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Trump Attacks Mayor of San Juan and Accuses Puerto Ricans of Being Lazy

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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66




The economy of Puerto Rico, for those who are not accustomed to the sound-byte reality of Trumpism, is more complex than can be summarized in a post here.


In other words, you don't know.






posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: pavil

Well, I'm sure Trump's sticking the people of Puerto Rico with another failed golf course to the tune of 33 Million Dollars didn't help matters.

Glad you don't think Puerto Ricans are lazy though ... that puts you a slight notch above Trump, apparently.


Has the Puerto Rican Government been fiscally sound with their decisons Gryphon66? Would you want them running your State or City? I've seen incompetent Governance up close.....it's not pretty.

What's your solution to help PR?


The economy of Puerto Rico, for those who are not accustomed to the sound-byte reality of Trumpism, is more complex than can be summarized in a post here.

Did bad government decisions lead to hurricane devastation? If not, your point, in this discussion is superfluous at best.



Lol. Wouldn't want you giving your own opinion now, would we?

So an Island smack dab in Hurricane Alley didn't have a comprehensive plan to deal with a Hurricane? That falls squarely on the elected officials of said Island. Face it, most elected officials in PR were woefully unprepared for what was an eventual thing to happen; a direct hit from a big Hurricane.

I feel bad for PR, they are fellow Americans. At the same time the Government of PR seem pretty incompetent and I have no qualms in pointing that out.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Gryphon66




The economy of Puerto Rico, for those who are not accustomed to the sound-byte reality of Trumpism, is more complex than can be summarized in a post here.


In other words, you don't know.




They "can't be bothered" going in any detail. Trump supporters probably couldn't even comprehend. Gryphon66's detailed analysis of PR economy.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: MountainLaurel

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth




Confirmed by FEMA


Citation please!



Other mayors have been getting there from across the island to attend


Not only are other Mayors managing to attend the meetings, they are reporting that there are passable roads into their areas and asking why no donations are getting through ?



Makes sense to me...

"We have food and water - Please take them to the people"!

- "Our roads are blocked.. We have no drivers.. We have no way to get them.. Why are you asking us here"!!
(We dont need your stinking food!)

"We have donations..."

- "WHY are you not bringing them to us!! We have open roads!! How dare you not giving us what we need"!

Yep.. Pretty much sums it up to me.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: pavil

What are they supposed to do? Hitch up the magic unicorns and drag the island elsewhere?

I edited my last post to offer some viable solutions:




Solutions: Let's start by making Puerto Rico a full US State as they've petitioned for years which would allow them bankruptcy protection.

Let's stop with the economic manipulation like jerking around their ability to sell bonds which is a large component of their economic problems.

IF not statehood, at least Congress can grant them bankruptcy and other protections so that progress can be made toward a solution not more blame.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Gryphon66




The economy of Puerto Rico, for those who are not accustomed to the sound-byte reality of Trumpism, is more complex than can be summarized in a post here.


In other words, you don't know.




Have I ever pretended to be a specialist in international economics?

I've given some ideas ... which is 100% more than your silly sniping from the sidelines.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: OccamsRazor04


Responsive?

Lot's of talk and meetings, yet very little distribution.


Nelson M. Rosario @NelsonMRosario
"There's a medical center down here, and everyone that was in the Intensive Care Unit, died. Everyone. That's just one detail." 4/
1:09 PM - Sep 30, 2017
www.dailykos.com...[ /ex]

Gotta love Trump's "beautiful Red Tape" to protect "business interests".





And that's somehow Trump's fault. I think their local government is more to blame. Those lazy assed politicians... Their pockets come first. And no... Our military has NO jurisdiction there. Federal laws are against it! National Guard for that "state" does, however. Guess what... Most aren't even helping. Those lazy bastards didn't even show up for work.




edit on 1-10-2017 by StallionDuck because: dunno why my response is part of the quote



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Gryphon66

the problem is he is an idiot. Now what has he not done you think he should have done?


I've stated my issue already. He should not have made public statements demeaning and insulting our fellow Americans who are in the midst of dealing with tragedy.


Then your issue is irrelevant because Trump called out your fellow Americans who are NOT in the midst of dealing with the tragedy, when they SHOULD be.


You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "irrelevant."

My fellow Americans in this case are the three million or so residents of Puerto Rico whom Mr. Trump demeaned and insulted in a public statement.

I'm content, as noted, if Trump will keep his mouth shut and get out of the way so that qualified people in the Administration and in Puerto Rico can get real work done on relief.

