I'd Guess maybe 5 Percent of those who watch the NFL stand for the Anthem. The hypocrisy is HUGE

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Nope I never said that. A bit of hysteria and hyperbole from the Left Wing coming from you though. I'm just pointing out the difference between a tradition and some SJW activism.

you know what else used to be tradition?

segregation

Oh for crying out loud what silly hyperbole and completely meaningless. Having cake and toasting a bride and groom are also traditions. Are you going to cr$@ on that too?

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Free expression is a fascist concept?
Since when?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh for crying out loud what silly hyperbole and completely meaningless. Having cake and toasting a bride and groom are also traditions. Are you going to cr$@ on that too?

lol... now who's engaging in silly hyperbole

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Nope I never said that. A bit of hysteria and hyperbole from the Left Wing coming from you though. I'm just pointing out the difference between a tradition and some SJW activism.

you know what else used to be tradition?

segregation

Oh for crying out loud what silly hyperbole and completely meaningless. Having cake and toasting a bride and groom are also traditions. Are you going to cr$@ on that too? But you know that what cultural
Marxists do...they cr$& on our moral fiber and cultural traditions and replace with vulgarity.

edit on 29-9-2017 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Some people in other countries see the American flag as a sign of war and oppression.

My point is the flag can mean different things to different people, who is anyone to tell someone else what they should believe something represents?

Just because some dude a few hundred years ago said the flag represents "this" does not mean that everyone believes the same or should. If you want to dictate to others what they should believe then that makes you a dictator. Do you want to be seen as a dictator?

way to jump straight to a false dichotomy. according to the logic used in that statement your basically giving free reign to pure anarchy where anything and everything goes since everyones existence is unique to them and each thing in their life has a unique meaning. this opens up the door to infinity and beyond for any and all cases where someone wants to claim something opressed them and who are u to claim otherwise since anything can be perceived in any way

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
what's a 'cultural marxist', please?

originally posted by: fiverx313
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
what's a 'cultural marxist', please?

A Marxist who attempts to destroy the values and cultural traditions of countries and peoples to make it easier to take over. The end game is to bring socialism/communism.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

And, as everyone knows, promoting free expression is the first step toward socialism/communism.

Oh, wait. I meant to say suppression thereof.

Fire the SOB. Right?


Wonderful "tradition" that can't withstand a kneeling athlete. Strong tradition. Really strong. Bigly strong.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
A Marxist who attempts to destroy the values and cultural traditions of countries and peoples to make it easier to take over. The end game is to bring socialism/communism.

oh

are you calling me a cultural marxist?

a reply to: shawmanfromny

All I was asking was for you to prove this statement

the vast majority of vets, active servicemen and women are outraged that people are disrespecting our flag

Both sides are using veterans and active military members as a political football (no pun intended) to try and prove their side is the only right side. I'm not debating which side is right or wrong, I just want to see sources when bold claims are made.

originally posted by: FraggleRock
a reply to: shawmanfromny

All I was asking was for you to prove this statement

the vast majority of vets, active servicemen and women are outraged that people are disrespecting our flag

Both sides are using veterans and active military members as a political football (no pun intended) to try and prove their side is the only right side. I'm not debating which side is right or wrong, I just want to see sources when bold claims are made.

i can give u one source. my uncle who was a career submariner and officer. hes offended by the kneeling.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Free expression is a fascist concept?
Since when?

Fascism has its roots as a left wing ideology. Goldberg explains it in his book. What we see happening today is that the SJW movements like Antifa and BLM
Are attempting to sway public opinion and create the change. It is curiously left wingers and these groups who have sought to quell free speech and stop conservatives. All they have to do is scream what racists everybody is for having any opinion different from their own totalitarian model. Just look at Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Ed Schultz, newsroom media of the Left ad nauseum all issuing statements that insist that everyone comply with their ideology then turn around and say it's all the conservatives doing this. Look at the purple shirted SEIU union thugs who crashed the Tea Party in St Louis and trashed some poor guy just selling stuff there.
So now we've got a bunch of people disrespecting the national anthem and anyone who objects to it becomes a fascist Nazi nationalist. You don't see that I guess.
Now it's just more protesting Trump. But the whole thing started with one guy saying he wouldn't stand for our country.
www.conservativebookclub.com...

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
A Marxist who attempts to destroy the values and cultural traditions of countries and peoples to make it easier to take over. The end game is to bring socialism/communism.

oh

are you calling me a cultural marxist?

Are you? Cultural Marxism works by getting unwitting people to support their ideals by clothing them is altruistic sounding ideals.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
A Marxist who attempts to destroy the values and cultural traditions of countries and peoples to make it easier to take over. The end game is to bring socialism/communism.

oh

are you calling me a cultural marxist?

