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originally posted by: FourthDensityRanger
timing is key though, it wasn't something I could automatically do, was something that was only possible when the voyage had gotten to the right level or something...
Back to the original topic though, the thing i don't get is this....as I am starting to understand with this topic,if we are really a part of a much larger soul group, once we move from third density to fourth we operate at the collective (soul group) level, why the need for the teachings at the human/individual soul level? I apologize if i have provided nomenclature that is incorrect, I don't mean to offend, only to understand more and learn what I can in an unbiased manner...
But be aware using drugs to enter that realm will have consequences because one mind must go in without fear or knowing it might encounter something of the unknown. A bad trip atracts bad entities...
Along with knowledge goes responsibility for the right use of knowledge. Abuse of knowledge leads to the loss of knowledge and where whole nations are concerned, to their annihilation. On two occasions whole continents have had to be submerged into the depths of the sea: Lemuria and Atlantis.
After those two failures it was decided that the knowledge should be imparted in secret schools of knowledge only, and only to those who had reached such a stage of development that they could understand correctly and not misinterpret what they were taught, but apply it correctly in the service of life.
Seriously, I don't trust any system that claims to have the truth but that it must be kept secret and using Lemuria and Atlantis as the reason for this sounds hokey.
So the planetary hierarchy in all it's wisdom gave knowledge to the wrong people. Sounds as bad as TPTB in the bible.
originally posted by: kennyb72
It may sound hokey to you daskakik but that doesn't change anything.
It isn't the esoteric knowledge that must remain a secret, it is aspects of the occult which can be very dangerous.
Much of the evil that remains attached to our planet are remnants from those days, so in a way we are still suffering the consequences of the unbridled practice of black magic. They screwed everything up almost beyond repair.
If humanity follows that same path again, then you can be sure that we will meet a similar end, or more accurately a similar interruption in our progress.
A law of life is the law of freedom, the Masters, can't interfere with what we as humans choose to do, the will to power is an ongoing battle for our primitive selves, which we ALL are comparatively.
originally posted by: kennyb72
I think you would always be up for a P'ing competition daskakik because your ego has blessed nearly 40 pages or more of a similar competition.
I recommend you read the material in detail. specifically Laurency's work. 'If you can keep up', and not keep blocking your own progress with with flares of defiance, you will discover that the entire subject of esoterics is a story of love. It describes our incredible journey towards unity, after we manifest into this physical world.
We are extremely advanced in our awareness but not even a fraction of what we will become. i find it quite remarkable for someone who has experienced an OOBE to be such a skeptic regarding the after life.
Everything in nature is a hierarchy, so If you accept that our consciousness is a continuity, why would that be any different on the subtle planes? (which of course includes the astral)
The incredible intelligence, spiritual and hierarchical structure of our multilevelled cosmos MUST logically exist, given the timelessness of reality, or even just the millions of years that science can account for.
The Masters are not called masters as a title of authority over us, it refers to their accomplishment of mastering life, here, as human beings to the point they no longer need to reincarnate.
Does that really sound that 'far fetched' to you? when you study something like evolution theory and the stretch of the imagination THAT requires.
There is a term used "wilful ignorance" and you seem to fit that expression quite well. You can go through life challenging everything, but I fail to see what you will learn in the end.
Now, the thing is, with consciousness evolution, it means that some people are more aware than others because of the disparity of lives lived and lessons learned.
For some, this knowledge is re-activated and that will, for some, mean, much more can be accepted 'a priori', because you know things that nobody had to tell you. If you ever feel this depth of certainty about anything, you will understand that it is causal knowledge, your absolute truth, your screaming instinct.
On top of ALL that it gets tiresome .... have a great life daskakik maybe meet up in the astral and share a drink of nectar.
I actually plan on reading more but I have only spent about an hour looking into it and already I have spotted inconsistencies. Those will not go away not matter how much deeper I get into the matter.
That is what forces me to question things like the "mystery package" that is this thread and also what little I have seen at the Laurency site.
It gets tiresome", that is an interesting choice of words.