You keep spritzing that pile with rose-hips though.


Sigh, except he didn't call out all PR's, only the ones not doing their jobs to help. Hence, your issue is irrelevant.


It's great you can read Tweetie's mind isn't it? What he said is on the record.


Probably better than you reading Trump's mind. After all, you're rearranging words and meanings to suit your argument.

Why not break it down for me. I have much earlier in this thread to show that Trump said nothing about the "people" but only about the local government of PR who were sitting on their hands while people starved.

I think you share their agenda.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Gryphon66

the problem is he is an idiot. Now what has he not done you think he should have done?


I've stated my issue already. He should not have made public statements demeaning and insulting our fellow Americans who are in the midst of dealing with tragedy.


Then your issue is irrelevant because Trump called out your fellow Americans who are NOT in the midst of dealing with the tragedy, when they SHOULD be.


You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "irrelevant."

My fellow Americans in this case are the three million or so residents of Puerto Rico whom Mr. Trump demeaned and insulted in a public statement.

I'm content, as noted, if Trump will keep his mouth shut and get out of the way so that qualified people in the Administration and in Puerto Rico can get real work done on relief.

You keep spritzing that pile with rose-hips though.


Sigh, except he didn't call out all PR's, only the ones not doing their jobs to help. Hence, your issue is irrelevant.


It's great you can read Tweetie's mind isn't it? What he said is on the record.


Probably better than you reading Trump's mind. After all, you're rearranging words and meanings to suit your argument.

Why not break it down for me. I have much earlier in this thread to show that Trump said nothing about the "people" but only about the local government of PR who were sitting on their hands while people starved.

I think you share their agenda.


Rearranging words? WTF? Care to give an actual example, Ducky?

You posted your opinion in contrast to the OP's. That's all you've done so far ... counter opinions with more opinions.

If you get some facts together, let me know and we'll take a look.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: pavil

What are they supposed to do? Hitch up the magic unicorns and drag the island elsewhere?

I edited my last post to offer some viable solutions:




Solutions: Let's start by making Puerto Rico a full US State as they've petitioned for years which would allow them bankruptcy protection.

Let's stop with the economic manipulation like jerking around their ability to sell bonds which is a large component of their economic problems.

IF not statehood, at least Congress can grant them bankruptcy and other protections so that progress can be made toward a solution not more blame.


A place like PR should have had a much better plan to deal with a direct hit from a big Hurricane. I can fault FEMA for a lack of that as well . That's not a pie in the sky request from an Island in the Caribbean. What exactly was/is their plan?

"We" can't make them a State till Puerto Rico really pulls the trigger. They talk about Statehood and Independence at the same time and then decide they like their Commonwealth status it seems. Time for them to decide. I would welcome them as our newest State, even if it means a ton of effort .

PR needs to go into receivership. It's pretty evident that the people who dug the hole shouldn't be the same people to fix the hole. Just being honest.

I'm pretty sure their ability to not raise bonds has to do with their lack of ability to pay off on said bonds. The financial markets aren't dummies.
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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66




I've given some ideas ...


......in essence?



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: face23785

"Most Americans"? Like the 55+% of Americans that disapprove of Trump's performance as President?

How do you define most again?





Because our election model is based around equal representation for STATES, it is clear the majority elected President Trump. A single city center with 1,000,000 residents shouldn't have a vote equal to 10 cities with 100,000 residents. Instead, our system ensures it receives equal input (with even certain areas, like CA/NY, being awarded considerably more electoral votes than the other states).

The election was fair and free.


Our election model is based on the States' Electors Votes which are based on the POPULAR VOTE in the State (except for Maine and Nebraska).

Do you understand how the Electoral College works? Apparently not. There's no "equal representation" for States, the Electors are mostly based on Congressional Districts/Representation in the House and ... guess what .. .that's based on POPULATION. Most States have 3 or 4 Electors. Others have far more ... again BASED ON POPULATION. THat's the way the Framers intended it.

The Presidency is a nationally elected office. The President represents all Americans, and their votes, like or not, count.

You're either massively wrong or blatantly dishonest. Trump got 46% of the vote. He came in second. His Electoral College win is the 47th worst in American history, and depended on about 70K votes in four States.

So tell me, in your concept of fairness, why 70K votes determined the matter when 54% of Americans voted for someone else?
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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Gryphon66




I've given some ideas ...


......in essence?


You are obsessed aren't you. Always good to hear from a fan; I'm ignoring the sniping for your own good. Shoo.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:52 PM
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a reply to: pavil

You're an expert in tropical hurricane preparedness then? Somehow I don't think so.

