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I'd Guess maybe 5 Percent of those who watch the NFL stand for the Anthem. The hypocrisy is HUGE

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posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: UnBreakable

And it's rich how the opposite is equally as true. Funny how that works. Might be why this has become the "issue" it is, they keep serving up these subjective issues on a silver platter, so we'll argue and argue and argue while nothing is solved. Just dig those trenches deeper and deeper, it's the American way!


Yeah, the next thread is the timing of Trumps tweets and firing of his cabinet. It's all very convenient to keep people from actual issues.




posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Nyiah

Because the are in public with a large group of their fellow citizens.

But a packed sports bar is not a large group of their fellow citizens and thus no ritual warranted.

You folks make zero sense, it;s obvious flag & anthem etiquette necessity is HIGHLY subjective to you. You just won't admit it.


But it is etiquette. That’s the point, no matter what anyone thinks of the flag.

Would you take your shoes off at the Taj Mahal, even though you weren’t Muslim nor Indian?

It is selectively applied etiquette. If it's not necessary for a packed bar to display the etiquette, then you must concede it's not necessary elsewhere large groups of citizens have congregated. You are arguing that the etiquette is unconditional while giving solid examples that it is indeed conditional.
Make up your mind.


If others in the bar started standing and singing the national anthem, you’d be a buzz kill and not take part? What a buzz-kill.

You've avoided what I've pointed out quite well, kudos to the sidestepping attempt. You argue people must do so in a group setting, but bars don't count. If bars do not count, then why should anyone participate and why would anyone care if I did or didn't?


I also said it was etiquette and civic custom, something you’ve sidestepped.

But you said bars & the like don't count because:


originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ColoradoJens

It’s about doing it with others. The national anthem, and standing for it, is the last customary gesture that binds all the people of the country together. It’s simple etiquette.

So why don't people do it together at bars and homes?


Because they are not where the anthem is being played.


By your own admission, they're not where it's being played, so etiquette and civic customs are completely conditional. Or, in plain English, optional.


I was trying to explain the etiquette and custom part, something I still don’t think you understand. When we’re at sporting event, the anthem is being played and people are taking their hats off, we join them in that custom out of respect. It is also a good time to reflect on the lives lost in order to defend the country, and to honor them.


Even if you didn't take your hat off out of respect, there's a difference between passive non-participation and intentional protest and disrespect against.

That's too complicated for the OP though.


Is it? How about you? Do you stand in your home during the national anthem? What is the difference between "passive non-participation" and "intentional Protest" and why are you angry with our constitution? Selective outrage indeed.


if your looking for an actual comparison it would be akin to turning the tv off when the anthem comes on.


As opposed to kneeling during the anthem. So it's ok to turn off the tv but not kneel. Got it.



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
a reply to: MysticPearl


This is about the National Anthem and why so many who don't stand when it plays demand the players who don't stand get fired. It's about your hypocrisy, nothing else.


Where did I demand anyone get fired? I've said nothing like that. They can kneel as long as their employer allows it.



My bad. It was Trump who said it. I take it back.


My opinion is players can kneel as long as the NFL allows it. And fans can complain about it or take their money elsewhere. Free market. Don't like it, spend your time and money elsewhere.



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:44 PM
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a reply to: MysticPearl

If they really cared about free speech, they would support our right to disagree with the football players taking the knee.





posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I don't allow anyone to wear a hat indoors in my house.


Taking your hat off indoors was a goofy European custom that they brow beat us into accepting. Prior to that bad ass Americans even wore hats in Congress.

Signed,
Hat Guy


I'm going be honest...
I left the stands once before the national anthem was played and went in to the concourse to get a hot dog because my hair was hooked up under my hat.
I didn't want to take my hat off, and I didn't want to be disrespectful.

Now that that's off my chest, I feel a little better.



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: MysticPearl

If they really cared about free speech, they would support our right to disagree with the football players taking the knee.




Who doesn't?

Do you not support our right to disagree with your disagreement?



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:45 PM
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posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't think anyone is against your right to disagree, we're just against people wanting to punish those who exercise their God given rights.



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: yadda333

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
I'd say many of the players in the NFL are very equipped to have the discussion.


Most of the general population is not well equipped to have this discussion. Taking a few undergrad classes in race and gender studies, postcolonialism, etc does not mean you are well equipped.

And maybe that's the problem: A small amount of education and a whole lotta misapplication.


Well, I'd say growing up in extreme poverty as a black man gives them insight you or I may not have.


