Judging by their actions and rhetoric, this definition isn't wrong. They advance a political goal through violence = terrorism at its very core definition.

Those influential voices within the United States could be arrested by federal authorities at any point pursuant to terrorism investigations. Co-conspirators in other nations are subject to rendition at any time or location. No warrant is required for either example.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 01:04 AM
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a reply to: intrptr
You have those endless wars to thank for your cheap gas, cheap computer, cheap and affordable produce from around the globe any day of the year, and just about every convenience we take for granted.
Life remains in conflict because energy demands to be released!



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 01:10 AM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: intrptr
You have those endless wars to thank for your cheap gas, cheap computer, cheap and affordable produce from around the globe any day of the year, and just about every convenience we take for granted.
Life remains in conflict because energy demands to be released!





Yes its called the third world war.... we are the beneficiaries, that does not mean that we should disregard having a conscience, or for that matter being aware of the how's and why's .



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 01:23 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
I believe in being fully aware which is why I like to point it out. Yea, well if we want to win we have to temporarily disable the conscience. See, I have been preaching that if we are just honest about why we fight the public would be more accommodating. Well, clearly somebody from the Global Engagement Center has been reading up in here my please, because just a few hours ago I saw this interesting commercial on youtube, which I decided not to skip and watch in its entirety. It stated why we have to back up our words with force, and the consequences when we do not. If I could only find it, popped up while I was watching some video on automated gun turrets in South Korea.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 01:24 AM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: intrptr
You have those endless wars to thank for your cheap gas, cheap computer, cheap and affordable produce from around the globe any day of the year, and just about every convenience we take for granted.
Life remains in conflict because energy demands to be released!



And I could have more of all of that if I decided to rob and murder for it. But I don't.

Nice to know those ends justify those means for you, though.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 01:48 AM
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a reply to: Abysha
But they do for everybody, not just me. After all, every single American takes these for granted every singe day, and does not bat an eye. You are absolutely content in reaping the rewards, you should understand and accept the cost if you are going to continue to enjoy them.

The tiny little electronics in your devices have parts with very specific metals in them. Without the majority of the sourcing nations being in turmoil, not only would it not be as affordable, there would be significantly less proliferation of these gadgets we hold so dear.

If it disturbs you so much, just get rid of anything you own with wireless or modern display technology. Than you can be sincere about the disturbing truth of human reality.

I am currently fully behind the empire, so I have had to toss much of my humanity and compassion to live with myself temporarily. Don't worry though, I can return to the status of dissenting hypocrite once the conclusion of WW3 draws down in the early 2020's .



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 01:50 AM
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Doesn't the PATRIOT ACT pretty much declare everyone a terrorist under a huge list of ambiguous definitions?

I guess people forget that tidbit.

Yeah....the PATRIOT ACT, remember??????

Good luck to these people, they're gunna need it.

ETA: The mere act of actually engaging in this thread/discussion defines one as a terrorist under the PATRIOT ACT.

You can delude yourself all you want.


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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Abysha
If it disturbs you so much, just get rid of anything you own with wireless or modern display technology. Than you can be sincere about the disturbing truth of human reality.



Such tired bs logic I've heard many times before. It's the whole "but you're benefiting like I am so you are just as complicit". I bet you find the term "white privilege" offensive, as well.

Your logic makes no more sense than the idea of me throwing away food will stop hunger in Africa.



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