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posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 01:51 PM
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Most of you will know that i have a son over in Iraq right now. I have made many posts regarding the situation over there, and have received many replies.

On the whole, most people are against the war, myself included, but they do back the troops to the hilt.

I have received many U2U's asking after my son and i have received many wishing him and the rest of the troops dead. I suppose thats a fact of life when you use the INTERNET. You tend to get a lot of nationalities involved in debates. Some debates have been with actual pro Saddam people. They obviously have the hatred instilled into them against the western world from an early age. You only have to see the 8 year olds posing with Kalashnikov's in the media.

The point of this thread is to say that i have no problem with any nation, creed or color. I am not racist, and believe in live and let live. Peoples opinions matter to me, without them the world would be a far worse place to be in. We can discuss them like adults, and act accordingly.

So to end this thread here, i would like to point out to all the people that seem intent on posting foul and sometimes disturbing U2U's to me about the War and the posting of pictures, which to them seem to promote the glorification of our troops, it has to end now.

Please stop using this forum as a "face to slap". Please leave me alone and take your hatred somewhere else. After all, you people who have constantly knocked me, have lived through a far worse regime than what has been posted or portrayed on here.

Understand what you have said and what you are doing to people who have relatives serving in the Gulf. That way you might just move on in life and be a far better person for it.

Comments in the forum i can deal with. Comments via U2u when they are malicious, then i cant deal with them. They are too close to the bone for me and others to be able to shrug them off.

Sorry for this post, but i need to get this out in the open once and for all.

The next step is the naming of names to the mods, whom I'm sure would have no hesitation in banning the offenders.

I sincerely hope it will not come to this.




posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 01:58 PM
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Are you saying you're received u2u's from ATS wishing your son and the troops dead??? Would you tell us who? Maybe i misunderstood you.

If this is so, this would and should be cause to ban whoever did it. There's no excuse for saying something like that-

OR..

Do you think they imply it simply because they're against Bush and the war?



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Are you saying you're received u2u's from ATS wishing your son and the troops dead??? Would you tell us who? Maybe i misunderstood you.

If this is so, this would and should be cause to ban whoever did it. There's no excuse for saying something like that-

OR..

Do you think they imply it simply because they're against Bush and the war?



I have recieved the U2U's from certain members of ATS.

The implications are there as well as the straight forward remarks.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:03 PM
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Bikereddie I may be against the war but is not way in hell that will keep me from supporting our loves one in the Iraq.

Please if you have U2U they will show who is posting them and I agree with dgtempe, please post the names of such anti-Americans names here for everybody to see.

One thing is to be anti-bush and anti-war but wanting our loves one death is to much.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:07 PM
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Well, i wish you would u2u a mod and tell them "who" flat out wished something like that to your son. I got to tell you, if that happened to me, i wouldnt sit still for it- I'd go right to Simon on this one.

I'm sure this is not the policy of ATS- i know its not.

On behalf of the few "ignorant" people on this board, i will tell you I'm sorry that they would say something like that to you.

God bless you and your son.

ps..I am totally against this war myself, but as a mother, i feel your pain.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:08 PM
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I know who is posting them. I have kept themfor future proof as to what ihave had to put with.

The mods did sort one guy out a few weeks back, but i think he is back under another name.

Posting the names on the forum would cause too much animosity towards the people who posted the remarks via U2U.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:14 PM
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I guess you are right, we all going to have the hate filled ones around regardless if they are pro or anti war.

You are also right, the INTERNET is a place for all kind of people.

We will pray for the safe return of your son and the rest of our troops.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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Your comments are appreciated.
Glad you can understand my sentiments.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:23 PM
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Hey Biker, people are still bound to the TOS in u2u's. If there is a threat to you or somebody you know there, or even anything resembling a personal attack, you can have them banned from the site.

People assume because its a u2u they are safe, but the rules are the same.

Dont hesitate, report them now and have them banned.

Your son, as well as EVERY soldier fighting in Iraq right now, is a hero! And dont let any of these freedom hating, terrorist supporters convince you otherwise, the only thing they have is hate. Its OK to hate or dissagree with this war as many of us do, but we must back our brothers, sisters, and kids who are there fighting it.

[edit on 10-2-2005 by skippytjc]



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:28 PM
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Your comments are taken on board.

I am, at the moment, trying to make these people understand what it feels like to have a relative involved in War.

The problem i seem to have at the moment is convincing them that they are not there to kill and maim. I know this happened and is a fact of war. But these individuals are definitely anti UK/US.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:34 PM
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Biker...

Thank You for sharing this with us. I think that you should let the Admin know exactly who is sending the U2U's to you.


Next time you hear from your son, you can give him a message from me.

Simply, Thank You ! I'm sorry that he has to be there, but I appreciate his courage and what he's doing for his country.

I'll keep him and your family in my prayers, may he be safe and return home soon.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:44 PM
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War is such a sad and ugly thing.

I am very much against middle east policies of Bush administration, but I would never take it out on a simple soldier, who went there to fight, genuinely convinced and with wish to HELP people there.