Interesting how you just put all of them in a nice, tidy little box. What gives you the right to assume that the black protesters grew up in poverty? And what about the other protesters?

Since when did humans lose their right to be an individual and have a unique, individual perspective?

This is the problem. There's not enough critical thinking going on.



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: ColoradoJens
This manufactured outrage is so sad, it exposes so much hypocrisy.

The majority of people watch the game on TV. How many of you who are so outraged stand, take off your hat, and put your hand over your heart in your living room when it is played? I'd say a small minority.

If the anthem is not played on TV, are you outraged and feel the need to contact the TV networks? Are you angry when the anthem is not played at a concert or a play? Is your outrage selective like that?

I've been around a lot of football fans, both sides of the political spectrum and in 25 years have never once seen someone stand unless they are at the game. And at the game you'll notice a lot of empty seats as fans use the time to get beer and food and go to the bathroom.

Bars? Never. Even for the Super Bowl - usually people say like "Come ON! Get on with it! This is too taking too long!"

People really do like the war planes that fly over, and they love the Navy parachute guys, I'll say that.

But seriously, have you been doing your civic duty and been standing for the anthem, say when you are out shopping and the game is on tv at best buy? Do you report the employees that keep selling TV's during the Anthem? Why not? SHouldn't they be fired for ignoring it?

Do you stand in your home? If no, you need to look in a mirror and ask why you are such a blatant liar with your feelings. That is unless you never thought about it before, which I would surmise comprises 90% of you or more.
And you probably think you have a legitimate beef...When you see all those people at the bars or the grocery stores get down on a knee when they hear the Star Spangled Banner being played on tv in protest of our Country, c'mon back...Until then, you're just wasting bandwidth...



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: MysticPearl

If they really cared about free speech, they would support our right to disagree with the football players taking the knee.




Who doesn't?

Do you not support our right to disagree with your disagreement?


I haven't tried to silence you nor to change your view with inane threads pointing out your hypocrisy.




posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: ColoradoJens
a reply to: TheScale

So what is your conclusion?


its a bunch of bs. u have people complaining about rights while not understanding rights. they want to protect one parties rights while stepping all over another parties rights and in the end it has nothing to do with rights cause none have been infringed on in any way relating to this protest. its a bunch of pansies getting bent out of shape cause they were told to by the media



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Could someone show me the US law that requires someone to stand indoors during the playing of the national anthem?


Could someone show me the US law that requires someone to stand outdoors during the playin of the National Anthem?



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: MysticPearl

If they really cared about free speech, they would support our right to disagree with the football players taking the knee.




The desire to gain respect, by being disrespectful, is illogical to the extreme.



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: ColoradoJens



As opposed to kneeling during the anthem. So it's ok to turn off the tv but not kneel. Got it.


Hope it's not like one of those TV's in the novel 1984 that is always watching you and that you can't turn off.

Then you better stand.



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't think anyone is against your right to disagree, we're just against people wanting to punish those who exercise their God given rights.


I agree - it's also about how selective the argument is. You really can make up any reason to be angry these days.



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't think anyone is against your right to disagree, we're just against people wanting to punish those who exercise their God given rights.


Funny.

People wanted to punish Kathy Griffin, that Missouri state senator, the KKK, etc because "words have consequences".




posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:50 PM
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originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ColoradoJens

It’s about doing it with others. The national anthem, and standing for it, is the last customary gesture that binds all the people of the country together. It’s simple etiquette.

So why don't people do it together at bars and homes?


Because they are not where the anthem is being played.

The anthem is being played on TVs.
The point is the fake outrage. If people are so outraged about the players not standing then why are they not doing it at bars and homes? Isn't that being disrespectful to the flag?


No.

In the same way the players were not being disrespectful to the flag.


Is masturbating to the Flag being disrespectful? Some people probably do that, you know. I bet there are people who even masturbate with Old Glory wrapped around da pole.



Good lord. No need to project.


I permission needed? My God..What happened to "free speech" in this country?!



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: SolAquarius

originally posted by: ColoradoJens



As opposed to kneeling during the anthem. So it's ok to turn off the tv but not kneel. Got it.


Hope it's not like one of those TV's in the novel 1984 that is always watching you and that you can't turn off.

Then you better stand.


It's coming if these loons have their way. Not wearing your "Make America Great" lapel? 1 year prison.
Not praising dear leader enough? 1 year prison. Neighbors telling on you because your flag isn't big enough? 1 year in prison for you and 6 months for them for not notifying the security apparatus fast enough.




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