You need to do some research. The People of Puerto Rico have voted for Statehood in the last five Referendums the last by 97%. It is the US Congress that has killed two bills starting the process.

You have an opinion about what should happen. I've given mine. I think we're done, yes?



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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Gryphon66

the problem is he is an idiot. Now what has he not done you think he should have done?


I've stated my issue already. He should not have made public statements demeaning and insulting our fellow Americans who are in the midst of dealing with tragedy.


Then your issue is irrelevant because Trump called out your fellow Americans who are NOT in the midst of dealing with the tragedy, when they SHOULD be.


You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "irrelevant."

My fellow Americans in this case are the three million or so residents of Puerto Rico whom Mr. Trump demeaned and insulted in a public statement.

I'm content, as noted, if Trump will keep his mouth shut and get out of the way so that qualified people in the Administration and in Puerto Rico can get real work done on relief.

You keep spritzing that pile with rose-hips though.


Sigh, except he didn't call out all PR's, only the ones not doing their jobs to help. Hence, your issue is irrelevant.


It's great you can read Tweetie's mind isn't it? What he said is on the record.


Probably better than you reading Trump's mind. After all, you're rearranging words and meanings to suit your argument.

Why not break it down for me. I have much earlier in this thread to show that Trump said nothing about the "people" but only about the local government of PR who were sitting on their hands while people starved.

I think you share their agenda.


Rearranging words? WTF? Care to give an actual example, Ducky?

You posted your opinion in contrast to the OP's. That's all you've done so far ... counter opinions with more opinions.

If you get some facts together, let me know and we'll take a look.


I pointed out quite clearly how Trumps tweets says nothing about the people of PR being lazy. It was directed at the mayor and the workers.

You say that Trump is calling the people of PR lazy. So I'm asking you to break it down. Apparently we're reading different tweets or you're just not comprehending what is actually written.


It's hilarious that you follow up with the old 'why dont you show me what you want me to show you show me show you...' bit. But I humored you.

Yeah Man... It's totally comprehension issues. That response was proof of it. I totally understand now.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 04:57 PM
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You pointed out your interpretation of what Trump said. Pretty obviously, not everyone shares your opinion.

I realize that seems difficult for you to accept.

Lazy? That's really OP's term although I may have repeated that rhetorically.

More accurately, I would say that Mr. Trump is reacting personally, not Presidentially, to the question of disaster recovery. Thank god there are qualified people like Kelly and Mattis in the Administration.

As to your prattle about showing me something ... you apparently don't understand the difference between your beliefs and actual facts. I want to give you the opportunity to step up the level of your argument and offer something real.

Instead, you're still prattling on. /shrug



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: StallionDuck

You pointed out your interpretation of what Trump said. Pretty obviously, not everyone shares your opinion.

I realize that seems difficult for you to accept.

Lazy? That's really OP's term although I may have repeated that rhetorically.

More accurately, I would say that Mr. Trump is reacting personally, not Presidentially, to the question of disaster recovery. Thank god there are qualified people like Kelly and Mattis in the Administration.

As to your prattle about showing me something ... you apparently don't understand the difference between your beliefs and actual facts. I want to give you the opportunity to step up the level of your argument and offer something real.

Instead, you're still prattling on. /shrug



Then break it down. It's not an opinion... It's fact. Anyone with an understanding, a reading comprehension can plainly see this. I broke it down. I pointed it out. Now you do it and see how it comes out and I'll show you where you're mistaken. No one refuted my point and how I broke it down. The only this refuted was my calling the mayor a HIM instead of a HER which someone made the whole point irreverent? That's just someone hiding and not facing the facts.

Are you going to do the same?

So show me your "facts".



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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Now you're appealing to your own authority. LOL.

"Anyone can see that I'm right."

You just can't conceive that all of us don't agree with your Trump apologetics.

I read just fine Ducky. What I'm reading is that you can't accept that you've been called on your crap.

Most people didn't "refute" your opinions because, well, they're opinions. Not logical or based on facts.

Show you my facts about what? Your opinions? Read your posts; find anything that isn't purely subjective interpretation on your part.

Start there. Or not.

Not's really good with me too. Your argumentation style is circuitous.
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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 05:10 PM
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You are obsessed aren't you.


No but I think everyone here can see who the obsessed one is.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 05:11 PM
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No, it's what the English language says.


Such poor leadership ability by the mayor of San Juan


Unless everyone in PR is a leader he clearly is talking about ... the leaders, who want the Federal government to do it all.



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