Are you? Cultural Marxism works by getting unwitting people to support their ideals by clothing them in altruistic sounding ideals.

a reply to: TheScale

And I'm sure there are others as well. That's my point. Everywhere I look it seems that veterans are just as divided as everyone else. For example:

"Personally, I'm not offended by it," said Master Sgt. Pete Mayes, who is soon retiring after a 20-year career in the Army that's taken him from Washington, D.C., to Fort Campbell to Hawaii and Afghanistan.

Shea Jones, 38, a twice-deployed Marine from Nashville who now lives in Murfreesboro, said he is "all for the right to protest."

But Jones said what frustrates him is that protests like the ones taking place in the NFL have become veterans' issues when they never were veteran specific to begin with.

Kevin Ferrell, 53, a five-year Army veteran from Memphis, said he supports Kaepernick's initial cause, but since then "it's been totally blown out of proportion."

"As a soldier, that's not what I fought for and agreed to die for — for someone's rights to be dictated," Ferrell said.

Jarrin Jackson, a former Army officer and Ranger who deployed with the 101st Airborne Division and now lives in Oklahoma, said, "It doesn't bother (me) how people use their freedom."

But, he said, "People who kneel during the anthem (whether they know it or not) push an anti-America message."

SOURCE

“If I was their employer, I’d fire them,” Vietnam veteran Lloyd Loper of Belding told 24 Hour News 8 Monday.

On the other side of the argument is U.S. Air Force veteran Rick Cable of Caledonia:

“As a veteran I fought for their right to do that,” he said.

“I don’t think they should sit for the national anthem but as Americans, we have the right to do that if we want to do that,” Cable said. “I can’t say that I should criticize them for doing what I fought for them to be able to do if they want to do it.”

SOURCE

That's two sources I found with a quick Google search that talked to service members on both sides of the issue. I'm not seeing a "vast majority" on either side despite what some may claim. There are some who are not offended at all. There are those who may not approve but support the right they believe they fought to protect. And there are those who are offended by it.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Are you? Cultural Marxism works by getting unwitting people to support their ideals by clothing them is altruistic sounding ideals.

i don't fit the definition you gave, not being a marxist, trying to destroy the values of a country, or trying to bring about socialism and communism. perhaps you would rather think of me as an unwitting pawn of cultural marxists?

i was thinking of cultural marxist as my custom title, but i think unwitting pawn of cultural marxists might be a bit too long. pity.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

And, as everyone knows, promoting free expression is the first step toward socialism/communism.

Oh, wait. I meant to say suppression thereof.

Fire the SOB. Right?


Wonderful "tradition" that can't withstand a kneeling athlete. Strong tradition. Really strong. Bigly strong.

Trump just has no patience for this brand of activism. Mixing up this kind of activist protest is just making people mad because it has no place there. It's really fairly simple. People want to watch football not have self righteous altruism jammed down their throats.
This isn't about a posture of "kneeling", it's the intent behind it and the use of this particular tradition as a means of protest. People instinctively know it for what it is.

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Are you? Cultural Marxism works by getting unwitting people to support their ideals by clothing them is altruistic sounding ideals.

i don't fit the definition you gave, not being a marxist, trying to destroy the values of a country, or trying to bring about socialism and communism. perhaps you would rather think of me as an unwitting pawn of cultural marxists?

i was thinking of cultural marxist as my custom title, but i think unwitting pawn of cultural marxists might be a bit too long. pity.

Many people are unwitting pawns. I think many people in the Occupy movement were unwitting pawns as they felt they were really making a statement against the so called 1% when in fact it was radicals and leftist billionaires who were the organizers, such as Adbusters and a few others. Many people who spoke at those events actively asked for the ending of capitalism abd other Marxist goals. It's not hard to see.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Many people are unwitting pawns. I think many people in the Occupy movement were unwitting pawns as they felt they were really making a statement against the so called 1% when in fact it was radicals and leftist billionaires who were the organizers, such as Adbusters and a few others. Many people who spoke at those events actively asked for the ending of capitalism abd other Marxist goals. It's not hard to see.

you're truly a font of wisdom

originally posted by: fiverx313
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
what's a 'cultural marxist', please?

A fictitious BS concept originating in LaRouchean BS.

In the ideology of right-wing politics, the term Cultural Marxism identifies a conspiracy theory that portrays the critical-theory scholarship of the Frankfurt School as part of a continuing left-wing effort to destroy and replace Western culture.

further ...

The conspiracy-theory usage of the term originated in the essay “New Dark Age: Frankfurt School and ‘Political Correctness’ ” (1992), in which Michael Minnicino said that the Frankfurt School promoted Modernism in the arts, as a form of Cultural pessimism, and shaped the Counterculture of the 1960s (e.g The Beatles) in likeness to the Wandervogel (wandering bird) youth culture of the Ascona commune in the 19th century, in order to subvert the value system of Western civilization. Minnicino’s essay was published by the Schiller Institute, a branch organization of the LaRouche movement that promoted conspiracy-theory Cultural Marxism.

Source

If you pin them down, they start talking in tautological circles ... kind of like explaining that Nazis were socialists because that's in the name. (Which proponents also do.)