I am from Bosnia and I remember very well the foreign troups who came to Bosnia during the war to help us, risking their lives. I've talked with them on many occasions, they really genuinely had the wish to help us, regardless of their country's policies (which is this case were more of a quiet observer kinda thingy). They escorted humanitarian convoys, refugees, risking their lives.
The actions of such individuals deserve utmost respect.

I am sure that a lot of troups currently in Iraq are helping people the same way. Not all of them are like those who were torturing people in Abu Ghraib.
There are always those who act in a very inhuman way and who kill out of pleasure. But not all are like that.

One should always look at them as individuals and not generalize and indentify them all with policies of goverments.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by paperclip
War is such a sad and ugly thing.

I am very much against middle east policies of Bush administration, but I would never take it out on a simple soldier, who went there to fight, genuinely convinced and with wish to HELP people there.

I am from Bosnia and I remember very well the foreign troups who came to Bosnia during the war to help us, risking their lives. I've talked with them on many occasions, they really genuinely had the wish to help us, regardless of their country's policies (which is this case were more of a quiet observer kinda thingy). They escorted humanitarian convoys, refugees, risking their lives.
The actions of such individuals deserve utmost respect.

I am sure that a lot of troups currently in Iraq are helping people the same way. Not all of them are like those who were torturing people in Abu Ghraib.
There are always those who act in a very inhuman way and who kill out of pleasure. But not all are like that.

One should always look at them as individuals and not generalize and indentify them all with policies of goverments.

Thanks for the reply.

If you could share it, i would love to hear of your experiance with the troops, and what happened. Dont feel like i am pressuring you.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 03:01 PM
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I'm against the war in Iraq (although my point of view is more complicatied then that) but what I do support is our troops, often just out of school they fight with honour and I support what they are doing.
I hope they all return home to their families safely



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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Well, my exprerience is more a general chatter with people


During the war, the troops in Bosnia were multinational forces under UN command. They had a mandate to mainly observe the situation and protect the so-called "safe-zones", those were the cities under control of legaly elected bosnian goverment. They didn't, however, have a mandate to engage in offensive combat, only defensive if they are under attack.
They escorted humantiarian convoys on numerous occasions. ( they saved my uncle's life, btw, he was a truck driver and their convoy came under fire once)

I was in highschool back then. My knowledge of english language was quite good so I was a translator on several occasions, for example when they came to our school to give us our "packages", humantiarian aid rations.
They were just nice normal folk, who wanted to help those in need. They felt it is their duty to protect those who can't protect themselves and to help them. I got to know them as family people too, like parents waiting at home, or wife and kids, stories like that.
They had state of the art military equipment, but that was not really a protection when Serbs were shelling cities day and night. They risked their lives just like we did.

I always admired that, both soldiers and aid workers, civilians, who were in Bosnia at that time. I figured they had a nice comfy life back home, still they decided to give up on that for a while and come to a war zone.



posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 11:36 AM
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They were just nice normal folk, who wanted to help those in need. They felt it is their duty to protect those who can't protect themselves and to help them.





I edited your post, because this sentance says it all.



posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 11:42 AM
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Frankly Bikereddie I am shocked and angered at these people, I was thinking of writeing a big rant about how cowardly they are not to say this publically but I think its more cowardly to hide behind the shield of the internet.


My support goes to you and your son, and to all those over there.

Right on skippytjc , right on!




posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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While I am of the opinion that you cannot support soldiers if you don't support a war that they intentionally or not enlisted themselves to be in (I make an exception for conscripted soldiers), I would never make such highly personal attacks to anybody online or off for any reason including anti-war sentiment. Its a shame that people would do this on ATS, but this is the internet where opinions can and will be shot around with the highest degree of inflammatory intent.

[edit on 11-2-2005 by Frith]



posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Frith
While I am of the opinion that you cannot support soldiers if you don't support a war that they intentionally or not enlisted themselves to be in (I make an exeption for conscripted soldiers), I would never make such highly personal attacks to anybody online or off for any reason including anti-war sentiment. Its a shame that people would do this on ATS, but this is the internet where opinions can and will be shot around with the highest degree of inflammatory intent.


I am against this particular war. But I am not against all wars. But the people fighting this war are still my fellow countrymen. Our fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters, and kids. And we should always support them. If I had a brother over there right now, there is NOTHING that he could do that would lose my support for him. Not one of us knows that have not walked in thier shoes. And as long as I can say that I havent walked in those shoes, they will always get the benifit of the doubt.

Biker, as far as I know, your son is a super hero and should be regarded as such. Period! Dont let these armchair west haters get to you.



posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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Reckon i already let them get to me.

But hey, at least i got the support from the vast majority.

I have noticed that the people involved haven't posted anything to this thread. Maybe i have shamed them at last, along with all the support that this thread has got. Maybe they know what type of comments will follow any post they make?.

Glad to see and i really appreciate all the positive comments from people who i have got to know on ATS.

Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers



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